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You guys are out of control. The folks that bought all those Hondas and Toyotas look at a car as an appliance, a necessary evil. Thus, I called them car haters. This used to be a nation of car lovers and I have high hopes that it will be again. I don't give a rat's ass if Toyota becomes the largest automobile manufacturer, as long as GM becomes profitable and is creating cars with real design and performance. The lemmings can have their Japanese appliances, as long as I can buy my real cars. Frankly Evok, your constant harping about the information you have at your fingertips and unwillingness to post it without some huge theatrical display is getting old. You condescend and insult rather than simply posting the "correct" information along with your comments. It is anti-social and antagonistic and I wish you'd cut it out. I won't be spoken to or of as someone with a somehow substandard mind simply by virtue of the fact that I'm not a professional analyst. No matter how valid your points and facts may be, the rude fashion in which you present them is offensive and unnecessary. You could turn a baby shower into a fistfight with your presentation. Demographics most certainly will play a pivotal role as the baby-boomers age and market share will shift accordingly. The perception that Japanese cars are vastly superior holds little truth these days and will fade with time. Provided the domestics step-up to the plate,of course. Market analysis is by definition a study of what has already happened and an educated guess at what will happen. It is not a crystal ball nor infallible. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm here because this is a GM oriented site. I support GM, I buy GM, I enjoy GM and I'm sick of being belittled for expressing my thoughts in that reguard. There is nothing, repeat, nothing built by any asian manufacturer that appeals or ever has appealed to me. So, the constant trumpeting of this myth that the asians have a lock on car design is most tiresome. They build a fine toaster, but if I want a car I look elsewhere. I'm sick of sedans I'm sick of FWD I'm sick of bland styling I'm sick of 4cyl cars I need a real truck I love RWD I love coupes I love V8s So I have no reason to look at anything from Japan or Korea. Finally, I am tired of all the naysaying sucking the fun out of C&G. I thought we were ALL here to enjoy being GM enthusiasts, perhaps I was wrong. So before you accuse me of drinking too much "GM Kool-aide" consider that even I find most of GM's products to be something I would not buy, but the ones I would buy make it worth it. I can find exactly zero products from the asians that will ever tempt me to lay down the cash.

Good! Nascar deserves exactly this. I hope they all pull out. Nascar Died with Earnhardt.

Very,very cool. I'm sure that the info can be found here. Balthazar? You see this? Give this car what it needs - you won't be sorry.

BTW: I think you could still get a 454 in a '75 Monte. I know you could in '73

Ghosn has it right. End of report.

I think that the pertinent issue is that the Domestics lost a significant portion of one generation to the asians and the same may happen to Japan Inc. with the next. Good and wonderful if it actually happens, even to a lesser degree. There are cracks in the foundation and I hope the walls come down. Car haters made Toyota and Honda what they are, hopefully car lovers will take the domestics back from the brink.

Obviously, the numbers in the article are due to more than simply Solstice sales. If you read it carefully, a one to one relationship is not claimed. How old are your numbers? What is the source? Can you post the one's that apply in this case? (Pontiac and Toyota median age for the for the two short timeframes compared, 2005 vs. 2006) The trend is what is important here, and if it is as indicated by the article, it is the wonderful news I described. Hell, even seeing this headline is a plus in the current environment.

It's simple: the asians claim all that they can legally claim and the domestics claim more conservative numbers. This sort of pattern is common in many aspects of legal/mandated ratings. For once, it looks as though it's finally going to bite the asian manfacturers in the ass. About time too.

Read your post, but unless you can show me current numbers, I accept the article at face value.

GM will be gaining market share in some segments this year, most notably in the GMT900 SUVs and trucks. Saturn as a whole will increase its share as well. Overall? Who knows?

What a marvelous gift to humanity this internet thing is.

I'm thinking it over. It would be cheaper, if a bit chilly.

My firehawk uses the Donaldson Blackwing filter, flows like mad. Donaldson makes all kind of performance filters for industry but I don't know if they make something that would work on your car or not.

Look for any place you can lose some more weight: wheels,chassis,lights(if allowed) etc. Fab up your own Ram air system. Cut the operating temp. I have no knowlege about what aftermarket items are out there for this engine, but someone should - time for google.

1) GMT900 2) Saturn And? Show me the bright spots. And for once, let's leave Toyota out of the discussion. Please stay on topic.

This is wonderful news, and Solstice deserves the credit along with Lutz for making it happen. Also great news on Toyota, may it age itself into oblivion. I knew Scion would backfire. I'm happy on all counts.

Yup! Thought so, the 396 was offered in both 325hp and 360hp in the '66 El Camino. There is also an indication that it may even have been available in '65, but it doesn't appear in the brochures and I have never seen a factory example.

I'll check on the '66 El Camino thing, I'm not sure myself. They are wrong about performance engines though as the SS454 El Camino continued through the '75 model year (albeit at reduced power).

No need for this as Buick,Pontiac and GMC are already a single sales channel. It would just alienate existing customers.

I just read the last few pages here and some basic things have occured to me. For GM to try to build a better Camry is a pure waste of time and effort. GM should concentrate on building unabashedly American cars that are so different from the boring Camcords of the world that they only share a size rating. No matter how perfect, I would never buy a Camry built by Toyota or GM. Throw that template in the crapper and start over. Chasing after Japanese design has led the domestics to ruin and they should stop doing it. Were I looking for a mid-size sedan, I sure as hell wouldn't want it to resemble a Camry or Accord in any way. Evok: I just can't let you slide on the '55 Chevy thing. Do you seriously believe that the Camry stands a snowball's chance in hell of being shined-up for the local cruise night 30 years down the road, let alone more than 50? NO WAY! That thing will have been a soda can a few hundred times over by then. Camrys have no soul, no one will be preserving them for posterity or paying big money for one at the Barret-Jackson of 2045.

Or one hell of a big hoodscoop. :AH-HA_wink:

The I6 doesn't get used because of packaging - it just doesn't fit in the low snouts of modern cars. Too bad.

Ouch! Why, I outta...

I knew there was a pic waiting inside this thread, but I had no idea what I might see when I looked. Shame about that Caddy.

Evil Ocn, Evil Fly... Sounds like you might make a hell of a mechanic if you learned the basics,Paulie.