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Agreed, dfelt. I LOVE the interior but the outside is a little on the bland side. I actually think those pictures make the car look smaller than the concept pictures. I think that is part of what is making it seem underwhelming to me.

Bad-freakin-ass.

I like it. I'm also fine with the "same sausage, different lengths" though. I mean that's how all of the Germans and Cadillac are, really. There isn't a huge differentiation from an A4 to an A8 style-wise, nor 3 to 7 and ATS to CT6.

Sport Edge, Sport Fusion, Sport Explorer and maybe soon, Sport Escape. Looks nicely sorted to me. It appears that 325hp in a Fusion is not worthy of a Ford Performance branded badge. Needs more than that I guess. Good point. I hadn't realized that I guess.

So the "sport" Fusion never got an ST badge? Man, Ford needs to sort that crap out if you ask me..

Wouldn't it be more Cherokee..? Yes, this is Cherokee sized wow, the photo makes it look smaller than the Cherokee. Cool info, Thanks Yeah, I thought it was larger because the current one is the smallest of the escape/crv/cx5/etc... and it said it grew a little so it is probably much more comparable now, not that it was that much smaller before.

Yes, I know he isn't the cleanest player in the league. I acknowledged that already, nor was the hit. And unless you show something that is more clear than the picture and slow motion video showing the majority of the blow was shoulder to Brown's head then you're wrong... Show some clearer proof of helmet to helmet. Seriously, I'm not trying to be a dick. I just don't see the helmet to helmet hit. If I'm missing something I'll say you're right but just saying I am wrong isn't proof that he hit him with the crown of his helmet like the Ryan Shazier hit.

Look at that picture, you can clearly see they are staggered. It is very much debatable unless you have a picture that shows the helmet to helmet contact, which, I'm not saying didn't happen. I'm saying the serious blow to the head came from his shoulder. http://www.cougarboard.com/board/message.html?id=15272432 The link on that page has it slowed down..somewhat.. Not as much as I'd like but I'm having a tough time finding one really slowed down.

It was WAAAAAAY more shoulder than helmet. I don't think Burfict's helmet actually made contact with Brown. Okay, looking at replays it's super tough to tell but he didn't lower the crown of his helmet into Brown, dirty, yes. I still don't think it is AS dirty as the hit on Bernard. That's just my opinion on it though. You can see that if there was helmet to helmet contact it was a scrape and not a crown of the helmet to the receiver. It was nearly all shoulder that did the damage, still illegal. I just want to clarify that I know it is an illegal hit but I think the other play was actually dirtier.

I hope you're not talking about this hit. http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/01/09/giovani-bernard-hard-hit-steelers-bengals-video Leading with the crown of your helmet is not legal. This didn't get called as it was a RB not a WR but it was still a penalty that was not called and as dirty(dirtier - IMO) of a hit as the Burfict play. Burfict didn't lead with his helmet to hit Brown.

Saw my first wild Tacoma! I couldn't get a frontal pic as I started moving...

Sorry for your loss, bud.

Wouldn't it be more Cherokee..?

For 20k you get a supercharger and intercooler.. and a keyshain? I understand a warranty comes with it but that's a lot of coin for a supercharger and an intercooler.

It's "okay" looking to me. 400hp, yes please. There is just something that isn't "killin' it" for me and I'm not sure what it is. Maybe it's that it still just looks too concept-like to me and not like something that we would actually see on the roads.

Looks good, for a mini van. LOVE that they will have a plug-in hybrid! I feel like this class of vehicles needs it as much as any in order to keep people buying them. Because people who buy large SUVs realistically would be suited better in a van with and with a good mpg advantage this should help them steal some SUV sales. Up to a 30 mile range sounds fantastic! Why leave the Town and Country name after all these years?

I think this looks awesome but odds of it ever being produced seem slim to none..

Gorgeous blue on that ATS-V!

I don't think Ford made a Raptor in 2015..?

And premium trimmed Ford cars, trucks and SUV's outsell Buick and GMC combined. Easily.Congrats to BMW. Well deserved. Titanium/Platinum as a trim does not necessarily a premium trim make. On the F150s and Explorer, yes. On the Fusion, Focus, Escape, and Edge etc, the distinction is far far less clear.Its translucent... No.. Opaque. Put a Titanium Fusion, hell put a Fusion made of titanium next to a normal Fusion, and I'd be hard pressed to tell yourself why U spent the extra coin. Buick? There is a level of cache attached to it. Ford Titanium? Not at all.I agree that the name Titanium has no cache at all but place a titanium fusion next to a base fusion and it's very obvious. I do feel like they are watering down the name "titanium". For instance, 2013 Escape titaniums pretty much came with everything including the largest wheels and engine. Get a titanium, get the big engine and wheels standard along with all sorts of other options. Jump ahead and the 19's and 2.0t are options on Titanium trimmed Escapes. I don't like that.

That's an off-site. Trifecta is http://www.wot-tuning.com/forums/page/index.html TRIFECTA: +44 WHP and +51 ft-lbs on Chevrolet Cruze 1.4T MY2011-2015 Considered them for my Impala and then decided that I had enough power on tap to get me into trouble. Specifications of the TRIFECTA Performance Chevrolet Impala MY2014+ 3.6 LFX ECM software reprogramming: -Gains of +14 ft-lbs and +20 WHP under the curve (and +14 ft-lbs and +16 WHP peak on 91 octane) -Powertrain calibration has been tested and validated for various environments, such as cold/heat, elevation, and variations in fuel quality -Power feels linear and immediately responsive (improved drivability and throttle attentiveness) -Retains all GM OE diagnostics and ECM functionality -Retains all OE error code reporting and functionality -Emissions readiness checks are present; emissions compliant -Maintains functionality of ABS and TC systems -Knock detection mechanisms and OE engine knock detection sensitivity is retained -The TRIFECTA flash loader and Transparency featureset does not increment the ECM write counter or increment entries in the flash history -Return to stock functionality included with flash loader Can the gains for the Regal 2.0 be expected on the Verano 2.0 as well? I couldn't find any numbers for the Verano but if that were the case the Verano Turbo would be one dang quick car. The Verano uses the first gen 2.0T, so it's a different tune, but yes, the Verano can make 300+ hp and torque. There's something about that car that I really like. I'd need to see one in person to actually grasp the size. I'm afraid it would be a little too small for my liking. But, I dig the classy yet sporty-ness of it. So that has the same engine my friend's HHR SS has then, right?

A tuner called Trifecta has tunes for every engine of the Malibu from 2008 through 2015 (except for the hybrids). I'm sure they're already trying to get their hands on a new Malibu to be first on the market. They also tune the Sonic and Cruze. Do you have a link to that? The ones I'm finding in google only support the Cadillacs. That's an off-site. Trifecta is http://www.wot-tuning.com/forums/page/index.html TRIFECTA: +44 WHP and +51 ft-lbs on Chevrolet Cruze 1.4T MY2011-2015 Considered them for my Impala and then decided that I had enough power on tap to get me into trouble. Specifications of the TRIFECTA Performance Chevrolet Impala MY2014+ 3.6 LFX ECM software reprogramming: -Gains of +14 ft-lbs and +20 WHP under the curve (and +14 ft-lbs and +16 WHP peak on 91 octane) -Powertrain calibration has been tested and validated for various environments, such as cold/heat, elevation, and variations in fuel quality -Power feels linear and immediately responsive (improved drivability and throttle attentiveness) -Retains all GM OE diagnostics and ECM functionality -Retains all OE error code reporting and functionality -Emissions readiness checks are present; emissions compliant -Maintains functionality of ABS and TC systems -Knock detection mechanisms and OE engine knock detection sensitivity is retained -The TRIFECTA flash loader and Transparency featureset does not increment the ECM write counter or increment entries in the flash history -Return to stock functionality included with flash loader Can the gains for the Regal 2.0 be expected on the Verano 2.0 as well? I couldn't find any numbers for the Verano but if that were the case the Verano Turbo would be one dang quick car.

True, I guess I also threw in SUVs up to suburban/expedition size in my head. I probably should have clarified that.

No it does not yet have aftermarket goodies, but it's inevitable. Every other GM turbo has brand name tunes available and an unlocked ECU for private tuners. I bet the performance goodies will blow up once it's in the Cruze and other vehicles. Just one regular family sedan won't have too many aftermarket complained with knocks on their door asking for exhaust or intakes.. But it's inevitable that they will use the 1.5 in a handful of vehicles. If people get lucky it could be the performance SS option in the Sonic. That's help the aftermarket option!

An easy way to justify the cost of a brand new one would be "investment". I have to believe a car like this would appreciate in value if you only drive it a few times a year to make sure it gets driven and parts moved. But what car over 300hp ISN'T overkill? Once you pass 300hp everything is overkill. Even up to 300hp isn't necessary.