Camino LS6

Holden continued to build "american" cars long after America forgot how. Holden deserves all of the accolades it gets, and their interiors put ALL GMNA interiors to shame. I love my GTO. Not because it says GTO on it, but because it is a GREAT car. Holden is taking GMNA to school: and that's a very good thing.

I had to cancel my plans for this show/auction. My Dad's condition worsened over the last two weeks and I need to be here and available at all times.

Irrigated farmland. That's why they are round.

Tell them you'll take the check, and have the car repaired yourself without a salvage brand on the title. And get them to replace your camera!

Just another example of the "Nanny Ninnys" going all out to protect us from ourselves. I flip them the giant bird. How and what I eat,smoke, and drink is my business alone.

Keep us posted Fly, I want to know how this turns out.

Ah, so nothing has changed then - too bad.

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As Fly pointed out, we will be much better off with a variety of solutions rather than a "magic bullet". BMW's program is grounded in reality and very translatable to existing markets and should be pursued alongside fuel cell research. The public will have to want to buy vehicles spawned by these programs and BMW's ICE would be nearly transparent to the buying public while making huge gains in reducing emissons and oil dependency. Other gaseous fuels are viable alternatives as well and would not put the public on a huge learning curve. You have to be able to sell the car to a driving public which doesn't want to compromise on the standard provided by current ICE-powered vehicles. It is infinitely simpler to change the fuel than the entire propulsion system.

Not busting GM's balls, it's just that BMW's approach is much more viable right now. Not to mention flexible and the existing fleet could be converted at a reasonable cost. Fuel cells aren't there yet.

BMW does Hydrogen the right way, GM should too.

I've been to every town you listed, and I agree. The problem is that my family has been here (even on the same street) for 5 generations now (the 5th being my nephews). I resent being driven out because I don't choose to live the way the "invaders" do. Chester County was once one of the most beautiful places in the state, but it now looks like some giant trash truck overturned dumping its (expensive) load of garbage. The open areas are nearly gone and perfectly good houses (some as expensive as 5-600k) are being purchased and immediately razed to make room for multi-million dollar McMansions. My problem is that I am deeply tied to this place in every way and leaving would feel like defeat. However, defeat is starting to look good and a clean start in a completely new place has great appeal. BV: I've been through Dubois more times than I can remember, but thanks for the offer.

Not at all, we are in agreement at a basic level. I do,however, take issue with the future being dictated by looney California whims and will never accept their standards as my own. The automakers know full well that they need to continue their successful,decades-long, drive to reduce/eliminate harmful emissions and no further prodding by the state of California is required. It's time for politicians to turn their attention to the long-neglected industrial sources of air pollution -nationwide. They need to grow a pair and get the job done. The auto industry isn't the main offender in all of this and it is time to stop making it the scapegoat.

I still like BMW's version of hydrogen power better... much better.

OK, time to break this down so that a clearer understanding might be had. If current California standards were adopted here, my objections would be relatively minor. We would only lose a few models or variants of certain models of car as some cars/variants don't meet current standards there. Still wouldn't make me happy, but I'd be less incensed. However, if the proposed California standards go into effect, our car-buying choices will simply evaporate and having hitched ourselves to this standard we will be stuck with that. If this happens, I'm moving. A reasonable 50 state standard should be put in place by the Feds and California's ability to set their own standards should end. The issue should either be each state to its own or one ,single federal standard - not some hodge-podge of both. Note: California's proposed standards would leave us with more expensive, less powerful cars in which I would have no interest and would not buy.

My 24/7 problem is 100% an issue of population density, more and more pidgeons squabbling over the same shrinking pile of breadcrumbs. That, and a standard of living that all but evicts anyone making less than several hundred thousand a year. This is a hard place to live and becoming less desirable (to me) with each new McMansion. This burgeoning expansion has gutted the flavor of the place and made it just one huge sprawl of mediocrity and sameness. I just don't belong in my own home town anymore. It disgusts me.

That's just the probelm,Z. Most places where this legislation is put in place make no provision for smoking areas, rather they are blanket bans on all indoor and even some outdoor smoking in public. I always respect a no smoking policy where it has been instituted by the property owner, but these laws don't give the owner the choice. Those offended by smoking could simply not patronize any establishment where such a ban doesn't exist - it would be such a fair,logical, and easy solution. However, the anti-smoking Nazis are only happy when they pass draconian laws that offer no choice, forcing all business owners to be 100% smoke free. If I were faced with such invasive government meddling in my affairs I would simply defy the law and refuse to pay any related fines. It's just too heavy-handed.

Is smoking good? Of course not, but the anti-smoking legislation is bordering on persecution these days which makes me want to smoke forever just to piss-off these self-righteous "born again breathers". I will always side with personal freedom over "the common good". <------ lighting protest smoke <------ holding smoke in middle finger position

I've spent quite a bit of time all over Pennsylvania and I love lots of it. I'm just tired of what has happened to my part of PA and tired of always having someone in my face 24/7. Mass. is out of the question as they have terrible laws which I can't overlook. I've spent time in New England over the years and there is a definite appeal in states like Vermont and NH for me. I also love upstate NY, but I don't think I want to be tied to the politics of Albany and NYC. One other note: My part of SE PA is insanely expensive. (Chester County/Main Line suburbs of Phila.)

It's all about money - not clean air.

And to think, people gave me grief for being angry that PA wants to adopt CA's emission standards.

It would take me 6 months to upload all of the pics!

Wow. I know what you're getting at,OCN, but I just can't go there right now.

Fly, I assume by your latest responses that this is a done deal. What did they say about the camera? I've fought with Insurance companies after being hit on a number of occasions and won each time though no total losses were involved. Therefore, I've been conditioned to be in "battle mode" when I deal with them. No car of mine will ever be in their possession until the matter is resolved to my satisfaction and I always take the car to a shop of my choice, not theirs.