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Ahhhhh! so it is a 4-cylinder! Well, I guess that justifies why I thought it was a 4-cylinder this whole time, lol.

Dang, that's impressive. That means that in the real world you could realistically expect a 35mpg truck rolling around(with a light foot and modest speeds). Ya know what? For some reason I didn't realize till now that the 2.8 was a v6. For some reason I was thinking it was a large 4, probably because turbo diesels have done that before. I could see anybody who puts even a decent amount of miles on their trucks to be able to justify the additional price.

That white Colorado looks awesome!! What's one of those kits cost? Not sure but they look secksi as HECK lifted! yeah! They really don't even look like a "small" truck at all when lifted. Not like they do not lifted either but even more so with that lift kit and aftermarket wheels. I see the same thing....iPhone 6, Safari browser... Well..at least it isn't just mine..lol

That white Colorado looks awesome!! What's one of those kits cost?

Has the moble site slightly changed for anybody else? You can't click the "new content" link because it is staggered under the "main menu" link unless I turn my phone sideways. Anybody else? I have an iPhone 6.

Haaaaaaappy birthday, Drew!

Heck, once the car is on lots it will be even less than 24months of being on sale without it.

Interesting there is a possible diesel. Do you think with it being a GM they would ask Duramax to build it for them and advertise it as a Duramax to utilize their reputation..even though it is a top tier luxury automobile?

Why does Mercedes sell anything that isn't AMG quad turbo V8s? V8s are all the rage in luxury. It isn't like technology isn't cheering it's head into the mix with crazy powered 6s and 4s. I thought it was pretty well established that the 4 will be for A: the Chinese market with very stringent regulations on displacement and B: professional drivers who don't give a crap about the engine as they are paid drivers and the company hiring them is footing the bills for the car and fuel. Uh oh, I just realized that not every BMW is locked down with a V8 either. Heck even their beloved M3/4 is a turbo 6 now.

I actually think it's a pretty neat idea. We will see where it goes from here.

Every actual Ford application of the 2.0T in large cars/crossovers disagrees with your assertion that the 2.0T would make a good option in the Colorado. I wasn't saying turbos lack bottom end, I was pointing out that it requires full boost to make it. There is some degree of lag when you're stopped and put your foot on the gas, it's just way more obvious with 4000 lbs of car to move. You are correct that the publications do not like it but if you stuck a n/a 2.5 they would like that waaaay less. The only thing, if I recall correctly, was the mpg, right? I mean it isn't the top engine in any of the vehicles you pointed out so it isn't expected to haul ass. Actually, if I am correct it is(was) the base engine in the Explorer and Edge and there were n/a V6s and ecoboost v6 above it. The most recent version in the Edge it was just on the toes of the n/a v6. This is all of-opic but the point of it was that the 2.0 EcoBoost in the 4309lb Edge did a fantastic job and it was on the heels of the n/a v6 and was still within the mpg ratings(which we all know if good news for an EcoBoost..lol) http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2015-ford-edge-titanium-20t-ecoboost-awd-test-review

What actually is a press kit?

I don't see how the 2.5 would do a single thing better than the 2.0T(even detuned for more economy and further distance from the 3.6). I have to agree with hyper here, modern tubo cars spool virtually instantaneous and are designed around the low end and not top end. For instance, the Ford 2.0 can create max boost at 2000rpm. That's very much so the bottom end. If I were to knock the smal turbo motors it would be the top end in a race rather than daily drivability.

Honestly, it doesn't matter to me because my point was that there is just sooooo many "vehicles"(lol) filling voids for such a small amount of people that the concern of spreading their money out to these vehicles that aren't selling that great but it "fills a void" will eventually bite them in the butt..because there will NOT be a sustained growth like there is right now. Stupid cars like the 3/4 Series Grand Turismo?!?! X4, X6, GLE Coupe?!? We continue to talk about Cadillac's lack of a lineup but let's say they finally fill it out with like 5 more vehicles..then sales spread out among all the lux companies that much more and there's less pie for everybody at that point, right? I mean just because another company fills out a lineup doesn't mean that 1,000,000 more people will be buying lux cars across the board. The pie is slowly growing(as populations grow) but each piece is getting smaller and smaller as there are more and more options to choose from. At what point is enough? When will there be too many choices that the companies cannot recoup their investmetns and we go back to a ridiculous recession? Olds, I was responding to your Blue GT350R pic when the hooligans got'r locked up. But was the that blue that the car was showed in? If so..it isn't available. Which is a shame because it is a gorgeous shade of blue. While I love the color I still have a spot for "magnetic". I tend to like my white->black colors.

Well.. No matter what anybody else thinks of the car and it's awkward pricing compared to their other cars I think it is one heck of a looker. I cannot wait to see one of these in person.

Speaking of Lexus, and I apologize for going off topic, but have you seen these yet??? I know it isn't brand new but WTF. The front end proportions are just all over the place. Nothing about it makes sense to me. I've seen a few in person and I saw a commercial the other day and I was just like "no.". Terrible looking. Their smaller new CUVs with the similar styling look really sharp to me, in person. But this full sizer..ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! Beleive it or now, this picture I found is a decent pic of it. It doesn't show off it's attrocious front end enough.

I think part of the issue is referring to all of those vehicles as "models" They aren't models... they are trims and body styles. The Germans are by far the worst in this with BMW being the most absurd. It was an article I had intended to write last year but work took precedence. I went back and looked at my notes. If you go buy what BMW considers a unique model, they have 98 (!!!) models in their lineup (as of December 2014)... but that's because they consider the 28 variants of the 3/4 series to all be unique models. .... as a matter of fact, maybe I should finish that article. You are correct. I labeled them incorrectly. While the Germans are the worst I fear that everybody is growing that route with cars like the ST/GT/RS(don't get me wrong, I LOVE the idea of more performance cars in a lineup) but they cost money and eventually people won't be buying at the rate we are right now. I was just curious if I was the only one who had thought of this as a growing concern that could possibly put us back where we were in 08-09 if we slow down our rate of purchase.

Top of the page bump. And thanks dfelt. I'm afraid that their margains will slowly diminish because there are so many different products and only so many different ones can sell at a high enough rate to profit.

Call me a conspiracy theorist if you feel like it...but... Does anybody else worry that the automotive companies are starting to thin themselves out too far again? I mean look at BMW and MB and how they offer 78 different GLE/X5 variants and that can be said through both entire lineups. We are consistantly getting new niche vehicles from nearly evrey company, more and more performance variants within each lineup, there's an AMG and M for everything, ST/GT/RS for Fords and it sounds like they're only expanding, rumors of a full size Ram SUV, Chevy has two identical lineups and both are looking to add new vehicles to them.. Last time there were multiple brands involved but this time I feel like it is less brands(obviously) but expanding lineups to fill all of these voids but eventually people won't be buying cars again. It's just the cycle of economics, highs and lows. What happens when people can't afford cars again at the clip we're buying them right now? They'll be back where they once were, I feel. So, does anybody else kind of worry about this in the back of their minds as well or am I the only one?

That isn't too good considering nearly the entire automotive market is way up right now.

AB-SO-LUTELY! As far as I know a portion of a post cannot simply just disappear without a moderator fiddling with it or the "edited by:" appearing at the bottom(look below for example ). I think the bigger issue would be one reading what one wants to read rather than possibly giving somebody the benefit of the doubt when talking about a subjective aspect of a car, looks.

I could not agree more. They are just outrageously priced. It's stupid when you build a vehicle online and have absolutely no clue what you'd actually pay at a dealer because there are consistantly different rebates and incentives going around.

Actually if you look at it closely incentives can be actually be part of a solution for maximizing revenue or lowering costs. Simply put, they are gaining more in revenue by offering incentives, that they could without. Sound business strategy. And same of GM. Brand new truck really, with incentives pushing 10k very soon. INCENTIVES aren't bad folks, especially if it maximizes the bottom-line. Not really. Say you make 11 grand profit at a dealer negotiated price. If you knock 10k off that price it drives the profit down to 1 grand, Hence you have to sell 11 trucks at the incentive price to make the same amount of profit as if you could sale one at full price. In any case, they all do it, but he F-150 is the newest of the bunch and to be seeing such lofty discounts is no a good thing. If I'm not wrong, some of those dealer incentives are at the dealer's expense not Fords. So while some incentives are costing Ford profit(it's arguable that they would sell any at ful msrp) some are costing the dealer profits while Ford walks away with their full asking price to the dealers. Also, every mainstream manufacturer does it and they all do it all the time, not just after the new model year of a new vehicle. If they are showing their heavy discounts and continuing to increase their profits I'm sure the only people concerned about the incentive are the ones on the internet because they're doing juuuuust fine.

I know it won't add sales directly.. but it would grab some enthusiasts' attention and possibly just the general public's attention and get some indirect sales.

WTF. I can't get over how freakin' badass that car looks. 7.32.19. That puts it ahead of some pretty gnarly cars and 32nd all-time.