surreal1272

He is not even close to that bad lol. At least Balth will engage in a meaningful discussion. He is right about Toyota to a point. Some of their models are just "blah" and have some issues the days that Toyotas are not normally known for (looking at the cheapness of the RAV 4 here) but there is literally not one SUV that hold a candle to the 4Runner and the LC in terms of long term reliability plus killer resale. Could they use a real update? Sure but by the same token, why fix what isn't broken? The 4Runner continues to sell well.

It never came down. It was on the market for at least half a dozen other nations. That would be a solid argument if it weren’t for two things. 1. They (4Runners) were just as solid in 2009 as they are now. 2. Again, forty years of reliability.

Name one SUV made in the last forty years that is more reliable long term (sorry but recalls do not mean "unreliable") while having killer resale like the 4Runner (go ahead and sprinkle in the Land Cruiser while you're at it).

BS. I made my obvious joke while actually discussing the subject at hand, unlike yourself. You never, NOT ONCE, answered my original question (which was for you to tell us how you think you know the potential EV market better than EVERY auto company out there) which is what created the joke in the first place. Why? Because all you do is troll. Now, having said that, here's the kicker (and evidence you provide yourself). If the subject has been beaten to death then why the hell do you keep coming back to it and contribute nothing? Again, because you're trolling (or what you call "entertaining"). Pathetic considering you are the one who requested this subject matter take place here instead of Random Thoughts, all simply because you were tired of seeing it (and apparently because you have never heard of the "ignore" button"). You want others to follow the rules while you flaunt and ignore them, again, just like the outgoing president I'm sure you voted for). That is what has been "beat to death". How about holding yourself to the same standard that you ask of everyone else here? Can you actually do that? Somehow, I sincerely doubt it. Now, lets see which sentence you "cherry pick" in your reply while ignoring literally everything else that has been said. Again, not following rules you set for everyone else.

It’s still an engine that runs on gasoline and produces emissions. And after more than a century, why hasn’t there been any savings there because whether you want to agree with it or not, there is a BIG difference in where battery tech has been the last twenty years and where ICE has been for the last hundred. You are simply not holding ICE to the same standard that you are applying to EVs. And again, that cost savings may be further down the road than David is implying because, as I have already stated, he never gave a date or event for this to happen. Don’t know why this had to be repeated but apparently I didn’t make it clear enough the first time. And regarding your Kona comparison, it starts at $20,400 for a base model while the better equipped electric gets a $7500 fed credit taking it down to $30K. I’m just skipping the part where a loaded ICE Kona is far north of $30K.

Nothing happens overnight and its sounds like thats your core issue instead of understanding the fundamental reality of things time in a very competitive world. The current COVID/political environment does not help. It’s been really only in the last decade that the tech has even been allowed to exist in an ICE dominated world (forget the fact that auto companies AND the oil industry fought AGAINST battery tech for decades). Yes, David has said what he said but he also never gave a date for it. Again, a case of impatience for a tech you don’t really seem to care for in the first place but you have no personal use for it. Oh and battery tech is changing, ie solid state tech which is far more than can be said for the last hundred years of the internal combustion engine and the power of gasoline.

Maybe not the best example but the basic tech for ICE has not changed in the last century yet not one savings passed onto the consumer. Maybe, like EVs, it’s not just about the source of propulsion as far as price increases go. That’s the ultimate point here. So nothing of value to add to the discussion. No answers to my original questions. Just more trolling, more deflection, more BS. No wonder you worship the outgoing administration. You are not cerebral. You are a joke at this point and just about everyone here knows it.

While you talk about the 2% EV market share here and wondering why companies are investing heavily, you ignore that other part of market share involving the REST OF THE WORLD. Again, tell us how you think you know more than EVERY other auto manufacturer out there without your normal level of trolling and deflection. Don’t worry. I’ll wait.

GM wasn’t the only one mentioned genius and you talk a big game on GM for someone who bought one of their trucks.

Engines like the 5.3L and the tech behind them have dropped in price over the years while the Silverado they go in have not. That’s the point here. How about you stop deflecting and answer my first set questions there? Of course, maybe its you that doesn’t understand but thats not new, since you have never offered anything of value here. You know what? F him. No matter what answer to you give, no matter the facts that contradict his sorry excuses, he just sticks his fingers in his ears screaming “NO NO NO NO! EVS BAD! NO NO NO NO!” Because he’s so “cerebral”. Quite honestly, he will never understand it because I’m convinced that an EV harmed him in some way. Maybe he can show us on a doll one day.

Go ahead and explain why ICE prices never go down while you’re at it, even though the tech is over a century old. The ones above are incremental with the Leaf being understandable since 2021 is NEW model with longer range and more options.

Because I’m sure you’ve talked to everyone in this country to make such a determination. Tell us how you know better than GM marketing. Tell us how you know better than Ford marketing. Tell us how you better than ANY car manufacturer, for that matter. This how you can make your statement ring true as opposed to it sounding completely and utterly full of s***, like any other time you mention EVs.

Maybe because you weren’t really promoting walking as much as dismissing EVs, yet again. You are not that cerebral. Stop pretending you are.

So is trolling somewhere else yet here you are.

Other companies like Ford and GM are working on the lower priced market. Lucid can price their cars as high as they want, for that rich crowd that doesn't care so much about the median price. Also, considering that the median price keeps going up, it may be moot to harp on about EV prices right now anyway. As long as there are $30K three cylinder cars for sale (looking at you "top of the line" Trailblazer), I'm not going to split hairs over EV prices being what they are.

And? Rich peoples money ain't no good?

Oh come on! You dug that ridiculous hole! Why stop now? Why the hesitation to hold states like Texas to the same standard as you apply to California? You claim CA folks are just a bunch of “whiny brats” and then act like you had your “gotcha” moment about secession while ignoring the fact that red states were doing it long before Cali.

And out of those four redundant articles, name on state legislator or politician that actually sponsored a bill for secession like Texas did. Also, consider the fact that a dozen red states already beat California to the punch in 2008 and 2012. 2020, for reference, https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/529926-texas-gop-chair-appears-to-suggest-secession-after-scotus-rejects 2012 https://www.cbsnews.com/news/states-petition-to-secede-from-union/ https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2012/11/13/white-house-flooded-with-secession-petitions-after-obama-re-election Plenty of others like that but, unlike yourself, I'll save you the redundancy. Point being, two things. One, if you're going to criticize California like that, then you have to include all those red states and especially that hellhole known as Texas which leads to point two which is clearly that the red states were producing snowflakes (or "whiny brats", if you will) eight years before California, all because a black democrat was in office. Pot, meet kettle. SHALL I GO ON?

8500lbs carrying capacity, not towing capacity. That rate has steadily gone down in the last fifty years for the top one percent. Baffling you don't seem to see the issue there. By your logic, where do you put the pin at the bottom?

You understand that doesn’t change my point at all right? Just skip over the fact that fifty years ago, that same 1% paid even more (without so many of the current loopholes) and many folks claim that’s when this country was so “great”. Point being that the top 1% rarely ever actually pay their “fair share” these days so we can just drop the semantics quite honestly.

No. It is still your assessment because you only used one measure to make your determination. You cannot make a statement about taxes and rich without acknowledging the many loopholes the rich use to sidestep that 27%. That is a statement of fact. Not really. I don’t get the same tax loopholes that say, Jeff Bezos, gets. It’s just that simple. “Evil corporations” engage in self preservation of their own industries, the rest of us be damned. It’s not even a debatable point. Feel free to use Wal-Mart as an example.

Damn those Audi EVs and their electrical problems (which has been said for the last forty years or so but sure, let’s just think it’s an “EV” problem).

(Looks for the part where states like California actively tried to secede from the union in 2016 and finds nothing, unlike Texas today). And if certain folks hate CA so much, let’s just imagine what happens when you cut out the fifth largest economy in the world and then they stop sending their massive tax dollars to the feds to support all the other states. For all of California’s flaws, nothing beats the whining coming from certain subsections of the country. That’s all I’ll say about that because god forbid even a hint of politics show up before the resident whiner here starts complaining. The many loopholes in the current tax system would disagree with your assessment. That’s why certain folks only paid $750 just a few years back.

Then I had a dyslexic moment. Got Rivian crossed with Nikola. Sure me. It would probably help if you’d stop cherry picking a piece of someone’s comment so as to remove all doubt as to what you speak. That’s a tactic reserved for the news, not such a cerebral person as yourself. Be better.

Which was always doomed because why would GM invest in another company's pickup when they have their own plans for their models. Meanwhile, more American jobs, this time in Arizona where it's sorely needed. https://www.azcentral.com/story/money/business/energy/2020/12/01/lucid-motors-factory-az-completed-manufacturing-begin-2021/6407567002/