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New/clean oil is usualy slightly thicker as well as nothing has broken down/diluted with fuel(direct injection engines).

I fit in the 3rd row of a Traverse and Durango just fine thanks. Yeah I've been in the 3rd row of an Acadia once and a new Explorer once for a 4-5 hr trip and it honestly was not bad at all. There was quite a bit of space back there. Granted, I'm not the largest person(5'8" - 180lbs) but still a full size adult that means you could have something that size for a growing family.

I believe the next Nox and Terrain will be downsized a bit to more closely match the direct competition in size. At the moment, they are tweeners that sit between CRV and (old) Pilot in size, yet still smaller than the other tweener from Ford, the Edge. This would give GM some room between the Nox and Traverse for a Blazer type vehicle. Well color me a little more intrigued now.. Depending how it all pans out(and life) I could see looking into one of these in a few years once they're used and the Escape is on its way out. I actually love the Edge's size. It's larger than the Escape but it's still a 5 seater so it isn't gargantuan. Especially because I do not need more than 5 seats. Actually, I utilized all 5 in my Escape for the first time this weekend. Just a short trip bringing people home from the bar but that's one thing my Mustang never could have done.

Why do you use such thick oil? 20w50 is THICK stuff. Actually, I didn't even know they made a high mileage oil in that thick of a viscocity.That may not be the exact viscosity, that's what came up when I googled it...I remember the brand and that it was a high mileage blend (Jeep 4.0L w 162k miles) I think, don't quote me though, that the thickest high mileage oils are 10-40. Edit: I stand corrected. Castrol does offer a 20-50 High mileage oil. Personally, unless you beat on that vehicle really hard and have leaks.. I wouldn't go with anything that thick. I could see something with some age and miles using a 10-40 when it's probably spec'd to 10-30 but I couldn't justify using something so thick like 20-50.

There are a lot of people who don't even want to deal with dealerships because the sales people are there just to take their money. They can be very pressuring and that intimidates a lot of people. Not everybody is an enthusiast and knows everything about the cars before we leave our house to go to a dealer. I think what the D3 should really do is analyze their dealerships and redo how they sell cars. Make it an enjoyable experience rather than a stressful situation which most find it to be. They should use their dealerships as their advantage to showcasing cars and service and person to person contact. But going to an "internet-like" sales model would make nobody ever feel like they are getting ripped off or intimidated..or pressurized.. I see positives to both models. Personally, if the sate of Michigan is truly set on not allowing direct sales there are ways they should allow a small company to sell cars. Maybe they could put a cap on how many vehicles they are allowed to sell before having to put up dealerships or they could go the dollar route and say at X dollars of net income or revenue(whichever number they choose it really all adds up to roughly the same amount of cars sold. I guess I just don't see how a new company can even enter the market if they are forced to put up dealerships right out of the gate. Allow a small company get their feet wet for however long it takes as long as they are still considered a small company, then allow them to do direct sales. If the company wants to grow then make them build dealerships and "play by the same rules" as everybody else(whether right or wrong).

I think that is awfully dependent on your oil choice. If the vheicle/manual only require a conventional oil but you run a full syn then there shouldn't be any issues running it down to 0%.

Why do you use such thick oil? 20w50 is THICK stuff. Actually, I didn't even know they made a high mileage oil in that thick of a viscocity. I do...but I can almost guarantee it is all in my head..lol

Hate to break it to you, but without the $20 rebate, those prices suck. At regular walmart price, I get a 5 qt jug for under $25 (not sure what the exact going rate is right now) plus $8 for another qt. I get my ACDelco rebadged Mobil 1 Extended filter for $11 on Amazon. You'd think Costco could do better on the base prices than that! I was thinking the same thing. Mobil at my local Walmart is ~26 bucks and unless it is an internal/cartrige style filter then 20 bucks is outrageous! Even if it were 20 dollars is high.

lol sure are! Ahhh I'd probably get slack for using a syn for only 5k miles... Nice score on the Mobil 0-30! I wish I could find that exact deal, I'd use it in my Escape.

And I hope Tesla flips the establishment on it's old ear. No one company has the right to tell another company how to sell their product. The tactics being used by the old guard are typical of companies that are scared of change. To them I say, suck it up buttercup. Change is coming. You can adapt or get left behind. Yeah, thanks, but I don't believe any 'company' is telling any other 'company' how or what to sell. Not sure where in Hades you got that from. The 'old guard' companies are simply hedging their bets by selling EVERYTHING and more power to them. Yes they are trying to tell them what to do via lobbying through states like Michigan by saying that they can't sell there unless they do it through a dealer network. That is the very definition of telling someone how and what they can sell. That is what in Hades I got that from. If you believe anything else, well then it is pure blindness on your part but not surprising given that your employer is one of the companies lobbying hard against Tesla. Nope, sorry.....lobbying for fairness in Michigan is hardly....HARDLY....the same thing as 'telling companies' how to run their business. You sir, are the blind one. Clearly. Nice try, when you clearly misspoke. My point again, is that fairness is the name of the game here. Fairness would NOT be defined by allowing Tesla their own business model that is exclusive. So if the industry wants a different business model, lobby for that. No sweat off my brow and I would welcome it in fact. But until then, a level playing field should be allowed and respected. You've yet to answer the simple question, "why is it fair to tell somebody HOW to sell their product?" Yes, there are laws telling them how to sell them. Does that make the laws correct or out of date? Here's an extreme example of laws not necessarily being right, slavery. That was considered "right" at one point. Was it? Was that FAIR?

And I hope Tesla flips the establishment on it's old ear. No one company has the right to tell another company how to sell their product. The tactics being used by the old guard are typical of companies that are scared of change. To them I say, suck it up buttercup. Change is coming. You can adapt or get left behind. +1.5million.

You manage to sully Ford in nearly every post you make. May I suggest the same. How is it fair to force HOW somebody sells their product? Why is making somebody build a dealer and pay people to sell their product fair?You don't force any other industry to go through a "dealer network" so why does a car have to be different? Perhaps you missed it the first time I typed it, so I will bold font it for you..... Maybe you didn't realize the question I asked.. What about that is actually fair? Just because those are the rules doesn't mean they are actually fair. That basically makes it impossible for a new automaker to join the battle. IMO, I think they could retain the bull$h! dealer network thing but I think they could allow direct sales for small companies. Maybe put a cap on either sales or revenue/net income/profit that will only allow they to sell so many vehicles before needing to form a dealer network. This will allow a smaller company to start up with waaaay less necessary costs to get their feet under them.

How is it fair to force HOW somebody sells their product? Why is making somebody build a dealer and pay people to sell their product fair? You don't force any other industry to go through a "dealer network" so why does a car have to be different?

It sounds like you described Tesla as well there though. Pioneer. Nobody combined ideas like his. Prisoner of his own vision.

Meh. It's a win on price.. Terrible job on the comparison. It's a "value" win. I guess a win is a win though.

What size vehicle is this? This is like the Nox/Terrain size, right?

Yeah Mercedes and BMW use a lot but they were of the first to implement 10k oil changes(or once a year but that's everything). My former C350 took 8.5. It shouldn't be about 100. If you just buy the 5qt jugs and don't mind the little extra sitting or even wasting it the cost isn't as bad because 27x2 plus 10-15 filter. That's about 50. Now if you're about the single qts then you'll blow a hole in your wallet at about 8-9 bucks a quart. I also enjoy changing my oil because I know how it's done and I'm super anal about keeping things clean and letting it drain. I know dealers aren't as anal about it as I am. But when it comes to warranty and not wanting ANY liability of your own then the dealer is a no brainier..you just pay for it.

Standard Mobil 1? Or do you run any of the "extended performance" or "high mileage"? 5-20, 10-30, 5-30 for those three vehicles?

" “We’re an American company that is building cars in the United States that is using over 55 Michigan suppliers — that is spending over $120 million in parts and components from Michigan suppliers to build American-made cars. Why shouldn’t we be allowed to sell in Michigan?” Chen went on to say." I thought this little line within the reading was pretty awesome. While they are asking for a level playing field they also realize they're doing this to a company not yet profiting. It screams more "fear" that just wanting a level playing field at this point. Had Tesla been making tons of money and actually stealing sales from the D3 I could see it a little different. but at this point we're talking about a company that's relatively small being banned form one state because they decide to sell their vehicles differently than they do. Hyper, you made very good points.

Must have finalized it after a few and

I know almost all of us have vehicles that need their oil changed and as enthusiasts most of us do them on our own, I would assume. Well let's post our oil changes as we go, just for the heck of it. Discuss oil, filters, intervals, anything oil change related. I used to work in the oil change and tire industry and I grew a weird passion for the topics so they're fun to talk about for me. Well, Let's hear it! Here's kind of a general format(and my most recent oil change): 2013 Ford Escape 2.0T AWD 08/17/15 Out: Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 5w-30 Filter: Purolator Synthetic 4950 miles on oil. In: Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 5w-30 Filter: Bosch 'Premium' 3300

Yeah I'm pretty sure almost all new cars don't even list a mileage in the owners manual, come to think of it. They just want you do go by the oil life monitor because they take into account short trips, idling, reving hard, etc. I don't know what my manual says either. I just know I use spec above the ratings and I change it before my indiator goes off. I stick to right around 5k miles but that's just out of habit more than anything else. Have you changed yours yourself yet or has your dealer taken care of them for you? Just curious if it's an easy change or if there was anything tricky about it. They probably have a skid plate that has to be removed. Hopefully they would just put cutouts in the skid plate but they don't always do that.

I'm actually impressed that Ram made the ProMaster as ugly as they did. It almost takes effort to make something look that ugly. Whew, up to 18,500 miles per oil change interval for the ProMaster with the 3.0 diesel. 'Bong, what intervals does your manual spec? And what do you do?

I think it looks better than the concept. Not too bad looking if a car for a function over form vehicle. I'm quite intrigued to read more on this when the magazines get to drive them some more. I'd actually really like Car and Driver to get one for a year because the winter months with zero-sub zero temperatures are what worry me about full EV cars. What kind of range do you lose when you have to defrost a car and the batteries are at those temps.

Welcome!