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I prefer the Alero as you could tell. LOL But I do agree that the front clip on the Alero looks small and odd. I like the way the back end looks. The over all shape of the Alero coupe appears to be more sleek then the G6 so I do prefer that. However, they both seem to have the same roofline. Or very very similar. I like both equally in that regard. When I saw this (Alero) concept I fell in love with it immediately. Hence why I bought one in 1999. I prefer the way the front end clip ended up being in the actual production car. It doesnt look weirdly small. But I was disappointed that the actual car did not look like the concept. It became bulkier in the back with a higher belt line. (Or the illusion of being) I preferred the sleeker, slimmer look of the concept (Or the illusion of being). But I do think the actual production Alero was one of GM's best designs of the 1990s.

I never liked that Seville. I do have to say that it IS a good looking car to me. I just dont like it. I do not know why. Maybe its because to my eyes, it looks like a Malibu? Albeit a couple of years later? Which I never liked either. The bustleback Sevillle is even uglier to me. It wasnt until the 1992 Seville that I started to lust after.

Mickey Rourke... He was such a good looking young man, he had to go screw himself with cosmetic surgery. I get it. Young and hot and women fall into your lap. No loss of work in Hollywood either. Age catches up, roles run dry (when talent is not the primary reason for gigs) and maybe the ladies dont come by anymore. Women in Hollywood have it worse than men do. Aside from all the sexual assault they have to endure... I never saw Wild Orchid. Was never a fan of that type of movie. (comedic sexual movies I liked. Like Revenge of the Nerds or Porky's or Bachelor Party...) I did see its predecessor 9 1/2 Weeks. Basinger is still one good looking lady. Didnt really enjoy the movie. I did enjoy Basinger. If it really was her... Although her ex Alec aged better than her. I dont think she done any cosmetic shyte done. Maybe minimal stuff... (enough with the chick talk...) Ive seen a fair share of Mickey Rourke's movies. Not too bad of an actor actually. The reason why I chimed in was to tell you that I loved him in The Wrestler.

Oldsmobile had that beat a decade prior

Pablo Escobar's I just think it looks really dope! (pun intended)

^^^ Yup. But he already owns the Escalade. I tried looking for a price tag on these but couldnt find any. GM Authority website states that pricing hasnt been released. The GM E crate motor is said to have 200HP with a 60 KW/H lithion ion battery. That '60s C10 has 2 e crate motors producing 450HP with 120 KW/H batteries. https://gmauthority.com/blog/2020/10/chevrolet-performance-launches-electric-connect-and-cruise-package/ LOL 50 thousand for restoration is moot as ANY car that needs to be restored regardless what engine will eventually power it that will be bought... Frame off restoration is almost a must. Especially if upgrades to the powertrain and everything else will be made. If the vehicle has a good runnin' motor...well it has a good runnin' motor, but when we are talking about crate engines then the price of restoring only goes up from there. Junk yard crashed cars could be purchased for their engines, but one really should know about engines to determine if the engine of a totaled vehicle is running good. And if that is the case, then chances are, most of the restoration and fabrication and all that will be made by the DIYer rather than a shop. An LS7 crate is 12 000. The LT1 is 8 500. The LT4 15 000. Dry Sump is 16 000 and change. JUST the engines. The Electric Connect and Cruise E Crate motors will probably be pricier than 15 000. More like 30 000 Im guessing. Like how the now discontinued LT5 cost. That C10 has 2 of them. Plus the 120 KW/H battery packs. Pricier even. THEN, we are talking about high voltage systems here. I dont think there are many DIYer hot rodders out there that could do THIS kind of thing on there own. So...specialized EV powertrain tech folk probably need to do this. yeah... Im retracting my thoughts of a job like this being cheaper... @David is best to wait for the 2024 GMC Hummer SUV...

^^^ Option 1: @David He could wait until 2024 and forego all that drama that was presented above 80 grand Option 2: Or...he could convert his current Escalade into an EV one https://www.thedrive.com/news/37354/the-chevrolet-performance-ecrate-is-here-to-make-electric-drivetrain-swaps-easier-than-ever His Escalade is one clean ride. He takes really could care of it and I think it would be an amazing project if he could and would want to, convert it. Less than what was mentioned by buying a new Tahoe...or a new GMC Hummer.

"But for reasons not entirely known" https://www.motortrend.com/features/gm-x-cars-chevrolet-citation-oldsmobile-buick-pontiac-photos-history/ https://www.hotcars.com/chevy-citation-why-bad-reputation/ https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/g261/4345725/?slide=3 Maybe GM knew that they had released a big doo doo on the people? Anyway...GM launched https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_A_platform_(1982) in 1982 to replace the big doo doo that they had unleashed on the people. The A Platform was derived from that big doo doo. The A Platform had success. But was replaced by the W Body within the decade. Mindboggling amounts of wasted money.

Yeah. Spark and Bolt. Same price. Interesting experiment indeed. But then again. There is this: https://ca.news.yahoo.com/tesla-delivers-record-breaking-number-205017718.html I think those Tesla 3rd quarter sales are world wide. Nevertheless, regardless where those sales are, regardless what kind of EV prices we like EV prices to be...Tesla has hit a sweet spot with prices in their Model 3 and Model Y EVs.

Fair enough. ATP for a Chevy Spark is less than 17 000. https://gmauthority.com/blog/2021/07/chevy-spark-average-transaction-price-in-june-was-less-than-17k/ But here is where I have to entertain you. I promised. I am mostly a man of my words. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-10/cheap-electric-vehicles-in-china-bring-green-transportation-to-the-masses In China, there are many EVs that are even cheaper than 13K. Less than 10K even. But these will never pass safety regs in the US, Im assuming. Plus, these are no frills cars. Something that American consumers have not seen since the Chevette you mentioned. And I have a feeling these EVs have even less frills than the Chevette. So where do we go from here? Lets be real for starters. The Chevy Spark sells about 30 000 units/year. I dont think there is another car like this one available in the US market for sale. And for good reason as Americans dont WANT this type of vehicle. My reasoning. Honda and Toyota, I think, have done away with there micro cars in the US market... Also, ATPs for new cars in the US is 40 000. But...as a said, TODAY there is a nice little EV that is JUST above that ATP price. But you want me to show you an "affordable" EV BELOW 40 000. Well...there IS such a vehicle. @David mentioned a USED Nissan Leaf. Well... a NEW Nissan Leaf goes for starting price @ 28 000 US dollars. A Chevrolet Bolt is just a tad more than that. When you asked will affordable EVs be really affordable? Now I say. And I stand by that statement firmly. Since there are at least two EVs that sell at or below the ATPs of new cars sold in the US. As far as I know, the Chevy Spark is the ONLY car sold in the US at about 15K...

When you show me a NEW 13K ICE car in 2021...Ill gladly entertain your thoughts on BEs being expensive...

Sorry, but yes it is... Actually...now even.

Sure... Tesla seems to be doin' alright in Norway. In China. Tesla was doin' alright in Europe in general before VW took away part of that thunder but concerning EVs, Tesla in Europe is still bangin' on! Concerning the other American OEMs, they seem to have state of the art, leading EV tech as compared to the other European and Japanese OEMs. Asian makers in China, I dont where they stand, but Korean makers are behind in EV tech to the American ones. Hence why I say American automotive companies are leading the way. (I will get political later. Sorry. But necessary) But...concerning the infrastructure and ENERGY industry. The US has weaponized political ideology AGAINST EVs to which many Americans are misinformed about certain aspects of EVs. They keep on repeating the same bullshyte ideas... Tesla...has created its own infrastructure. We dont expect gm and Ford and Rivian and Lucid to do the same. But gm and Ford HAS slept with and been in bed with a long time with Big Oil... Now with that being said, when you got former Presidents wanting to keep coal alive and senators of certain states vacation in Cancun Mexico when storms hit and caused a shytestorm in the electric grid and had other governing members misinform and outright lie to the public of why it happened in the first place... When all that is happening INSTEAD of using all that brain power and money to create some sort of electrical grid that is renewable energy, to create a grid that CAN handle the switch to EVs... Well...what you get in the US is EXACTLY as how I explained it in my rant... Bitchin' and whinin' and meanderin' down the same ole path... Lyin' and cheatin' and misinformin' the public as to why NOT to switch to EVs... And the million and one excuses that come with it. Yet... Tesla Lucid gm Ford Rivian are leading the WORLD...HELPING the world SWITCH to EVs by creating technology for moving vehicles that could actually replace the internal combustion vehicle in a most seemingly way possible. ALL AMERICAN as you pointed out. AMERICAN. ELECTRIC Bald Eagles... Norway, Greece, Finland, China, Canada, Korea, Japan, France, Germany, Thailand, Viet Nam.... the rest of the world is trying to CREATE an infrastructure to accommodate the EV. Countries of the world, the leaders and the citizens of these countries are trying to find a solution for: 1. creating safe for the environment electrical production to sustain the new reality of EVs and batteries 2. trying to find a solution for creating batteries that are safe for mining and producing them as well as recycling. (American brain power is in this one too tho) 3. infrastructure. here in America, in Canada too...alls I here is Cross country trips (range anxiety): Lucid Air has a 500 mile plus range... apparently (Not official just yet) Not enough chargers (range anxiety): 50 000 public chargers and growing. 116 000 gas stations. In another 5 years, those chargers will have surpassed that gas station mark. Plus, chargers at home for those that could have one is ALWAYS an option as NEW construction in many many places in America is MANDATORY... Charging times...charging times... : Those times are getting faster for EVs. In 5 years, wont be THAT much of a difference as compared to gassing up. Expensive. : Well, Its not as if regular cars are getting any cheaper... Average transaction prices are 40 000. THAT is a short spit away from actual EV pricing. Good EVs at that. I mean, A Hyundai Kona is a good EV... It aint a Model S long range that does 0-60 in 3 point whatever seconds, the quarter mile in like 12 seconds or so with a range of 400 miles. Its still a good little EV that will haul all your family's needs... And THAT is RIGHT now... Will EVs go lower than that? Well...I wish Coca Cola could still cost a nickel and a loaf of bread a dime... and the movies a quarter... But we all know that aint happening. (I never saw those prices. Those prices was when my dad was a young kid) So... EVs WILL eventually cost as much as an affordable car was in the 1950s, 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, 1990s... It WONT be your Cadillac Lyriq or your Hummer GMC or your Tesla Model S Plaid... It WILL be your Chevrolet Cavalier equivalent or your Ford Escort equivalent. Just dont expect it to be a real quick or have shnazzy options. THOSE you will have to pay for. It MIGHT not even BE from Chevrolet or Ford. It COULD be something from China... Maybe Chevrolet and Ford WANT to sell 70 000 dollar cars and trucks and SUVs no matter WHAT powers them and dont EVER want to return to the entry level stuff... But yeah... American car makers ARE leading the way in EV technology. Its too damned bad that some citizens dont even see that... But hey! EV infrastructure sucks Charging times suck EVs dont have good range EVs are this and EVs are that...

I dunno much about this actor. I had to google who he was. Turns out Ive seen a handful of her movies. (Oh...I also realized that the male version of Frances is spelled with an 'I' not an 'E' when I realized who the actor in question was after I was done googling...) But yeah!

Serious question: Do these include the home chargers? Or is that number simply just public chargers along a highway or in a shopping mall parking lot type deal? Not so serious question: Does that number include home fueling pods? Or is that number just gas stations along a highway or on a major street corner?

Well... NO! You see, there is too much bitchin' and whinin' and stallin' and meanderin' down the same ole path and NOT enough of what YOU just suggested (the bolded parts) to improve. How is that gonna happen when literally NOTHING is done to improve that... Why dont awesome American ingenuity and entrepreneurism and catch the bulls by the horns attitude that BUILT America to what it is today when the industrial revolution started 150 years ago do something about it? https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-pushes-norways-ev-sales-140113295.html Look it... Gasoline is awesome. Octane is a hell of a drug. The sounds of V8s is aural sex. Problem is, octane no longer rules our roads. Eco small micro displacement turboed, muffler muffled to non-existent sounds other than a few buzz buzzers buzzing here and there 4 bangers that rule our roads. Always with the across country road trips as an excuse... Shyte, in some cases, during special circumstances, FLYING is CHEAPER going from one side to the country the other than using ones own car. And AMERICANS DO LIKE TO FLY... Catch my drift. In other words.... Driving across the damned country is NOT the ONLY option anymore. Its not 19 phoquing 55... Its NOT Griswold's family truckster anymore... Christ all mighty... Shyte... Lucid Air is said to have a 500 plus mile range... COMMON MAN!!! Its 2021. It aint 2017. 5 years have passed when THESE arguments kinda made sense. In 5 years....things have changed DRASTICALLY in this area... The technology may still be in its infancy, but its evolving quite fast. And well....the ENERGY industry in the US is lagging their feet because the EV industry in the US is LEADING the way WORLDWIDE... Tesla Lucid gm Ford Rivian Lets all get real here. EVs are coming. They are already here. Laws are in place to stifle the internal combustion engine. The WORLD minus the United States of America sees it. The WORLD is adapting. The US is STILL bitchin' and whinin' and stallin' and meanderin' down the same ole path. Except for Tesla Lucid gm Ford Rivian Its up to American entrepreneurial and ingenuity know-how to MAKE the rest of your concerns happen. Even places poor like Greece are trying to find solutions https://www.autoweek.com/news/green-cars/a36619034/vw-turning-greek-island-into-an-ev-oasis/ The Asian world is FULL of all kinds of possible solutions... Google it. You will be amazed... This line of EV denial is getting quite old I must say. Sorry for the in your face post. But I am getting tired of this logic...