Robert Hall

I wonder if that market still exists, though...the last Riviera didn't sell that well..it seems like the whole 'personal luxury' coupe market has dissapeared.

Yeah, the names are similar so it's confusing... things got really confusing with Cutlass, which was used on a G body, A body, an N body, a GM-10/W body at different and overlapping times...

Speaking of bad '80s cars, I'm watching the movie 'Fun With Dick and Jane' now and when Jim Carrey and Tea Leoni had to downsize from their BMW 7-series they end up with a battered yellow Festiva...

Ah..the big '80s... IIRC, my '86 Mustang LX 2.3 had 88 hp... my '84 Escort diesel had 52 hp (but got over 50 mpg highway)...have no idea what my '88 Bronco II 2.9 was rated at. My '87 Mustang GT was rated at only 225hp but still feels quick because it's relatively light...

Definitely..it's been that way as I long as I can remember, IIRC my Jeep 4.0L is rated at 17/21, but I've never seen 21, let alone 19 hwy..

That's sad...I would have thought they would have done better than the Tahoe, etc...but they are almost as heavy but with smaller engines..

Huh? That's the same old pics of the white car that were shown here over a month ago...

A couple interesting sights in the commute today-- a late '90s gold Chrysler Sebring convertible w/ basic hubcaps and a totally lame bi-level, curvy 'Fast & The Furious' style boy racer rear wing, painted to match... a faded terra cotta pink (probably was bright red 38 years ago) 1970 Plymouth Duster...it was rust free but faded, and I'm pretty sure it was a '70 because it had the flat decklid without the strengthening crease that was added later.

Speaking of perceptions of GM, I went to lunch today w/ 3 former colleagues from my previous job and we got into talking cars over Thai...one guy (known as a bit of a tightwad) is looking to trade his 10 yr old Corolla on... a new Corolla...we were chiding him to treat himself to a Prius, Camry, or Avalon, but he's happy w/ Corollas. I starting raving about the CTS and talking about how I was interested in it, and another coworker asked if it had an AARP card in the glovebox. Hahaha. Hilarity at my expense ensues...I explained this was the new generation of serious, world-class Cadillac aimed at 30-something professionals like ourselves, not your grandfather's Caddy. They were amazed that it was available w/ a manual transmission, though one coworker knew about the CTS and that I wasn't blowing smoke...

I haven't driven a TSX, but have heard good things about it... I've driven several TLs and ridden in them, and it was my favorite of the sub-$40k sport sedans until the '08 CTS came out (which is what I'm leaning towards now for my next daily driver).

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That's been my observation amongst my Xer peers... I've jumped around from Ford to BMW to Jeep and quite likely to GM next. Among GenX friends, I've seen one jump from Mitsubishi (Galant) to Nissan (Maxima) to Acura (TL, NSX), another went from Pontiac (Grand Prix) to Toyota (4Runner) to Acura (TL), another from Jeep (GC) to Ford (Focus and Mustang) to Honda (Odessey), another from Chevy (S10 Blazer) to Nissan (Pathfinder) to BMW (X5), another from Ford (Probe) to Honda (Element) to BMW (3-series) to Honda (Accord) to BMW (3-series) (long story), and a couple went from Jeep (Cherokee) and Ford (Focus) to GM (Trailblazer, Rendezvous)... all over the last 10 years.

Potentially....certainly has potential for clean city use. And remember, the concept is French..don't they get their electricity from nuclear power? It's certainly cleaner than a 30yr old carburated car..

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Meh..nothing new, V8 cars have been a niche item at GM for over a decade now...a few luxury cars, a few performance cars.

Heh-heh.... just wait a few years...it's going to be like 1988 all over again... the ghost of Roger Smith will be back and GM will be back to a fleet of forgettable FWD models...

Just slap on some bondo, rustoleum, and white paint from a spray can and it's like new..

No, but some pollute and consume less than others..

There is definitely some music of this decade I like...the Foo Fighters, Audioslave, Velvet Revolver, Black Rebel Motorcycle Club, Franz Ferdinand, The Killers, Sigur Ros, British Sea Power, Moby, Coldplay, Muse, to name a few..... and I also like the recent albums of long-time artists like Bruce Springsteen, U2, The Who, David Gilmour, and others..

So far in my lifetime, this decade ('00s) is the worst...way too much $h!e on the radio.

Having grown up in the '80s, there is quite a bit of music from that decade that I still like and still listen to...U2, Peter Gabriel, The Cure, Depeche Mode, Simple Minds, New Order, Talking Heads, Bruce Springsteen, Def Leppard, Pink Floyd, John Hiatt, Prince, etc.

I had one ('88) as my first SUV...drove it for 6 years until I got tired of it and traded it on the Grand Cherokee. It was way underpowered in the mountains and very sensitive to crosswinds.. decent in snow, though.. my brother still has one--a '90 with 175k miles.

Yes, unfortunately. I was hoping he was gone for good. I still can't figure out his game..he talks like a GM insider leaking information, but I wonder if he really is a sociopath who gets off by spreading disinformation and messing with our minds..

I think the Outlook is there to keep the Saturn dealers happy...if they didn't have it, they'd scream...

The Lambdas are not rebadges..they are distinct vehicles sharing the same platform..