Camino LS6

The options are not good. Fatal flaws all around.

It's her 47 year-old son that I'm wondering about...

Serious attention to detail on that thing! And I love your "load-bearing device" description of the old one.

This thread makes good reading: http://www.cheersandgears.com/forums/index...mp;#entry436846

The bolded part goes directly to my point, and the second part is the result I expect from brand killing. I think the major failing within GM on this is a failure to define the brands and to see BPG as a single entity. Models are developed and placed in a brand lineup in a terribly illogical fashion. GM needs to get lean and focused, but not through political game playing between its factions ( which should not exist in the first place), nor by killing brands. Not only is GM unfocused in the way it brands its products, but it also seems incapable of balancing product within and between sales channels. Unless it can get that part right, the number of brands makes little difference. Some basic ideas I think are overdue: - no product should go to any brand when that product is not a good fit (to hell with the pissing and moaning of the dealers). - The number of architectures needs to be limited drastically - The number of variants (real bodystyles not badge jobs) needs to be maximized for each architecture. - A given brand's design language needs to be instantly recognizable. Not only for what it is, but for what it means.

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Oh I get where you are coming from, I just reject the premise that it will benefit GM to kill Pontiac or any other core brand. There is this assumption that things will improve for GM if it cuts a brand or brands - I simply don't believe that. I'll spare you a long post about which models at which brands I would change/cut/add, but suffice it to say that I see far better options than simply killing-off brands. I believe that GM can (and must) do more with less, I would just go at the issue from a different set of parameters. If I had time to do the topic justice, I would write and post the full "manifesto". But I simply don't have the time, and no one seems willing to think beyond the knee-jerk "solution" of killing brands. That mantra has been around so long that it verges on self-fulfilling prophecy because too many people blindly believe it. I see other options. Better options.

Shades of the Rabbit pickup. I wouldn't hate that they do this, but for me any Beetle is just.... no.

Thanks for posting, guys.

Happy Birthday!

With a grin on his face, no doubt. Remember everyone, this country was young and vulnerable back then.

More likely they'd want to know where to get their own.

Well Hyper, I just don't see any pluses to killing brands. So I reject the premise that it is the "only way out". I think it is a recipe for failure and will not bring about the desired result. Killing models is another story. So no, I have no intention of holding back on comments such as the one you quoted.

I lost my dad. I'm not looking for any comments here, really. Just wanted to acknowlege his life again and remember. What better place to do that than here, among friends?

Oh, as long as they offer a manual I'll be buying one. What I really mean is that I want to see more and more of GM's products be unique and interesting - even the ones I wouldn't consider for myself.

...what I want from GM, that is. All other aspects aside, I want unique and interesting. So few current offerings qualify, GM or otherwise.

If I ever buy one, it will be down the road a ways and an SS or Z/28. :AH-HA_wink:

Wachovia is evil, and desperate. I plan to dump them soon.

I don't give him that much credit, but I'm sure it makes him smile. We have horribly over-reacted to 9/11 in the way that we live here. Only fools trade freedom for security.

How cryptic of you, PCS.

The banks are full of such dirty tricks these days, I hope you gave them hell for it.

Interesting article. and, I think you'll find a fair number of second ammendment supporters around here - me included.

Hard to argue with that. The chickens have come home to roost?