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The thing is...even in that article that I posted...to NOT have the PUBLIC go in an outrage...the British government wants to go baby steps with the banning of diesels...that is why the knee jerk reaction was mentioned... Why? 11 million diesel motorists will be affected....that have been "misled"... only to mention science again...and maybe the numbers are not correct... YOU will say that its the green movement that is pushing for this... OK... fair enough... Take a study of Los Angeles air pollution from the 1970s and the 1980s and then come and complain to me about air pollution... Dont forget when you study that...to also take into consideration how Europe's air quality was in those times also...Athens Greece should surprise you... And THEN come and complain to me... Before you do that though...take a looksie on how China's air quality is as of today... And THEN come and complain to me... But before you do that...learn about what the TRUTH is behind diesels and THEN come and talk to me.... About diesels...I aint gonna pretend I know...because I dont...so with the diesel part of this argument....teach me... But before you do that... Learn why their are entities like the EPA around....PS: I dont care if they are corrupt also... Why? Because I happen to assume that diesels...just like leaded gasoline...is NOT good for the air that we breathe... So... If diesels have to be regulated with an iron fist....so be it... If VW screwed the pooch for EVERYBODY concerning diesels...c'est la vie... The world had to adapt when killing whales for fuel was outlawed... The world had to adapt when using coal was mostly abolished... The world nearly had to adapt when the world said no more nuclear reactors for electricity...GERMANY has outlawed them nuclear reactors...yes Japan was the reason....Quebec shut down its nuclear reactor too... The world had to adapt when leaded gasoline was no more... The world will have to adapt if and when diesels will be outlawed...C'est. La. Vie. PSS: All those things that I mentioned that were banned from different places on the planet....they all have one common denominator... Can you guess what that is? They are all very harmful to our planet... We continue to pollute it...yes...they are far WORSE things that pollute than diesels... If that is the case...maybe we should return to leaded gasolines... Maybe we should continue whaling. Maybe we should go back to urinating on the streets....just because there are far worse polluters on the planet...

The lack of a base truck may be due to pricing. This is not a cheap engine anymore due to government regs. I suspect they are holding back on engine price some and adding options to spread out the areas to recoup the profits. I would hate to see how much this thing would cost with no options vs. the gas model. I bet there would be a big gulf in price. Our government has taken a Diesel and made it so difficult to price any more with regulations that it has almost priced the engine out of existence. Even Europe with their tight laws are easier but I suspect the Green Party will make a move to work to kill these engines. It really is a shame. I just love how the news people are going around saying VW may have killed 11,000 people? They leave out many who are effected are often people who smoked themselves into repertory issues too. Lets face it we are not finding bodies in the street and the fact is even with the failing reading the VW engine is cleaner than any Diesel in the last 100 years. To really get ill from these engines you generally have to have a contributing illness or you live upstairs over a truck stop. We are not talking black lung here. If anyone was to die from lung/Diesel issues it would be heavy equipment operators who sit behind a stack, Farmers and or truck drivers. One really needs to keep this in perspective as the media like in other cases fails to report all the info. 11K deaths garners more attention than if you really break it down. AHEM... Our government has taken a Diesel and made it so difficult to price any more with regulations that it has almost priced the engine out of existence. Even Europe with their tight laws are easier but I suspect the Green Party will make a move to work to kill these engines. LINKY: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/11571615/Dirty-diesel-cars-could-be-banished-as-Britain-ordered-to-cut-air-pollution.html from the linky: Diesel cars could be phased out in Britain after the Supreme Court ruled that the Government must take urgent steps to tackle air pollution in cities. The UK is facing millions of pounds of fines from the European Commission for failing to cut levels of nitrogen dioxide (NO2). On Wednesday judges in Britain’s highest court ordered the Department for the Environment to submit new air quality plans by the end of the year setting out radical ways of tackling pollution. Environmental and motoring groups said that diesel cars and trucks were likely to be targeted because they emit the largest amount of nitrogen dioxide. Freight companies predicted that diesel drivers would be offered incentives to scrap their vehicles or face stiff new taxes. However Edmund King of the AA warned that the 11 million motorists who were ‘misled’ into buying diesel cars during Gordon Brown’s ‘dash for diesel’ would feel betrayed. “There have been confusing messages and the goal now seems to have changed from encouragement to the demonising of diesel,” said Mr King. “This won’t just affect big polluting trucks, but taxi drivers and families with people-carriers as well. This could drive down the value of cars dramatically. "We all want better air quality but knee-jerk reactions without considering the science will not help air quality, industry or drivers.” Therefore....your hatred towards your own government entities are misplaced... Europe...OK...in this case the United Kingdom...but Im sure I could find other European countries that have vilified the diesel...maybe not...I do know of the U.K. though...will outlaw the diesel very soon...and VW's mess is NOT doing the diesel engine any favours... So...wanna continue this charade against YOUR OWN guvment?

Thanx Drew... I felt that I did not get any support from ANYBODY with that point of view of mine...another reason why I ranted in a very big way.

Im sorry guys... But the thing is...I dont like to hear stupid stuff like that...its one thing to have an opinion...its another to try to justify WRONG DOINGS because of a personal agenda... I get it...you will be SEVERELY inconvenienced by this...BE ANGRY at VW AG... IM SEVERELY ANGERED BY VW AG...and I DONT EVEN OWN A VW AG CAR!!! OK...I never have, nor will I ever give a VW AG car a chance to own...I also have got a personal agenda going on... But can you blame me? I showed you pics of why in my case... 60-70-80-100-1000 years will go by before I forgive and forget... Why do you own a diesel? Gas mileage? And now that VW will have to fix this mess...will you get the same gas mileage as promised? If not...with all those green commercials...isnt that FALSE ADVERTISEMENT when the company had KNOWELDGE that that those promises were false???!!! Isnt THAT also a crime as by U.S. consumer product laws? Or do we ignore that too because YOU might be inconvenienced???!!!

I would hurt VW long term.... imagine if 2.8 million Germans could suddenly not drive their cars for 3 to 6 months while VW issues a fix.... do you think they would buy another? Resale value would be destroyed. This is the German government forcing VW's hand... and it is an effective threat I think. I really do not believe they need to apply much more pressure. They know they are globally in trouble PR wise and they are already working on a fix. They have already forced people out and I suspect more will fall. It will take some time to make the parts. I am sure the agencies of many countries will require them to recertify the cars and changes made. And then they have to get the parts made and then the customers to the dealers. There is no fast track to this and you can apply all the pressure in the world but it will take 2 years if it goes fast to fix a majority. Then they will have to eat the cost of parts, labor, fines, recertification, legal fees and many other things. This will be very expensive in the end. I bet it tops 25-35 billion Dollars in the end minimum. It will for sure hurt VW either way. But if the government stops me from driving my car for no real logical reason till a fix is approved that is a sure way not to be reelected. Lets face it even with the failing readings these engines are cleaner than the diesels of the last 100 years. People are not falling over in the streets and what the media fails to report is many of the 11,000 that are claimed to be victims already smoked themselves into respiratory failure before they were affected by the fumes. You would have to almost live in a truck stop with running trucks for years to do that much damage. Lets face it the people most exposed to Diesel fumes are Farmers with a stack in the face as well heavy equipment workers. You do not see them dropping like flies. This EPA stuff is as much agenda as it is to clean the environment. It is brought to you buy the same people who are promoting the carbon exchange. There is big major profits in environmentalism. YOU are putting the BLAME on the WRONG entity... Dude....its pollution... The cars are not LEGAL... I dont give two shytes if its the same people that are pushing carbon taxes... Yoy dont want to re-elect the officials that are ushing for VW to clean up the mess... Again...YOU are blaming the WRONG people... VW AG are the ones that sold YOU the ILLEGAL car... Again...who gives two shytes what the media is pushing for???!!! The cars as is ....would NOT have been sold if the cars originally FAILED the EPA emissions tests... I get it...YOU are stuck with NO vehicle to drive and out thousands of dollars... VW AG is the one to blame... GREEDY CEOs that run/ran VW AG... You live in America...the land of lawsuits... In the ONE time that a collection of lawsuits SHOULD be had against a corporation its THIS one... Nothing FRIVOLOUS about that... Do I have to re-link the VW commercials again???!!! You...to save face even...dont even want to admit the cancerous shyte box you are driving is an ILLEGAL polltun' machine!!! And do you know why Im being aggressive with you? Its because YOU are an intelligent guy...yet...here you are...you are even blaming YOUR government for this mess...and you know what? ITS THE GERMAN GOVERNMENT THAT MAY BE FORCING THE VW DIESELS OFF THE ROAD IN....GERMANY!!! NOT IN THE USA....SO....WHY ARE YOU EVEN MENTIONING YOUR GOVERNMENT IN THIS???!!! Dont tell me you are yet another American who DOES NOT TRUST their own DEMOCRATIC ELECTED Government...Every 4 years you guys get to elect YOUR leaders...unless of course the USA is in some sort of dictatorship that I dont know about... Besides all that...you guys have the RIGHT to bear arms... The thing is...you could talk to your fellow congressman to tell him how you fell about VW and its policies regarding this mess!!! GEE WEEZ!!!

Yes I know... Other industries pollute....so lets give free reign for VW AG to lie, cheat, fraud, and pollute... Timely fashion to get these cars off the road? THEY SHOULDNT BE ON THE ROAD TO BEGIN WITH!!! THAT is a hard concept for some to accept... DOWNVOTE AWAY!!!

WHY WILL THEY BE OFF THE ROADS??? Remember that image? LEADED gasoline... Yeah well...Diesel...it turns out...is just as bad... Why dont we have LEADED gasoline in our cars anymore? ITS OK...DOWNVOTE THIS TOO...TO MASK REALITY!!! (yes...pun intended)

The thing is...VW DIESEL CARS...IF NOT FIXED...WILL BE OFF THE ROADS SOON ENOUGH!!!

VW AG LIED!!! THEY FRAUDED THE BUYING PUBLIC... THEY HAVE MADE A MOCKERY OUT OF YOU!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj9gwZIdGMs OH WELL....YOU COULD DOWNVOTE THIS POST TOO TO MAKE YOURSELVES FEEL BETTER!!!

That goes to show me how childish the guy(s) are being with this downvote... REALITY has not sank in to you... Its OK....DOWNVOTE those POSTS until I am at NEGATIVE LEVELS!!!! LIKE I SAID... STOMP YOUR FEET IN PROTEST because IM POINTING OUT THAT VW AG DIESEL CARS WILL BE OFF THE ROAD BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT LEGAL TO BE ON THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!~ DOWNVOTE THIS TOO!!! BOOM!!! GERMANY DROPS THE BAN HAMMER!!! OTHERS TO FOLLOW SUIT!!!

Downvote this again BUMP...JUST BECAUSE THE PERSON WHO DOWNVOTED COULD GET TO DOWN VOTE IT AGAIN!!! and again Downvote this too again and again

an ad blitz? You are making it waaaaay too easy for me to tie in WW2 with all this VW mess... But I wont....Ill just do The Ramones instead... Hey Ho! Lets Go! there is no question...The Colorado and Canyon will come out of this like the other song I wanna post... LIKE A ROCK! Because Bob Seger is nowhere to be found on Youtube...so the commercial will have to do...its where I wanted to go anyway...

maybe you could use google to help you with the complications...

PS... you sarcasm is not lost on me.. Except you are not that wise... Google is your friend... The thing is...the aircraft industry is not what we are talking about here... But...lets just say that the standards for a Boeing 777 Dreamliner are lower...just because the aircraft industry is allowed to pollute...tht does NOT excuse VW to pollute... If you are heading in that direction...its a one way street to a cul-de-sac... Use google translate on the last part...

Then you must ahve your answer then... Lucky for you...

Or someone who likes fitness and exercise. Esp. if they are spandex clad and out on a 105 degree day... My assumption still stands... Is it OCNBLU that is on that bike with spandex clad crappy pants out on a 105 degree day? Could very well be DUI on OCNBLU's part...

If that is what High School French in America leads you to believe...

I dont know...it depends... Are you the one on the bike?

I dont know...I sell hot dogs for a living... let me ask my dad...he worked at Canadair for 40 years....ooopsies...he is dead....died in 2006... Let me tell you about how Im supposed to run a restaurant in Quebec... This is a link... http://www.mapaq.gouv.qc.ca/fr/Transformation/Qualitedesaliments/Hygienesalubrite/Pages/Hygienesalubrite.aspx I hope you read French... I have to comply with these rules...if not...they close me down...

Me neither....it must be an internet thing.

No it aint Suave... There is NO time limit... HAD VW made those cars take the tests as is....those cars...were NOT gonna pass...therefore NOT sold... All those cars are ILLEGALLY on the road... Is it THAT hard to understand?

Because everybody else pollutes... We should just let VW CEOs oof the hook...and just leave the cars continuing to pollute... Its OK...because...well...pollution is everywhere...no need to try to curb it...or to set rules...let it be... http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/pictures/5-recent-underreported-environmental-disasters-20140407 From the link above... On March 22nd, almost 170,000 gallons of heavy marine fuel poured into Galveston Bay on the Texas coast after two commercial boats collided in the busy waterway. In Indiana, on March 24th, energy giant BP spilled as many as 1600 gallons of oil — a mix of domestic crude and tar sands oil from Canada — into Lake Michigan, the primary source of drinking water for Chicago's seven million residents. And on March 17th, 20,000 gallons of pipeline oil leaked into a nature preserve in southwest Ohio. Meanwhile, January's Elk River chemical spill, which contaminated the drinking water of 300,000 West Virginians, continues to frighten citizens, many of whom are still not drinking or bathing in it. Pollution has long been an accepted cost of cheap energy production, particularly in states desperate for jobs. Big Energy is a powerful presence in Washington, working hard to block and gut environmental regulation and to defang the agencies tasked with protecting the country's natural resources. Weak or outdated laws governing toxic chemicals, and the absence of standardized oversight, tracking mechanisms or meaningful punishment for oil spills and leaks gives industry the leeway to keep polluting. I guess...because THIS happens often....we should continue to keep a BLIND eye....no matter how big (like that Galveston Bay accident) or how small (how small you think it is....like in VeeDub's case) Sure...the guvment is stupid to actually try to punish and to try to CORRECT a fault... - The diesel cars from VW EXCEED the amounts TOLERABLE... - Had the EPA knew how bad those amounts were back then....the CARS WERE HAVE NEVER BEEN SOLD and KEPT OFF THE STREETS...BACK THEN... VW PROFITED and MADE MONEY from this FRAUD... Yet Hyper V6 sees no problems with that...yet he sees the GERMAN government trying to get these pollutants off the streets as UNREASONABLE... Yet...someone downvotes MY posts because there is a SMIDGEN of truth to my opinion....NOW you know why I went ballistic... Its ANNOYING to have some TWIT downvote you because you state an opinion....MORE SO to than that....its as close to reality as it can get!!! STOP LIVING IN A BUBBLE....accept the fact that VW did wrong...and I...am HAPPY that the HAMMER fell UPON them... Rightfully so...Im happy... VW LIED, FRAUDED the BUYING public...AND...CONTRIBUTES TO POLLUTION KNOWINGLY AND WILLFULLLY!!! Yet some moron finds a problem with me pointing that out... Sure...its over the top... Kinda like how VW's solution to circumvent was over the top..;

Reality is that...since it does not come from Motor Trend...it does NOT suck... As long as it does not come from Motor Trend...because everything from Motor Trend is garbage...

Well...times, they are a-changin'

BUMP...JUST BECAUSE THE PERSON WHO DOWNVOTED COULD GET TO DOWN VOTE IT AGAIN!!! And DOWNVOTE IT AGAIN!!! And AGAIN