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Let it go? Why is it that important to you whether you get up or down-voted? There's no consequence. You don't lose posting privileges, you don't get banned, you are still able to use the forum in the same manner as everyone else. It's a non-issue and you're just allowing it to get under your skin. Opinions are fine and dandy, but you can't expect everyone to agree with yours as everyone is entitled to their own. And guess what, they don't have be vocal about it, nor should they be required to give you an explanation for your satisfaction. I don't remember this system ever being a problem until our recent influx of members from another forum. We've had this system for far longer than that, without complaints. Now, a select few of you are making a fuss about nothing. If you don't like the system and how things work, there are thousands of other forums for you to choose from. HA! And I got downvoted for that as well... Like...we all want to behave like adults...yet we downvote yet another valid opinion...like babies... I mean...who did not like my point of view? Like...I mean..we downvote like children just because an opinion was expressed? Yes that bothers me... I was NOT trolling... I did not like what YOU had to say...did I downvote you? Even when you kindly told me to leave your forum... This makes 2-3 people that told me to leave this forum...even when I post MY opinions...sure with a certain style that is kinda in your face sometimes...but sometimes with flamboyant pics... OK...I got the message... Have a nice life guys... I leave...

We post more nice vehicles. That's what.

I WANT disagreement. Problem is....there are some people that just downvote...WITHOUT explanation... Personally, if that person just does NOT agree with what I have to say enough to downvote me...I expect a reason as to why he would waste enough energy reading my post and then downvoting it... There is an ignore feature in the forums, right? Just ignore what I have to say if what I have to say bothers you that you have to not like it...seems stupid to me in today's society where we dont like an opinion because its different only to downvote it because we dont like it... So as to downvote in spite...is kinda stupid...therefore THAT does not belong in an internet forum...n'est ce pas? We DONT need to agree with each other. But that also means we should also DISCUSS... That is also called trolling...something that is not wanted by me on ANY forum... That would be from whatever angle... One angle is when someone says preposterous thngs JUST to rile someone...just to feel accomplished... The other angle would be the person just downvoting JUST to rile someone's feathers... Both angles are TROLLING... Both angles dont add much to ANY conversation...so what is the point in having a discussion then? I am happy with the downvoting system...it keeps trolls at bay. What I dont like is when an honest to goodness opinion gets downvoted...and THAT is fine too...but when an honest to goodness opinion gets downvoted...explanations are in order...because at the end of the day...we are ALL entitled to an opinion... How effin pretentious is it when I offer an opinion and it gets downvoted because the person downvoting does not like what I have to say? Add insult to injury...no reason is given... You dont see how effed up THAT is?

Seeing a Karma in person for the first time about 3 years ago left me in awe. My jaw dropped and stayed that way for the duration of the time the car left my eye sight. No MODERN car since the 1980s all the way to today EVER did that. No Ferrari, no Lamborghini, no millennial Aston Martins...and Aston Martins are gorgeous. Nothing. The Fisker is a wildly sexy car. OK...maybe a Countach 5000 Quatrovalvole and a R33 Skyline. In my defense for the sake of this post....I was a teenager when I saw that Countach in the 1980s...that is like seeing Heather Thomas live in the flesh...and we all know that boys my age in the 1980s had a Heather Thomas poster on his bedroom wall and a Countach... and the R33 Skyline is kinda like the forbidden fruit....

Very much an East Coast Problem as the West Coast uses Hydro. Very green for us. Not an entirety an East Coast problem. Quebec is all Hydro. and Hydro-Quebec supplies electricity for Up State New York, Maine, Vermont and some parts of Massachusetts. The only problem with Quebec and electric cars is that the charging stations network should be more elaborate than what already is...but its growing fast as Quebecois are seriously buying into this market. Teslas are everywhere. Volts too. Fusion electric and Sonatas are gaining steam. The Leaf....not so much. The new Gen Volt and Tesla Model X should really take Quebec into another level. Then there is the Bolt. I figure...as the Buick Encore is quite popular...that the Tesla Model X and Bolt will be the winners in Quebec when they will finally be offered. Why do I assume this while giving the Encore as an example? Because the Encore is sold as a premium urban vehicle as opposed to the Trax..the Chevy is not as popular as its Buick counterpart. The Model S is quite popular and "upscale" So...because the Encore is CUV...so is the Model X...and the Encore is a small "urban" vehicle...so is the Bolt... People that have the money to buy Model X they buy th Model X and those that want an affordable urban vehicle will buy the Bolt... Which makes me wnder why doesnt GM do a Trax like CUV that is like the Volt? I bet a Volt based Trax would sell far more than the Volt itself.

Lions and Tigers and Bears... OH MY!!!

http://auto.lapresse.ca/actualites/volkswagen/201510/02/01-4905922-volkswagen-rachete-les-modeles-diesel.php Dans la foulée du scandale des émissions polluantes dévoilé il y a 15 jours, le Groupe Volkswagen propose à ses clients dont les modèles diesel sont visés par la tricherie de racheter leur véhicule contre l'achat d'une voiture à essence, avec un rabais de 2000 $ à la clé, a appris La Presse. Si le constructeur allemand ne s'est toujours pas prononcé sur un éventuel rappel des véhicules visés, il a par contre décidé de carrément les racheter. Depuis cette semaine, il est en effet possible de revendre à un concessionnaire Volkswagen son véhicule diesel TDI doté du moteur 2 L pour racheter un véhicule neuf à essence. Dans un clavardage avec un vendeur d'un concessionnaire Volkswagen de l'île de Montréal, La Presse s'est fait confirmer que cette offre «s'applique aux propriétaires de véhicules Volkswagen 2 litres TDI 2009 à 2015 et qui veulent passer à un moteur à essence». Ce sont ces modèles qui ont été montrés du doigt la semaine dernière par l'Environmental Protection Agency aux États-Unis. From La Presse...a Montreal French Newspaper TRANSLATION: In the wake of the scandal of 15 days ago, Volkswagen AG offers its customers a buy back for their diesel VW and a discount of $ 2,000 on a gasoline VW, learned La Presse. Since this week, it is possible to resell your 2L diesel car at a Volkswagen dealer's to buy a new gasoline vehicle In a chat with a salesperson of a Volkswagen dealer on the island of Montreal, La Presse has confirmed that the offer "applies to vehicle owners with Volkswagen 2-liter TDI from 2009 to 2015 and want to switch to a gasoline motor ". It is these TDI models that were singled out last week by the Environmental Protection Agency in the United States. That would be in Montreal....I dont know hw it is in your neck of the woods...but in mine...this is the news... For those that are actually interested in living in reality and not in some bubble... And do you folk know what that means? Its that if VW fixes these TDIs to where they are supposed to be...which is to run clean...but crappy...because THAT is how the TDI product from VW SHOULD have been in the first place...well...reality is that VW's TDI product that runs clean and within the law...is shyte... For those that ike their VW product the way it...and DONT WANT THAT fix...be prepared to NOT BEING ABLE TO DRIVE IT as its NOT LEGAL!!! If you folk have a hard time with that... DEAL WITH IT... You are all adults...sometimes life sucks...and its the stupid greedy VW AG CEOs that you have to thank in THIS case... DEAL WITH IT!!!

They pollute... Sorry.

So...the owners of Veedubs are gonna blame the lawyers for their faulty car? Or should the owners of faulty VeeDub cars be really blaming VW AG? 'Cause Im confused with how some of you folk wanna spin this? And what about the countries? I guess Americans should be blaming the EPA and their government for having high standards for clean air... Because...after all....'twas Obama and Bush and Harper and Al Gore and Angela Merkel and what the helll...Ronald Reagan that made these VW AG CEOs circumvent and cheat American clean air laws as well as the European clean air acts... What a psycho way of thought you folk have... But then again...I kinda have figured out OCNBLU...he is one sarcastic dude...maybe its his sarcastic way that he is posting in defence of VW... Whatever....enjoy your VW Diesel...just remember that if VW does not get it fixed...it will be off the streets....because it shoudnt be on it in the first place...and if it runs crappy...gt yourself a lawyer so VW can buy it off you... You know...THAT is an option...that your thoughtless government could actually force upon VW...

And really, THAT is the irony... You calling my posts rants, yet as the world is unfolding with this VW mess, it seems like YOU are the one ranting...

ITS OK Hyper.... I have countered all points you have to make.. Whatever you say...rings false with the proof I give...with links... Alternate reality you have...

Like I said...if the government is NOT strict and NOT careful...slick a-hole CEOs take advantage of loop holes and indiscretions and take advantage... Sometimes greedy politicians are in cahoots with greedy CEOs...yet you only want to expose the government part...and give a free pass on the CEO part... TSK TSK TSK...

You talk about how the EPA will differ from Germany? HA!!! Europe does not even test properly... http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/03cdb23a-6758-11e5-a57f-21b88f7d973f.html#axzz3ndV0NABj The Volkswagen scandal has exposed failures by the European Commission and several of the EU’s national regulators to enforce legislation outlawing the defeat devices used by the German carmaker to cheat in diesel vehicle emissions tests. The Financial Times contacted the national regulators responsible for vehicle certification in seven of Europe’s biggest carmaking countries to ask whether they had ever conducted inspections for defeat devices since the European Commission declared them illegal in 2007. Germany, Spain, Slovakia and the Czech Republic said that they had not done so. Britain and France were unable to comment. Only Italy said that it had carried out some inspections. Europe’s failure to crackdown on software-based defeat devices is triggering calls by some politicians for a US-style regulator to police exhaust fumes. The EU’s weak regulatory regime around certification of new cars allows carmakers to shop around country by country and choose the national regulator that will approve vehicles through testing. That regulator’s decision is then applied across the EU’s 28 member states. Some politicians are concerned these arrangements enable carmakers to seek out the most lenient national certification regime. Politicians are particularly worried about potential conflicts of interest arising from how the carmakers pay for the certification work. They say these payments create an incentive for national regulators — or the private companies often tasked with doing the work — to grant approvals too easily. “The problem is the system we have created in the EU, where there seems to be a very perverse incentive for national testing authorities to be as easy-going as possible to attract [car companies],” said Gerben-Jan Gerbrandy, a Dutch member of the European Parliament’s environmental committee. Mr Gerbrandy is calling for the European Commission to have sweeping new powers to conduct intrusive vehicle inspections. The revelations about VW are an acute embarrassment for EU policymakers, who have been compelled to ask why it took the Environmental Protection Agency, a US regulator, to expose defeat devices. The German authorities said they only had a mandate to oversee the current EU framework on NOx emissions through laboratory tests, and could not conduct their own on-the-road monitoring. A significant discrepancy in a car’s NOx emissions during laboratory and subsequent on the road tests would point to the use of a defeat device — something the EPA identified with VW in the US.

Hyper....you keep on harping on the government... It aint OVER regulations dude... Finally, you have come to admit VW commtied fraud...yet still refuse to call a spade a spade... Because you still have this fantasy to blame government... The government HAS to enforce tight regulations because greedy corporations are always trying to slip a fast one, trying to edge the envelope..... Boy...the way you tire of people calling out corporate greed, I tire of people 1. defending corporate greed 2. people that blame the government for everything that goes wrong... Its ironic....you probably hate on society that relies on government to help them yet you hate on the government that tries to help also... You think its NOT A BIG DEAL? Dude...its a freakin' criminal act of the highest degree regarding fraud, false advertisement and damaging the environment... Many European countries are on the offensive against VW AG...regarding consumer fraud and for damaging their environment...France, the Scandinavian countries, Italy, and Germany....lead by the UK. Yet YOU are quick to downplay it...and smile because you feel it was clever...like a joke... What do you think government is there for? If NOT to protect its people...(yet you probably think its a militia's job tp protect the people from the government) WHat about the environment? Who should be in charge to oversee crappy corporate CEOs that dont care for the environment? Please dont tell me you have faith in greedy CEOs.... You even admit that it was a clever thing for VW CEOs to circumvent... Clever in this case is CRIMINAL!!! WHAT is it that YOU dont UNDERSTAND that these laws are in place to MINIMIZE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT? Or do you think that these high EPA limits are there just for shytes and giggles and just to prevent CEOs from buying there next toy? Because THAT is how YOU sound like... YOU want to give free reign to fraudulent people like these VW CEOs? AND THIS IS NOT HAPPENING FROM THE USA like YOU are trying to make it as Americans are leading these campaigns against VW AG... IT REALLY IS EUROPE!!!!

Im really not into this segment. But Ill play. Id choose the Fiesta ST. And it be like this. But that is already taken. I like to be unique. Chevy Bolt it is. Quebec is a very good place for electrics.

THAT would be GM...and the myriad of problems that GM had...which WAS bad communication between all the management levels and production and engineering and quality control...corporate greed was also a problem chez GM too... Now...VW...in THIS case...its NOT about communication breakdowns as BOSCH warned them that if they go on ahead with this software install, its downright fraud and criminal... Blind eyes and deaf ears does NOT qualify as communication breakdown....its corporate greed. Another blast from the past to lighten up the mood with another song that keeps with a theme of what was said. Communication Breakdown

To be fair...Im the one with the double standard by mentioning trucks. But yeah....semantics wont go far with that reality...banning diesels cars....we might as well ban pick-up trucks... But...this conversation that I have happened to start in this way is kinda dumb...and I dont feel good about it. Oh...I agree...its dumb what I said... Im definitely not on my "A" game tonight. It all started going downhill when I rubbed Scott the wrong way.

And I may have to flip flop again... Hey...If I was American...Mitt Romney...never mind... My real take on this... Yeah...because there are better solutions for passenger cars....diesels in cars should be nixed... That is my final answer. Only for cars though...Pick-up trucks...diesels could stay... Double standards...I know...I never said I was perfect. Like I said...I also have hidden agendas...

OK...since you put it that way...that limiting choice is not cool...then you just made me eat my words... I am many things. Unreasonable is NOT one of those things... II do agree that nuclear power plants in North America are built well....even Fukushima, like you said...earthquake AND tsunami...and its the fail safe mode that failed....but ever so slightly it failed...yo, TWO Acts of God back 2 back...not much engineers could do with that bad luck. Chernobyl and Three Mile Island...lessons were learned...and lessons ARE being respected.... Im just questioning Al Gore types in North America on how serious they really are in providing clean alternatives myself... The irony that I have flipped sides on this hidden agenda thing... I aint naive to what Hyper was insinuating...I just wanted to make sure that VW and this diesel mess...well...its FROM THEIR OWN DOING...not Al Gore types... VW just gave more fuel for Al Gore types to use...

I was questioning because I kinda insulted Scott Evans over a MT today...so I did not know how to take your post...since Scott was a tad sensitive...I became a tad sensitive too... OH well... And yeah...because I also feel that diesels in passenger cars really dont have anything to offer, in my opinion, just in case somebody else feels sensitive today, I also feel that diesel passenger cars aint worth the hassle in producing, buying and selling them...

And now...I can 100% agree with you. On all accounts. But...Al Gore types...in politics...are they really willing to commit to properly engineered and properly managed nuclear power plants? Its all about those hidden agendas I also was talking about earlier...unfortunately...they are everywhere, those hidden agendas. Including I. I just told you guys, ban them, keep them, it makes no difference to me...therefore, when Al Gore types target passenger diesel cars, I dont care enough to voice my opinion either for and most importantly against...other than on an internet forum.

Well... I do agree on most points. About passenger car diesels? I dont care really, what the government decides to do. Keep them. Ban them. Its all the same to me. But...coal powered stations and freight trains and trucks are actually NEEDED in the way are system works. There isnt any other viable alternative solutions. (depending what regions we are talking about...Quebec has many raging rivers and lakes...Hydro-electric power is where Im getting at...so...naturally, coal or nuclear aint exactly a thing here.) Coal powered electricity plants....nuclear reactors have to be built. Budget and nuclear waste storage have to be well thought of. Maybe that is more hassle than its worth. And its not as if nuclear power plants are without environmental issues. As far as transport diesels go...there is NO OTHER OPTION...we cant eliminate that... But...in a passenger car...I think we could live without it. Remember...I also said passenger cars.... Pick-up trucks for work is not part of this equation...pick-up trucks for work falls under the same category as freight and transport to me... Literally, passenger...cars. I 100% agree though...there is a time and place to bicker about VW...and this is not one of these times or places.

Greeks Bravo olds. Greeks are some of the smartest MoFo's I know. Has anyone in history come close to the many contributions we gave modern civilization, like: architecture philosophy democracy astronomy sports and olympics mathematics and geometry alarm clocks odometer even early medicine So everyone better listen when a Greek speaks Greeks are also one of the most sarcastic...on the other hand, regular American folk are one of the most sincerest folk... Is that you being Greek? Or is that you being American? That is the question for the ages... Well...in this here thread anyway. It dont matter....my moment in the sun regarding this topic is done. And thank-you if you are being American in that reply and well...hey...we're Greeks, we do what we do if you are being Greek...

^^^ And of course...that. But Id like to see DFELT's question answered about Bosch as well. Id like to see how far this goes. But if that text is legit and Bosch's warning was a TRUE warning and had no clue on how VW was using that software, then it seems like Bosch maybe in the clear...