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I think if they can fix the CTS problem, that would help, new XT5 should be a huge boon. I would increase Escalade production too.

among the most egregious sins are a loss of 4+ inches of hip room in row 2 and 5+ inches of hip room in row 3. This becomes a max 6 passenger vehicle. Acadia was one of the few true 8 passenger vehicles available on the market. Cargo goes from 116cf to 79cf. that's almost a third of cargo loss. All this for what is looking like 1 mpg gain, despite new engine and start stop, trannies, and all that and several hundred pounds of weight loss. Also highly telling, the current Terrain and this new Acadia are practically the same in front hip room. GMC and fanbois of GM can spin this all they want......on other msg board and forums across the net, lots of folks are not liking the downsize. I just don't think you tinker with what was so well accepted. People wanted a large car based SUV that was not a truck like Yukon. it's been wildly successful, it was a unique market benefit, and now you throw it in to a group stuffed with competition, will bring less demand and price, and it won't push more people into Yukons because they never wanted a truck to begin with. It doesn't touch the Grand Cherokee on style, reputation, and comfort, prob not on powertrain either. They should have stayed in the market space they were in. As a GMC Envoy, this would be perfect. If they decide to stretch this, they should at least have had this ready for market at the get go. The cladding looks horrendous. A commenter from another forum site

U do realize that the new levels will be Yukon XL, Yukon, Acadia, Terrain.. and a vehicle, possibly Granite (?) under that right? Also... as said before by myself and a few others.. the option for a LWB is not out of the question i sure hope the returning Acadia lessees have that option of that XL available to them when they turn in the ones they have. Both the regular version and the "XL" should be available at the same time, launch so there are no gaps for the lessees.

The south american trailblazer is based on the Colorado and it's no featherweight. The Acadia is FWD/AWD on the heavily modified Lambda platform, I'm not sure GM's new coding for it. It's on a new platform called C1XX. No real sharing with Lambda to speak of. Shared with the new XT5. Here are my shots of the GMC Acadia from the show. To me, this is the biggest evidence that the Terrain will shrink significantly next refresh. In 5-passenger trim, the Acadia is dangerously close to the Terrain in interior room with almost all of the extra space happening behind the 2nd row. seems like the wheelbase and length are Dodge Journey sized more than anything. If the width of the vehicle is comparable to the Journey, then in fact yes, it's going down towards Terrain sized. In another thread somewhere, I suggested what GM was probably doing was something along the lines of the last XL-7......something more akin to a stretched equinox. Dimensions maybe not far off that? (i have yet to see the width of the 17 Acadia). GM's not going to lower the price, but it will move a whole size class down. This does not seem like a recipe for success. Time will tell. I just remember when the Lambdas came out. Everyone loved the package. People traded in their Blazers and Envoys and Raniers and stuff en masse. People like my wife's boss when they get kids go to buy the first CUV and gush over the new Acadia they get because adults can sit in the third row. Wanted the GMC because they didn't want the Chevy and they wanted something trucky. Now GM is taking that away. Take away the size, the style, etc. Makes no sense. A 2017 with a 3.6 may end up getting 1 mpg more on the EPA. In the real world, you may or may not see that either. Ask an owner of a 2008 Saturn Vue V6 if they get any better mpg than someone driving a 2008 Acadia. Yeah, it's not going to get hardly nay better real world mpg. Of course I am of the mindset that the Terrain and Equinox shouldn't downsize (their interior space). Escape is a nice garagable size but some may find it a bit small. CRv has nice space but the whole package their is a tin rattle trap. GM can take the weight out of their products without making them into CRv's. I get that the product groups are global now, but GM is seriously cutting themselves in the foot on this one. I guess its time to pick up a Dodge Journey. you driven anything with the 2.5? There's a reason its being banished to the trucks and CUV's.......

Explorer has deficiencies in packaging due to it's too short of wheelbase and long overhangs. Explorer is closer in length to the current Acadia than this new one.

700 pounds is probably misleading, if that comparison is a crude in line 4 cylinder no one wants compared to the old v6. When apples to apples get out on the scale it won't be 700 pounds difference we are talking about. The other misleading assumption is that creating more spacing between an Acadia and Yukon is what people want. People buy the Acadia because of the efficIent packaging and car chassis. You get a Yukon for the truck frame and different ride and drive that the truck gives. You put up with the horrendously inefficient rear seat and cargo packaging as a sacrifice for the truck frame (even though navigator seems to do this right) It's why people buy ridge lines vs f 150s. They ride and drive different and specialize in different ways.

Despite mythical 'overlap' here, GM is taking a hugely successful anchor product for GMC and basically gutting it and redefining it. Acadia saved and made GMC relevant for a lot of buyers, in particular during a rough patch in the economy. You're going to now ask a lot of non enthusiast buyers, who know exactly what an Acadia is, to completely change what it is. You have no proof they wanted it to change, and no guarantee people want a frame based Yukon or any guarantee that the enclave wasn't a better option to downsize. Plus there are people who liked the choice of enclave vs terrain. On top of that the looks are ruined, it doesn't look as tough or as premium. And a four cylinder will illicit laughter. This is part of a strategy of having to comply with fuel economy regs and emissions crap. Crossovers are booming so much there is no way gmc had to do this. To introduce this new sized vehicle it should have gotten the envoy name or a new name. Sort of reeks of 'what is a CTS' anymore. We all know how successful that is. Acadia was a success because it was larger than a grand Cherokee. All gmc needed to do was add a model to take that on. Redefining what an Acadia is is a mistake. Even if they think the name equity is what ultimately helps them. 2013 Malibu. Look at what good making it smaller did for them there too.

it will be interesting to see how many ATS coupes sold in 2015, divide that in two and that's about how many 'Avistas' (nice Spanish sounding name) will sell in the US......but we can't sell any all wheel drive midsize sedans.......... coupes are not just a 'tough sell'...they are almost an impossibility in the age of crossovers and sport sedans that are called coupes. If they sell 15,000 globally, fine, a liftback Insignia makes far more sense here. Need proof, the new Cruze is coming as a hatchback instead of a coupe.

the downsize is a mistake. The Acadia was hugely successful, they still need an Acadia sized entry in the showroom. This would have been better off as 'Envoy'.

I'm not feeling this car. No sex appeal, and doesn't register genuine luxury either.

well GM just went and threw a successful product in the trash everyone I know who got Acadias did so because of the size, esp the third row...... they could have brought back the Envoy name...

much better looking, (except the rear doors look out of proportion) ....should appeal to Honda bangers.....interior does not look trucky at all, this thing does have a following, looks like a good update for those that liked the last one.

GC + T&C sales maybe came close to 200k last year? nothing to sneeze at But GM will chase Buick coupes with a Camaro and ATS already out there, right? There's always going to be those that want to haul a couch or have sliding doors for babies and kids, Chrysler invented the minivan, canadians love them, it's still a great segment for them now that we see they didn't hose up the powertrain, the design, or the size. Chrysler not selling vans would be like GM not selling suburbans.

coupes don't sell (aside from pony cars) anymore, globalization or not, hard to make a case to sell it (with an ATS coupe out there at least) nice way to rile up the masses i guess

this ^^^^^ thanks for saving me a bunch of typing which Buick style is this now, btw, is it the let's make our best Asian car the chinese will like, or the best knockoff Opel, or ????

Wow. I am shocked Sergio didn't fk this up. Looks great ! I had thought it was inevitable we would be turning in our 2015 town and country when our lease is done in 24 months but now it's evident to me that rolling into a new lease may be a good choice. I'm cool with the name change. Town and country sounds way older than Pacifica. And Pacifica has name equity. Biggest thing for me is the 3.6 comes back and the physical siZe stays the same.

of course we had a taurus X and it was fantastic......drove like a car.....great hauling capability.....third row was even good. Fold down front seat meant 10 foot items could fit....even did the christmas trees inside the car. Close to a minivan as we could get without getting a van. got rid of it when the tranny and some AWD bits started acting up. But I think that's not isolated to that vehicle. Flex is the same vehicle with a stretch. A good Taurus X around 100k miles should be under ten grand, but for sure get the extended warranty. The issues we had did not seem like isolated events for just our Taurus X based upon my internet research. They seemed often enough that it made me think hanging on to mine was going to cost me. Our Aztek was good...until the tranny acted up also. We had just fwd. But boy could it haul stuff. Rendevous is good. Love our new pentastar chrysler van. They drive nicer than you'd expect and the engine is quite good. MIght surprise you how inexpensive those can get....or Routans even. Be sure to go 2012+ with the pentastar. Looked into a Magnum before also. Always wanted to find a 2008 Magnum v6 AWD. Tough to find, those have the new front end and the nicer interior. Then they killed it after they fixed it. I even did research on the mercedes R class diesel.....avoid those, those have a bad rep....or buy a REALLY good warranty. What else would you expect from a used German vehicle? Lots of people like those original Honda Pilots. Mitsubishi Endeavor was actually a great ride but it REALLY sucked gas and it says you need to use premium for those. Fuel costs with 13-15 mpg and premium will kill you if gas goes up. Prob some of those a bit large and not really wagons but i know they are good value for the $$$$

the Germans, yes I agree....they don't want to or can't compete on mainstream simplicity.

right. especially in China too, look at what the Chinese like.....dullness but looks like luxury.

long time volvo fans will love this styling direction, and are probably rejoicing.

there has actually been several late twenty early thirty somethings i know or have worked with that bought cars in the last couple years and actually more than one or two have gotten hatchbacks. One friend got a last body 2.5 skyactiv mazda3. A new coworker got her first newer car, a 14 elantra gt. Another person i had worked with had a focus hatch. I think this cruze makes the last cruze hatch look terrible, I am glad we didn't get that. This new one, the doors look like the same sedan to hatch and the windows on the side look the same too. That is good. This Cruze reminded me of the Elantra, but its lower and more rakish looking by some. I thing now that the millennials might starting to get to be able to buy cars, i feel like the hatch segment may take off again. Crossovers may not fit their budget and may be getting stigmas as old person cars. So a hatchback can provide CUV utility but be cool. I was starting to look at Malibus pretty hard but after seeing this hatch i wonder if i should wait. This is pretty cool. Thing is, the hatch practically begs for a stick and I (and my wife whose turn it is to buy) want to go back to a slush box next time. This is getting upsetting because every new car Chevy or GM puts out I want one. So, a Cruze hatch with a stick. Next gen Cruze diesel automatic. Malibu hybrid or 2.0. Camaro 4 popper with stick or / and 6 cylinder (ok one of stick and auto for that). A CT6 and XT5 and an ATS....ok I'll take a CTS also. Give me a few Buicks too.

motor trend has one on line review where they say they like the 1.5 but i swear in the printed magazine in the COTY testing, they said something opposite. C/D hasn't tested the 1.5 yet, and that is what i would compare all the performance test data to.

WOW! better than the sedan. I bet too this means we won't ever get a 5 door Buick Astra. Will this put my other Chevy lease plans on hold?

This rocks. And its GM engineering. Perfect to bring EV back to GM. Leaf buyers will say this is too spendy but you get what you pay for. This should sell and it might actually raise Leaf sales too. No BLUBOLT for ocnblu? I'd take one of these in a HEARTBEAT http://www.motortrend.com/news/2017-chevrolet-bolt-ev-first-drive-review/ Motor Trend prototype drive ^^^^

give em credit for trying but yeah ^^^^ very noble what they are doing. Reality is to be a surviving carmaker in the future they will need insane amounts of capital investment, and a HUGE engineering staff. Doesn't matter if they sell high volume, low margin or the opposite. It's literally guaranteed that will undersign and under engineer lots of stuff on their vehicles...although suppliers of each part will help close that gap. Tesla will probably have to joint venture with a major automaker to survive. They're trying to project the history of the tech boom and dot com boom to cars. They'll miss on the automated car thing because Google and Apple and places like that will far outspend them on that. The non electronic stuff on cars every other large automaker has decades of R&D behind them that tesla either has to buy or just wing it and hope it works. As far as that tesla fire, i only posted that as an interest item. Actually i think its an example of how the electric distribution module will require more resources, and the electric only cars will never take off rabidly until that does. Here's an example. With the new Chevy Bolt, they should start putting Bolt superchargers at every chevy dealer. And then they should also create a traveling fleet of roadside assistance emergency charge vehicles so if your Bolt goes dead but you are only a few miles from a charge station, they can come and pump your vehicle on the side of the road with some juice to get it to the next supercharger station (or maybe use that as an upset to an optional service, just like an extended warranty or OnStar.). And then gas stations will need to look to start implementing a plan to put in electric superchargers. But there are so many issues to tackle. Including standardization of charging, and then electrical service and building codes. It might be best if this is globally developed and then you know how long of a boondoggle that becomes. And then as soon as they develop it, is it obsolete ? Think cell phones and cell service. Going from 3g to 4g and then LTE. What's next? Companies like GM will be able to spur that infrastructure movement on a global level. GM and Ford and other may even combine forces and do that. Tesla is giving it the college try right now they just won't ever have the muscle. Once the bigs get in and the governments too get involved and take over its game over for Tesla, the little startup that almost could. Maybe range extenders like on the volt will be typical but really truly only will be there to be a generator to charge the battery a little when your 200 mile range goes poop. Think like a 2 cylinder 600 cc motor or something.