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They pollute... Sorry.

So...the owners of Veedubs are gonna blame the lawyers for their faulty car? Or should the owners of faulty VeeDub cars be really blaming VW AG? 'Cause Im confused with how some of you folk wanna spin this? And what about the countries? I guess Americans should be blaming the EPA and their government for having high standards for clean air... Because...after all....'twas Obama and Bush and Harper and Al Gore and Angela Merkel and what the helll...Ronald Reagan that made these VW AG CEOs circumvent and cheat American clean air laws as well as the European clean air acts... What a psycho way of thought you folk have... But then again...I kinda have figured out OCNBLU...he is one sarcastic dude...maybe its his sarcastic way that he is posting in defence of VW... Whatever....enjoy your VW Diesel...just remember that if VW does not get it fixed...it will be off the streets....because it shoudnt be on it in the first place...and if it runs crappy...gt yourself a lawyer so VW can buy it off you... You know...THAT is an option...that your thoughtless government could actually force upon VW...

And really, THAT is the irony... You calling my posts rants, yet as the world is unfolding with this VW mess, it seems like YOU are the one ranting...

ITS OK Hyper.... I have countered all points you have to make.. Whatever you say...rings false with the proof I give...with links... Alternate reality you have...

Like I said...if the government is NOT strict and NOT careful...slick a-hole CEOs take advantage of loop holes and indiscretions and take advantage... Sometimes greedy politicians are in cahoots with greedy CEOs...yet you only want to expose the government part...and give a free pass on the CEO part... TSK TSK TSK...

You talk about how the EPA will differ from Germany? HA!!! Europe does not even test properly... http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/03cdb23a-6758-11e5-a57f-21b88f7d973f.html#axzz3ndV0NABj The Volkswagen scandal has exposed failures by the European Commission and several of the EU’s national regulators to enforce legislation outlawing the defeat devices used by the German carmaker to cheat in diesel vehicle emissions tests. The Financial Times contacted the national regulators responsible for vehicle certification in seven of Europe’s biggest carmaking countries to ask whether they had ever conducted inspections for defeat devices since the European Commission declared them illegal in 2007. Germany, Spain, Slovakia and the Czech Republic said that they had not done so. Britain and France were unable to comment. Only Italy said that it had carried out some inspections. Europe’s failure to crackdown on software-based defeat devices is triggering calls by some politicians for a US-style regulator to police exhaust fumes. The EU’s weak regulatory regime around certification of new cars allows carmakers to shop around country by country and choose the national regulator that will approve vehicles through testing. That regulator’s decision is then applied across the EU’s 28 member states. Some politicians are concerned these arrangements enable carmakers to seek out the most lenient national certification regime. Politicians are particularly worried about potential conflicts of interest arising from how the carmakers pay for the certification work. They say these payments create an incentive for national regulators — or the private companies often tasked with doing the work — to grant approvals too easily. “The problem is the system we have created in the EU, where there seems to be a very perverse incentive for national testing authorities to be as easy-going as possible to attract [car companies],” said Gerben-Jan Gerbrandy, a Dutch member of the European Parliament’s environmental committee. Mr Gerbrandy is calling for the European Commission to have sweeping new powers to conduct intrusive vehicle inspections. The revelations about VW are an acute embarrassment for EU policymakers, who have been compelled to ask why it took the Environmental Protection Agency, a US regulator, to expose defeat devices. The German authorities said they only had a mandate to oversee the current EU framework on NOx emissions through laboratory tests, and could not conduct their own on-the-road monitoring. A significant discrepancy in a car’s NOx emissions during laboratory and subsequent on the road tests would point to the use of a defeat device — something the EPA identified with VW in the US.

Hyper....you keep on harping on the government... It aint OVER regulations dude... Finally, you have come to admit VW commtied fraud...yet still refuse to call a spade a spade... Because you still have this fantasy to blame government... The government HAS to enforce tight regulations because greedy corporations are always trying to slip a fast one, trying to edge the envelope..... Boy...the way you tire of people calling out corporate greed, I tire of people 1. defending corporate greed 2. people that blame the government for everything that goes wrong... Its ironic....you probably hate on society that relies on government to help them yet you hate on the government that tries to help also... You think its NOT A BIG DEAL? Dude...its a freakin' criminal act of the highest degree regarding fraud, false advertisement and damaging the environment... Many European countries are on the offensive against VW AG...regarding consumer fraud and for damaging their environment...France, the Scandinavian countries, Italy, and Germany....lead by the UK. Yet YOU are quick to downplay it...and smile because you feel it was clever...like a joke... What do you think government is there for? If NOT to protect its people...(yet you probably think its a militia's job tp protect the people from the government) WHat about the environment? Who should be in charge to oversee crappy corporate CEOs that dont care for the environment? Please dont tell me you have faith in greedy CEOs.... You even admit that it was a clever thing for VW CEOs to circumvent... Clever in this case is CRIMINAL!!! WHAT is it that YOU dont UNDERSTAND that these laws are in place to MINIMIZE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT? Or do you think that these high EPA limits are there just for shytes and giggles and just to prevent CEOs from buying there next toy? Because THAT is how YOU sound like... YOU want to give free reign to fraudulent people like these VW CEOs? AND THIS IS NOT HAPPENING FROM THE USA like YOU are trying to make it as Americans are leading these campaigns against VW AG... IT REALLY IS EUROPE!!!!

Im really not into this segment. But Ill play. Id choose the Fiesta ST. And it be like this. But that is already taken. I like to be unique. Chevy Bolt it is. Quebec is a very good place for electrics.

THAT would be GM...and the myriad of problems that GM had...which WAS bad communication between all the management levels and production and engineering and quality control...corporate greed was also a problem chez GM too... Now...VW...in THIS case...its NOT about communication breakdowns as BOSCH warned them that if they go on ahead with this software install, its downright fraud and criminal... Blind eyes and deaf ears does NOT qualify as communication breakdown....its corporate greed. Another blast from the past to lighten up the mood with another song that keeps with a theme of what was said. Communication Breakdown

To be fair...Im the one with the double standard by mentioning trucks. But yeah....semantics wont go far with that reality...banning diesels cars....we might as well ban pick-up trucks... But...this conversation that I have happened to start in this way is kinda dumb...and I dont feel good about it. Oh...I agree...its dumb what I said... Im definitely not on my "A" game tonight. It all started going downhill when I rubbed Scott the wrong way.

And I may have to flip flop again... Hey...If I was American...Mitt Romney...never mind... My real take on this... Yeah...because there are better solutions for passenger cars....diesels in cars should be nixed... That is my final answer. Only for cars though...Pick-up trucks...diesels could stay... Double standards...I know...I never said I was perfect. Like I said...I also have hidden agendas...

OK...since you put it that way...that limiting choice is not cool...then you just made me eat my words... I am many things. Unreasonable is NOT one of those things... II do agree that nuclear power plants in North America are built well....even Fukushima, like you said...earthquake AND tsunami...and its the fail safe mode that failed....but ever so slightly it failed...yo, TWO Acts of God back 2 back...not much engineers could do with that bad luck. Chernobyl and Three Mile Island...lessons were learned...and lessons ARE being respected.... Im just questioning Al Gore types in North America on how serious they really are in providing clean alternatives myself... The irony that I have flipped sides on this hidden agenda thing... I aint naive to what Hyper was insinuating...I just wanted to make sure that VW and this diesel mess...well...its FROM THEIR OWN DOING...not Al Gore types... VW just gave more fuel for Al Gore types to use...

I was questioning because I kinda insulted Scott Evans over a MT today...so I did not know how to take your post...since Scott was a tad sensitive...I became a tad sensitive too... OH well... And yeah...because I also feel that diesels in passenger cars really dont have anything to offer, in my opinion, just in case somebody else feels sensitive today, I also feel that diesel passenger cars aint worth the hassle in producing, buying and selling them...

And now...I can 100% agree with you. On all accounts. But...Al Gore types...in politics...are they really willing to commit to properly engineered and properly managed nuclear power plants? Its all about those hidden agendas I also was talking about earlier...unfortunately...they are everywhere, those hidden agendas. Including I. I just told you guys, ban them, keep them, it makes no difference to me...therefore, when Al Gore types target passenger diesel cars, I dont care enough to voice my opinion either for and most importantly against...other than on an internet forum.

Well... I do agree on most points. About passenger car diesels? I dont care really, what the government decides to do. Keep them. Ban them. Its all the same to me. But...coal powered stations and freight trains and trucks are actually NEEDED in the way are system works. There isnt any other viable alternative solutions. (depending what regions we are talking about...Quebec has many raging rivers and lakes...Hydro-electric power is where Im getting at...so...naturally, coal or nuclear aint exactly a thing here.) Coal powered electricity plants....nuclear reactors have to be built. Budget and nuclear waste storage have to be well thought of. Maybe that is more hassle than its worth. And its not as if nuclear power plants are without environmental issues. As far as transport diesels go...there is NO OTHER OPTION...we cant eliminate that... But...in a passenger car...I think we could live without it. Remember...I also said passenger cars.... Pick-up trucks for work is not part of this equation...pick-up trucks for work falls under the same category as freight and transport to me... Literally, passenger...cars. I 100% agree though...there is a time and place to bicker about VW...and this is not one of these times or places.

Greeks Bravo olds. Greeks are some of the smartest MoFo's I know. Has anyone in history come close to the many contributions we gave modern civilization, like: architecture philosophy democracy astronomy sports and olympics mathematics and geometry alarm clocks odometer even early medicine So everyone better listen when a Greek speaks Greeks are also one of the most sarcastic...on the other hand, regular American folk are one of the most sincerest folk... Is that you being Greek? Or is that you being American? That is the question for the ages... Well...in this here thread anyway. It dont matter....my moment in the sun regarding this topic is done. And thank-you if you are being American in that reply and well...hey...we're Greeks, we do what we do if you are being Greek...

^^^ And of course...that. But Id like to see DFELT's question answered about Bosch as well. Id like to see how far this goes. But if that text is legit and Bosch's warning was a TRUE warning and had no clue on how VW was using that software, then it seems like Bosch maybe in the clear...

well...the intentions of CP was to have Drew be in the green side of things...I did just that. Drew's post is where its should have been...on the positive.

Corporate greed. Its as simple as that. When business ethics go out the window to circumvent laws that are in place to minimize environmental impacts...corporate greed is your answer. You understand it...but dont call it as it is....call a spade a spade.... You actually do say that the person(s) involved would be so stupid in thinking the charade would go unnoticed forever. THAT statement wreaks of only one excuse....CORPORATE GREED... Yup...and there is a reason for the government that implements these regs....to minimize environmental impacts... And when VW engineers CANNOT meet those regs...and resort to circumventing laws in order to sell their products...CORPORATE GREED is YOUR ANSWER... Yup...and if VW cannot meet those needs and resorts to lying to their customers about how they do meet those needs with marketing campaigns and TV commercials tooting how VW's clean diesels are...clean....when in reality they are not...making those claims as false advertisement CORPORATE GREED is YOUR ANSWER... Then you go on to talk about GM... Stick to VW as GM's many problems are different than VW's... VW has a war chest of money stashed to the tune of 30 billion or something like that... When VW got caught...VW beancounters right away said that they will put 7-8 billion on the side to take care of the problem... If that does not sound like a guilty corporation full of greed...I dont know what does...

Well...Im long winded by nature... And no...I dont think Im smarter than anyone else. So...Im sorry.

Nice catch on the Caprice wheels... I was off with the headlights and did not realize the Imperial body...kudos to you BLU. Celebrate with Syrian Yogurt and Honey... But I dont mean Honey...I mean...Honey. And to spoil the mood...

I ran out of editing time again... Again...the black plague was hundreds of years ago and was thought to be carried by rats... Nobody thought it was caused by idiot humans urinating in the streets and dumping bath water in the streets etc... So...because people die anyway...and there are worse causes of pollution....do we dare return urinating in the streets? Why bother with Port-a-Pottys and a sewer system? Why even bother telling corporations NOT to dump crap in rivers and lakes? Why even have clean air acts and laws? Why even have laws? Anarchy is a way to go... Murder....hell...there was another shooting in another school today... Why bother finding solutions? People die anyway...old age, cancer, drug overdose, getting hit by a car... Who cares? Speed, run with scissors in your hands...pollute... Have a free for all.... Hidden agendas you say? Well...obviously YOUR hidden agenda is more important than mine... All I want is for corporate greed to stop....and for companies to be responsible when it comes to the planet... If the diesel engine has to go because its a very difficult thing to control emissions wise with all the demands that the modern consumer uts on the automobile...than so be it... Electrics looks like a more viable solution... Could diesels be obsolete? Could be... And maybe THAT is what YOU are afraid to admit...

Hyper...is still does NOT change the fact that diesels are a DIRTY fuel.... It STILL does NOT change the fact that diesels are targeted... OK....YOU like diesels...it still does not change the fact that when YOU say people lie...that YOU also lie and turn a blind eye. It still does not change the fact that when people lie....they have a hidden agenda...and it still does NOT change the fact that...YOUR OPPOSITE opinion of diesels is BASED on YOUR PERSONAL AGENDA....in WHICH YOU are LYING... THAT is THE sad part...when YOU want to push YOUR agenda and YOU push all other agendas on the side... The reality of things...is that diesels...are NOT a very clean fuel... And because today...in 2015....we have BETTER alternatives... YOU could argue the cleanliness of batteries...I wont argue with you on your findings... Just like someone could either be for or against nuclear power.... The fact still remains...diesels are not that clean...and their by product is a DIRECT hit to the air we breathe... you could still argue that fact for battery production...which is a moot point because diesel production emits the same amount at the factory level... But as a fuel source...the battery is cleaner... OK...you could argue about battery disposals... Well...there are laws into place for that... Just like there is for diesel cars and passing EPA emissions... Do you really want me to talk about VW again? We all have an agenda...YOURS is just as hypocritical as the ones you seem to distrust. WHY? When you use as arguments...people die anyway and anyhow... Again...the black plague was hundreds of years ago and was thought to be carried by rats... Nobody thought it was caused by idiot humans urinating in the streets and dumping bath water in the streets etc... So...because people die anyway...and there are worse causes of pollution....do we dare return urinating in the streets?

What is that? '59 lights, bumpers, fenders and grille. What else?

Sorry El K. Did not mean to forget you. Im high on emotion sometimes. And this topic...apparently touched my heart... And it aint because of WW2....I was just trolling with that. and maybe this emoticon too... What got my goat with this mess....was the blatant corporate greed...the TV commercials...the lies. That and I hate when somebody downvotes without explanations! Plus...being accused that Im against capitalists making money... Ill admit...I like socialism...not every aspect of it, but there are MANY socialist programs that I want to be part of my country. But to be accused of hating the rich? Now...I aint rich, by MY definition of being stinkin' rich, but Im doing pretty good for myself if I may say so. To say that I hate the rich....why on earth would I have invested in a restaurant chasing that stupid American Dream for the last 17 years of my life? Just to hate myself in the end? Would THAT be narcissism? That would be the opposite, right? Maybe that is being a neurotic self loathing dude...But I aint Jewish...Im Greek...hence the high on emotion stuff...