vonVeezelsnider

Yes... but will the Canadian Gov't back our warranties is the question??

Oh dear...

Well I've figured out where the ABS module is supposed to be... and sure enough it's not there. Oh well... Let's see if the dealer plans to do anything under goodwill but I doubt it.

Yeah, I'm with Camino, it should be left as-is.

Damn! That car must have one HELL of a story. I wonder why it was just parked like that... I also noticed a Marine Corps sticker on the front bumper, could it be the car of some MIA Vietnam Soldier ?

Dean Martin

I always had a soft spot for the Henry J, and I like this one too... Very Cool!

Only a couple Dealerships (Metro Ford, Stampede Pontiac) don't block themselves off somehow when they're closed... But I do remember going with my family to test drive a 1994 Red/Gray two tone with red interior Chevy Lumina Minivan LS with the 3.8 at some point many many moons ago.

Also incidentally the Brake Master Cylinder and the area around it look just like it does in this 2007 Cobalt SS/SC pictured (which had standard ABS) so maybe the ABS 'computer' is in a different location all together (it was where you say it is on the Cavalier, Malibu and Impala though) http://lh4.ggpht.com/_t5qWcb4byi4/ReEScQcJ...eveland+188.jpg

I'd have to read to see if there's any legal precedences but CARBIZ is right on that point at least in Canada methinks... I never expected them to realistically pay to have ABS installed on the car (if that's even possible!). I don't really see any conceivable way the Dealer could make right on it either in reality although anything is possible. I went down there and showed all of the photocopies of the documents along with my story to our salesman that we've bought cars from since 1989 (that we followed as he went through three dealerships... and he was just as baffled as I, and promised me he would get to the bottom of wtf is going on ASAP- I'll see what happens.

Incidentally this was year old G5 on the used lot... not a new car. The bill of sale does not include options in this case, but it doesn't change the fact that I was given numerous documents (warranty inquiry, build sheet with RPO codes right from the General Motors system, Window Sticker, etc) that said the car had these critical safety features 'BIZ, that's not the point unfortunately. the point is that everything I was supplied with during the purchasing process showed the car as having the Enhanced Traction System, which it does not have, the enhanced traction system according to the brochure and other research I did needs ABS to function, therefore according to the spec sheet the Enhanced Traction System includes ABS, what it getting me riled is that the car has neither SAFETY FEATURE that I was told it had by the window sticker, build sheet etc... it's not a matter of standard and optional, the car is supposed to have these safety features and it doesn't... At this point I don't even want to think about a legal case, I just want to talk to the dealer first.

My "not going nuclear" response was more aimed at CaddyKing than you (more or less I don't feel like talking about suing somebody just yet) ... Also by honest mistake I mean that I don't think the dealer deliberately deceived me so I don't think they'll be uncooperative in helping me find an acceptable solution, but hell if I have to get a little tough that's what's gonna happen. As for the Cobalt, it's a good pic . Don't worry, I still intend to go down there and be firm, and get an explanation as to why this happened, and get a solution. I really appreciate your posts btw they've been insightful for me in preparing to go down there today.

Yup I have all the documentation including a 2007 G5 brochure that I have kept on file... but I'm not going to jump to nuclear launch phase until I can talk to my dealer tomorrow... I'd like to think it's an honest mistake, I mean I have no reason to think otherwise... We'll see what they tell me tomorrow.

Neither a TC Light or an ABS light come on but I never really paid attention to that until it became obvious today... But I'm pretty sure the Cobalt and G5 don't have a TC Button regardless, as I've seen higher end loaded LTs and LTZs up close, loaded with everything including the Pioneer system and leather and yet they don't have the button either. Checking my crib-sheet I see that all Cobalt LTZs had both ABS and TC standard but the only extra button between this 07 Cobalt LTZ and mine is the Fog Light Switch next to the instrument brightness control. My owners manual has a section on the Enhanced Traction System and it also makes no mention of a button while the Owners Manuals in the Maxx and Impala (the former having ETS, the latter having full function traction control) both make mention of a button and indeed have one. Besides, those lights wouldn't come on in the absence of a fuse anyway, right?? I mean I could care less about the Traction Control it's the lack of ABS up here in the frozen north that I'm getting pissed about... I mean even my 1997 Cavalier had a functioning ABS system.

Just Chevy-Cadillac I think is how it's gonna be... I'd love to see Pontiac Live but they've let development stagnate so much that I don't know if they'd see it feasible to bring them along for the Ride... the GM Europe Operation would likely split off from GM and join GMDAT or something so conceivably Buick would go with them for sale in china, not with GMNA. Saab has great research facilities but would likely prosper on its own... GMC Maybe but only for commercial trucks I'm afraid. Hummer... nope. And Saturn well, I just don't see GM trying again with them.

Weeeel, today was the first "major" snowstorm of the year and I went alone to church this morning, so I was driving my G5. You may recall when I purchased it in May. When I was going through the buying process I was also looking at another Impala, the G6 and the GP. Fact is I wanted to go small because it was ultimately just going to end up my brother's car. When I was first looking at said car the window sticker, the build sheet, and a GM vehicle history printout I was supplied with all showed the car was equipped with the Enhanced Traction System, which has two prerequisites. In order to have ETS the car must have ABS and the 4SP Auto transmission. The reason for ABS being a prerequisite is because the system requires the wheel sensors the ABS System has. So I figured I'd get that car as it has the right safety features. Fast Forward back to today, when during a blizzard I approached an intersection and the light turned yellow I thought I could stop so I but the brake pedal to the floor and it went full lock, no ABS engaged. So I was like "What the f@#k?!" so I pulled off onto a deserted sidestreet, placed the car over a patch of sheer ice and mashed the gas to see if the Traction Control would engage. It didn't engage. I found this strange, so when I got home I checked my crib sheet again the car stated it was equipped with ETS, but the trunkated RPO code list didn't contain every code... As it turns out even though GM, the Dealer and their respective computer systems at the time I bought the car told me that the Car had said safety features it would appear that the car has neither. I checked the fuse box and there are no fuses in the ABS or ETS slots either... Needless to say I'm a little pissed that the car doesn't have options that several different sources said had... I mean hell I probably wouldn't have bought the car If I had known it had no Anti-Lock Brakes. I'm going down to the dealer tomorrow to find an explanation and see if they can check to see if said systems have been installed at all or whether some manufacturing or systems defect has simply rendered them inoperable... I mean frankly don't care if I have to do threshold braking in the winter but I'm still annoyed and all I want is an explanation [/end rant]

Time for Something Fresh...

LT1 Fleetwood, LT1 Roadmaster and Roadmaster Estate, 1997-99 Deville, 97-99 Eighty Eight, 94-95 Trans Sport 3.8L All of those would be fine candidates but I'd lean to the Fleetwood :wink:

Yeah I'd agree, don't write off the TripleTread it's an AWESOME tire... better than that BF Goodrich, they're not in the same league even... although for a budget tire the Traction T/A is a good value.

I'd kill for that...

Our next purchase is still looking far off in 2010 or so and it will be (at this point) either another W-Impala, an Orlando (if by the grace of god it comes here), or an Equinox.

Keep in mind this is the Lower Mainland of British Columbia, not much rusts out there. It's like Canada's Florida.

Lets Hope Not...

Ford only has 7mos of Liquid AFAIK.

Traction T/As are supposed to be good.