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    Bentley CEO Talks About Upcoming EV, Admits They're Losing Some Customers to Porsche and Tesla

      Its going to be some time before it arrives

    It is no secret that Bentley is working on an electric vehicle. What has been unclear is when said vehicle is expected to launch. Recently, Automotive News Europe had a sit-down with Bentley CEO Adrian Hallmark where he revealed that electric cars are seen "as another growth opportunity in a five- to 10-year period." Why the long period?

    "The problem is, with the size of our vehicles and the frontal area we push through, current battery-power density limits the size of the car with a credible driving range. The Jaguar I-Pace is the perfect-size car for the battery technology, but it’s too small for us. It’s all driven by power density of the battery, but there’s nothing industrialized in the supply chain before 2023-2024-2025. Only then does it open up the size of the vehicle and the category you can make a credible battery-powered car," said Hallmark.

    Hallmark wouldn't say what Bentley's full-electric vehicle would look like, but past rumors point to the possibility of the Mulsanne replacement of going full EV.

    Bentley knows that it needs an EV sooner or later. Hallmark said 40 percent of Bentley customers would consider buying an electric vehicle. Also, a set of possible Bentley customers, "the upper liberals and the post-moderns" are trending towards Porsche and Tesla models.

    Source: Automotive News Europe (Subscription Required)



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    Bentley is BLAH style, Old Europe Old Thinking, OLD OLD OLD, Why buy a Bentley when you can have so many far better options including EVs.

    Bentley needs to revolutionize themselves or die off to the history books.

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    Funny that they are saying how hard it for them to do an EV, considering their corporate siblings Audi and Porsche are just about there.  Just take the eTron GT or Taycan, put on some squared bodywork, mesh grille, quilted seats and lots of wood, and instant Bentley EV.   Seems inefficient that each brand within VWAG would be developing their own EV technology and platforms, seems like the dirty bits would be shared across the brands, as they do now with ICE platforms and powertrains.

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    Since Bentley and Porsche have the same owner, I don't see why they really care who buys what, unless the profit margin on a Bentley EV is higher than a Porsche EV.  

    I know Bentley's are big, but a Tesla Model S isn't a small car, and Mercedes is making near S-class sized EV, so how can they do it and Bentley can't make the same thing with an extra 6 inches of wheelbase and length?  And you probably don't need over 250 miles of range either, Bentley owners have a private plane for when they travel over 100 miles.

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    Plus these people are not gonna bitch about the price of the battery pack, they want to be the ubber green show off.

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    5 hours ago, dfelt said:

    Bentley is BLAH style, Old Europe Old Thinking, OLD OLD OLD, Why buy a Bentley when you can have so many far better options including EVs.

    Bentley needs to revolutionize themselves or die off to the history books.

    Maybe Bentley is right given current battery power density.  In a decade or so, denser batteries will allow them (and all automakers) to build BEVs that are far superior to what is on the market now.  Sometimes it is bets to wait for technology to catch up with your ambitions if you are not able to push it along yourself.

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    4 hours ago, ocnblu said:

    The current means of propulsion is far superior to the possibility of electric.

    do you say that of opinion or because of the infrastructure?

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    7 minutes ago, loki said:

    do you say that of opinion or because of the infrastructure?

    Both really.  The I.D. Buzz Cargo is cute but what good is it if you set off on a spontaneous road trip?  Your life is regimented with electrics.

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    2 hours ago, ocnblu said:

    Both really.  The I.D. Buzz Cargo is cute but what good is it if you set off on a spontaneous road trip?  Your life is regimented with electrics.

    Same way ICE auto's were regimented for the first 1/3rd of their existence and in some 3rd world places still is.

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    8 hours ago, dfelt said:

    Same way ICE auto's were regimented for the first 1/3rd of their existence and in some 3rd world places still is.

    If that is true, why would anyone want to go back to that?  Ludicrous.  We have it perfect now.

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    11 hours ago, ocnblu said:

    If that is true, why would anyone want to go back to that?  Ludicrous.  We have it perfect now.

    Nothing is perfect. Never will be, if it was then god would exist as everything would be perfect, but it is not.

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    21 hours ago, dfelt said:

    Same way ICE auto's were regimented for the first 1/3rd of their existence...

    Overstated; 120 years, give or take, puts "1/3rd" at the year 1938.
    The primary restriction was roads, not fueling.

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    I always feel that when Bentley or Rolls talk about weight, it's usually about something that isn't heavy enough.

     

    Battery density...they just want to biggest and largest batteries to be as heavy as possible too. By having the largest density possible, pack on the lard!

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    Daimler and Tesla are making electric semi trucks.  I bet those weigh more than a Bentley and they figured it out.  If they can make an electric Audi I don’t see why they can’t do a Bentley version, most of the Bentley’s sold anyway are glorified A8’s.

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    1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

    Daimler and Tesla are making electric semi trucks.  ...they figured it out.

    Where? Where are they for sale- I have money waiting right now!
    What? Oh, they only said they intend to build them, at some point. Well, that's disappointing.

    Know what else is disappointing? Tesla has been building EVs for a decade, and MB is JUST supposedly getting ready to bring out theirs. After [Benz] invented the [Benz tiller-steered tricycle], I would've expected more leading edge stuff.

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    1 hour ago, dfelt said:

    Hope Koch Brothers die an ugly death soon. They are spending millions to attack the lovely EV industry.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/koch-electric-vehicles_us_56c4d63ce4b0b40245c8cbf6

    Death to these pigs!

    Whoa- advocating death for a difference of opinion is a bit unhinged. Not sure you want to come off as a wing-nut, Dave.
     

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    Electric vehicles make up just 1 percent of the U.S. market, but some analysts see them rising to as much as 5 percent by 2025.

    WHOA. We've all read other predictions (not necessarily from industry analysts) that EVs would gobble up 50% of the market by 2030. But who has been saying EVs won't see 25% by 2050?

    And actually; 2018 sales will be at 2.0%- the article has the figure wrong. Huffpost tends to garble their facts on a regular basis. But it still took 20 years to get to just a wee 2%.

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    8 hours ago, balthazar said:

    Whoa- advocating death for a difference of opinion is a bit unhinged. Not sure you want to come off as a wing-nut, Dave.

     

    It's a bit more than 'difference of opinion'...the Kochs and other climate change denying right wing filth represent an existential threat to all of humanity.   They are anti-future and anti-American. 

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    On 12/21/2018 at 11:45 AM, Robert Hall said:

    Funny that they are saying how hard it for them to do an EV, considering their corporate siblings Audi and Porsche are just about there.  Just take the eTron GT or Taycan, put on some squared bodywork, mesh grille, quilted seats and lots of wood, and instant Bentley EV.   Seems inefficient that each brand within VWAG would be developing their own EV technology and platforms, seems like the dirty bits would be shared across the brands, as they do now with ICE platforms and powertrains.

    Did you read the article? " "The problem is, with the size of our vehicles and the frontal area we push through, current battery-power density limits the size of the car with a credible driving range. "

    The squared bodywork really screws up range. As we all have noticed, all EVs all wear very slippery bodywork. 

    10 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    Daimler and Tesla are making electric semi trucks.  I bet those weigh more than a Bentley and they figured it out.  If they can make an electric Audi I don’t see why they can’t do a Bentley version, most of the Bentley’s sold anyway are glorified A8’s.

    Uhhh.. vehicles that size can cram a crap ton of batteries of any size in them. We're talking the footprint of "most" vehicles with a Bentley in a vehicle not aerodynamically the most slippery. 

    Also, Cummins is working on/has an electric Semi truck.

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    13 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    Did you read the article? " "The problem is, with the size of our vehicles and the frontal area we push through, current battery-power density limits the size of the car with a credible driving range. "

    The squared bodywork really screws up range. As we all have noticed, all EVs all wear very slippery bodywork.  e

    Maybe they should adopt a more aerodynamic design instead of the blocky bloated look...

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    Or there isn't a business case well enough to justify changing their design language for a few EV sales quite yet. 

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    Ideally, an EV powertrain should be an option on a regular production vehicle. IE; engineer a model/body to fit over either- the GM skateboard concept seems to make the most sense. The ROI of 1. a true EV vehicle coupled with 2. a unique design inside & out is putting these vehicles automatically in the red going out the door.
    I see no reason that the -say- honda accord isn't available with the clarity's EV powertrain with 90% of the same look.

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      For Volkswagen, that means that most of their internal combustion powered vehicles will gain an available hybrid powertrain. Volkswagen says they will be introducing hybrid versions from the Golf to the Tiguan, to the Touareg. There will also be a number of cars coming that aren't hybrids or EVs. The next generation Golf is coming to Europe in 2020 with GTI, GTD, R, and Wagon variants to follow, though not all will make it to the U.S.. The Atlas will receive a refresh and the Atlas Cross Sport goes into production soon. Over in Europe, VW will be launching the T-Roc Cabriolet, the Arteon Shooting Brake, and Tiguan R.  Plus there will be other announcements coming for the brand.  With that in mind, these 34 vehicles are just for the VW brand and don't count what Audi, SEAT, Skoda, are up to. So there is likely to be even more in the pipeline.
      This whole push is to help get the Volkswagen brand to a 4 percent to 5 percent operating profit for 2020. 

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    • By Drew Dowdell
      The Volkswagen brand is on track to introduce 34 models globally in 2020.  While some, like the ID.3, will be new to the portfolio, others are variants of familiar faces with many of those being electrified. Much stricter emissions rules come into effect in Europe starting January 1st and will force every company that sells on the continent to rethink their lineups.
      For Volkswagen, that means that most of their internal combustion powered vehicles will gain an available hybrid powertrain. Volkswagen says they will be introducing hybrid versions from the Golf to the Tiguan, to the Touareg. There will also be a number of cars coming that aren't hybrids or EVs. The next generation Golf is coming to Europe in 2020 with GTI, GTD, R, and Wagon variants to follow, though not all will make it to the U.S.. The Atlas will receive a refresh and the Atlas Cross Sport goes into production soon. Over in Europe, VW will be launching the T-Roc Cabriolet, the Arteon Shooting Brake, and Tiguan R.  Plus there will be other announcements coming for the brand.  With that in mind, these 34 vehicles are just for the VW brand and don't count what Audi, SEAT, Skoda, are up to. So there is likely to be even more in the pipeline.
      This whole push is to help get the Volkswagen brand to a 4 percent to 5 percent operating profit for 2020. 
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    • Well...Ill be damned. I knew that the real Euros were crappy.  I didnt know they were waaaay worse than GM's FWD A-Platform cars.   The reason why I was hard on the 6000 just now is that I have driven my dad's 2.5 4 cylinder Celebrity, a friend's 1987 2.8 V6 Eurosport, a friend's 1986 6000 LE 2.8V6 and a friends 1989 Ciera 3.3 V6.  And NONE of them had ANY hint of performance.  Its just sad that an Audi 5000 is shyttier ... The FWD A platform cars were never bad cars though.  With the 2.8 V6, they were very reliable. Peppy. And could haul a ,lot of stuff including passengers in comfort.  Actually, even the Iron Duke 2.5 was a reliable engine choice in the A Platform. 
    • Celebrity Eurosport out-accelerated, handily out-braked, and handily out-handled an Audi 5000S in 1986. It also got a lot better MPG. The real Euro stuff was generally, spectacularly poor then; people forget. In case anyone doubts (recalling Robert Hall's recent comment that the Eurosport was "neither euro nor sporty") :  
    • Ultimate performance sedan?   I liked these cars back in the day.  From the Celebrity to the 6000 to the Cutlass Ciera. The  Century a tad less.  But...As I was 10 years old then in 1983 and by the time I was 16 my dad bought an '86 Celebrity, I never was once fooled that these cars were all that different from each other and I certainly didnt think these cars were performance oriented... Who's eyes and ears was this ad meant for and who the phoque did it convince that a Pontiac 6000 was an ultimate performance sedan?   I get the whole 1980's was crap for performance angle as I lived through it, and I know I diss BMWs of this era a lot and I KNOW that even at only 130HP for a family sedan then was some sort of a big number, especially at that price point...but a 6000, or any of its platform mates never had a hint of performance.  It accelerated alright with that 2.8V6, but as far as Im concerned,  alright acceleration does not equate to ultimate performance... It rode like great family hauler should.  It was a very comfortable ride with some awesome for the time electronic wizardry in its interior  that only higher priced cars had...but again, that does NOT equate to ultimate performance sedan. Im a little confused with that statement that dude made. 
    • Still working on this list- pecking at it here & again. Still finding new-to-me dealers. Current numbers are approximately : 4400 coded Pontiac dealers, 7800 total Pontiac dealers
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