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    2022 Cadillac CT4 and CT5 Blackwing Bring A Performance Edge

      Missing the hot V models? Here are their replacements.

    After months of rumors and spy photos, Cadillac finally spilled the beans on their new high-performance CT4 and CT5 Blackwing. These new models are planned to give German rivals a bruising when they start arriving at dealers later this summer. Here is what we know.

    CT4 Blackwing

    The smaller of the two Blackwing models starts with a twin-turbo 3.6L V6 engine with 472 horsepower and 445 pound-feet of torque. To achieve this power, Cadillac upgraded the various internals with titanium connecting rods and a revised crankshaft. Power is routed to the rear-wheels by either a six-speed manual or ten-speed automatic. Performance figures are impressive with a 0-60 mph time of 3.8 seconds (automatic transmission) and a top speed of 189 mph.

    In terms of handling, the CT4 Blackwing features an electronic limited-slip rear differential and latest version of Magnetic Ride Control 4.0 - Cadillac claims the latter is the quickest-reacting suspension in the world. A set of Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tires keep the vehicle glued to the road, while optional optional carbon ceramic brakes bring it to a quick stop.

    Visually, the CT4 Blackwing uses a new grille with larger openings to gobble up more air; functional fender vents, front splitter, and a rear spoiler. A carbon fiber package that claims to reduce aerodynamic lift by 214 percent is an option.

    CT5 Blackwing

    For those who want something a bit more mad can direct their attention to the CT5 Blackwing. Under its hood lies a massaged 6.2L supercharged V8 engine with 668 horsepower and 659 pound-feet of torque. Again, power is routed to the rear-wheels via a six-speed manual or ten-speed automatic. 0-60 mph takes 3.7 seconds (automatic transmission) and can cruise towards 200-plus mph. 

    What does this massaged V8 engine have? For starters. there's a larger supercharger (1.7-liters), aluminum cylinder heads, titanium intake valves, and improved airflow. 

    Like the CT4, the CT5 Blackwing gets Magnetic Ride Control 4.0 and electronic limited-slip rear differential. A set of forged 19-inch wheels exclusive to the Blackwing come wrapped in a set of Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tires. 

    Outside, a new grille with larger openings to allow for more air, front splitter, and rear spoiler are the key changes to note. A carbon fiber package is optional.

    How Much?

    The CT4 Blackwing will set you back $59,990, and the larger CT5 Blackwing will cost $84,990. Both prices include a $995 destination charge. You can head down to your nearest Cadillac dealer to place a pre-order for either model right now.

    Source: Cadillac

    V-Series Blackwing: Ultimate Track Capability, Zero Compromise

    • The 2022 Cadillac CT4-V Blackwing and CT5-V Blackwing, two of the most powerful Cadillacs ever, raise the bar on performance

    The 2022 Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing and CT4-V Blackwing represent the pinnacle of Cadillac performance and craftsmanship, leveraging championship-winning racing heritage to create the most track-capable Cadillacs ever, while continuing to set new standards for luxury and comfort.

    Leveraging a Cadillac racing history that began in 1949 and has seen sustained success over the last two decades, the V-Series Blackwing models were developed with driver engagement and performance at the top of mind.

    “V-Series Blackwing stands for the very highest level of execution from Cadillac and offers a distinctly American vision of performance: incredible power and luxurious craftsmanship, with absolutely zero compromise,” said Brandon Vivian, executive chief engineer, Cadillac. “We looked to our championship-winning racing heritage and brought an uncompromising eye for detail to create two cars that elevate the V-Series experience.”

    V-Series Blackwing vehicles build on the already excellent performance dynamics of the CT5-V and CT4-V to create the top tier of the Cadillac sedan lineup.

    Highlights include:

    • Evolutions of the track-ready Cadillac 6.2L Supercharged V8 in the CT5-V Blackwing and 3.6L Twin-Turbo V6 in the CT4-V Blackwing
    • Upgraded TREMEC six-speed manual transmission standard
    • Available 10-speed automatic transmission
    • Electronic Limited Slip Rear Differential enhanced to reduce mass and improve on-track reliability
    • Advanced suspension refinements providing greater body control and a more agile feel
    • Magnetic Ride Control 4.0, the world’s fastest reacting suspension technology, sharpening the balance between daily-driving comfort and high-performance track capability
    • Unique structural enhancements improving steering response and handling on the track
    • Cadillac’s largest ever factory-installed brakes, available on the CT5-V Blackwing
    • Extensive validation including 12-hour and 24-hour track testing
    • Customizable integrated digital gauge cluster with Custom Launch Control and Performance Traction Management settings

    Liberating performance
    The CT5-V Blackwing uses an upgraded 6.2L supercharged V8 that, thanks to a higher flow air-intake and revised exhaust system, is rated at 668 horsepower (498 kW) and 659 lb-ft of torque (893 Nm), making it the most powerful production Cadillac ever. Each engine is hand-built at GM’s Bowling Green Assembly facility in Kentucky and features a signed engine builder’s plate.

    The CT4-V Blackwing sports an evolution of the Cadillac 3.6L Twin-Turbo V6 that features revised control system software and an improved air intake system to create 472 horsepower (352 kW) and 445 lb-ft of torque (603 Nm). The turbos’ low-inertia (titanium-aluminide) turbine wheels enable more precise and responsive application of torque throughout the rev range.

    Highlighted features and output:

    • CT5-V Blackwing: 6.2L Supercharged V8 - 668 hp, 659 lb-ft of torque
      • GM-estimated top track speed: over 200 mph
      • GM-estimated 0-60 mph: 3.7 seconds (automatic transmission)
      • Most powerful Cadillac ever
      • Air intake airflow is improved by 46 percent vs. the CTS-V
      • Compact, high-output 1.7L four-lobe Eaton supercharger with small-diameter rotors that enable boost to be generated earlier in the rpm band for instantaneous response
      • Rotocast A356T6 aluminum cylinder heads are stronger and handle heat better than conventional aluminum-alloy heads
      • Lightweight titanium intake valves
      • Track-capable wet-sump oiling and vent system with external oil separator and drainback
    • CT4-V Blackwing: 3.6L Twin-Turbo V6 - 472 hp, 445 lb-ft of torque
      • GM-estimated top speed: 189 mph
      • GM-estimated 0-60 mph: 3.8 seconds (automatic transmission)
      • Most powerful and fastest Cadillac in the subcompact class
      • Air intake restriction is improved by 39 percent vs. the ATS-V
      • Turbocharger compressors matched for peak efficiency at peak power for optimal track performance
      • Titanium connecting rods (manual transmission only) and revised crankshaft counterweights reduce main/rod bearing reciprocating loads
      • Re-targeted piston oil squirters, which direct engine oil at the bottoms of the pistons, for improved temperature control
      • The manifold-integrated water-to-air charge cooling system contributes to more immediate torque response
      • Airflow routing volume is reduced by 60 percent when compared to a conventional design that features a remotely mounted heat exchanger

    Track-capable braking systems
    Both V-Series Blackwing models feature advanced high-performance braking systems that have been extensively track and road-tested. The exclusive V-Series Blackwing wheel designs enable an even larger rotor over the previous CTS-V, making the CT5-V Blackwing braking system the largest factory-installed brakes in Cadillac history. Additionally, an available carbon-ceramic brake package for the CT5-V Blackwing, featuring cross-drilled rotors, deliver several benefits including weight savings, durability and heat management.

    Highlighted features:

    • CT4-V Blackwing: 14.96 x 1.34-inch (380 X 34 mm) front rotors and 13.4 x 1.1-inch (340.5 x 28 mm) rear rotors
    • CT5-V Blackwing: 15.67 x 1.42-inch (398 X 36 mm) front rotors and 14.7 x 1.1-inch (373.5 x 28 mm) rear rotors
    • Staggered Brembo® six-piston front calipers and four-piston rear calipers
    • Available on the CT5-V Blackwing, the lightweight carbon-ceramic brake package significantly improves heat management, as well as greater resistance to wear under extreme conditions on the racetrack, while also reducing unsprung mass and rotating mass:
      • 53-pound (24 kg) reduction in unsprung weight
      • 62-pound (28 kg) reduction in rotating mass
    • High-performance copper-free brake linings comply with California law and deliver superior fade resistance with an excellent pedal feel on and off the track
    • Brake systems are integrated to each vehicles’ selectable drive modes, including brake pedal feel. Brake pedal feel can also be assigned within My-Mode and V-Mode

    Manual transmission is standard
    Rare for sport sedans today, a six-speed TREMEC manual transmission is standard on both vehicles. It has been optimized for each V-Series Blackwing vehicle to provide an engaging experience on the track or on the road. Details include:

    • LuK twin-disc clutch for high torque capacity and great pedal feel
    • Active Rev Matching accessible via a console mounted toggle switch to automatically adjust engine speed to match anticipated downshifts
    • No-Lift Shift allowing the driver to shift gears without letting off the gas pedal. In the case of the CT4-V Blackwing, it allows the turbos to remain spooled, resulting in faster lap times
    • Transmission and rear differential cooling – the manual and automatic transmissions use the same track-performance cooling system for greater track performance
    • Clutch and brake pedals positioned for optimal driver ergonomics
    • A physical barrier stop for the clutch pedal rather than a hydraulic master cylinder stop provides greater driver feedback during clutch operation
    • A shorter shifter ratio than previous generations for more precise shifts

    Ten-speed automatic transmission
    The CT5-V Blackwing and CT4-V Blackwing are available with a 10-speed electronically controlled automatic transmission. It is tuned to complement the dual-personality experience of each respective model.

    Highlighted features:

    • Tap Shift/Manual Mode allowing the driver to use integrated magnesium paddle shifters to select a gear and hold it until selecting the next gear, up or down
    • Sport Mode providing real-time interpretation of driving conditions, adjusting the transmission to reduce shift busyness and improve performance, while retaining aggressive driving dynamics
    • Twenty-four-hour track testing resulted in several improvements in response to the demands of a high-g track environment, including a unique oil pan design and priority valve changes
    • Unique control systems with performance calibrations tailored for each model
    • Ten forward gears offer the most available transmission speeds in each sedans’ respective segments, helping keep the engines within their optimal rpm bands, while also anticipating the next shifts
    • Dynamic Performance Mode is calibrated specifically for V-Series Blackwing to deliver track focused shift patterns and automatically activates when high-g forces are experienced in Sport or Track mode
    • An auxiliary pump primes the automatic transmission system from the time the vehicle door is opened for improved cold-shift performance.

    Both V-Series Blackwing models also feature an enhanced Electronic Limited Slip Rear Differential. It weighs less and has been optimized for each driving mode and each Performance Traction Management setting.

    Highlighted features:

    • More control of the rear differential compared to traditional open and mechanical limited-slip differentials
    • Enhances road grip by automatically allocating torque to the rear wheel with the most traction during hard cornering — with the capability of sending up to 1,475 lb-ft (2,000 Nm) of locking torque across the axle
    • High-performance differential cooler
    • An aluminum housing replacing the previous generation cast iron housing, reducing mass by more than 22 pounds (10 kg)
    • Exclusive integrated heat exchanger for enhanced cooling

    Advanced suspension systems and strengthened chassis
    V-Series Blackwing combines the fourth generation of Magnetic Ride Control (MR 4.0), with improvements to the front and rear suspension systems. Stiffer spring rates, unique hollow stabilizer bars, higher-rate bushings and more enable a driving experience that isolates the driver from road imperfections, while also providing a precise, engaging connection with the road.

    MR 4.0 highlights:

    • Immense performance envelope that gave Cadillac engineers the freedom to optimize everyday driving and aggressive track performance
    • New accelerometers and an inertial measurement unit that transmit and process changes in road conditions four times faster than the previous generation system
    • Secondary temperature maps that enable engineers to compensate for changes in damper fluid temperature for more consistent performance, even during performance driving
    • Inertial measurement unit that provides more precise measurements of body motion relative to the wheel for more accurate readings under heavy braking, hard cornering and other driving conditions
    • Improved magnetic flux control that creates a more consistent and accurate transition between rebound and compression
    • Improvements to transient body control that allow the vehicle to remain more level while transitioning between corners

    MacPherson strut front suspension:

    • Ride link includes an all-new 100-percent elastomer bushing on the CT4-V Blackwing and a retuned hydro bushing on the CT5-V Blackwing, for improved ride response
    • Handling link has cross-axis ball joints for improved lateral control and quicker steering response

    Five-link independent rear suspension:

    • Lateral link features stiffer bushings for faster response and increased cornering agility
    • Toe link has cross-axis ball joints for increased stability and driver confidence
    • Rear knuckles have increased stiffness for improved braking and better control during cornering
    • Rear cradle mounts have been stiffened for optimum balance between road comfort and track performance

    V-Series Blackwing models are built on Cadillac’s award-winning rear-wheel drive architecture and feature unique structural enhancements including shock tower braces, an underside shear plate and thicker rear cross members to improve chassis rigidity. Along with the unique suspension elements, the stiffer structure enhances steering response, handling and the everyday driving experience.

    All-day performance, on and off the track
    The CT5-V Blackwing and CT4-V Blackwing build on Cadillac’s racing heritage and were developed to be track-capable straight from the factory. That includes an intensive validation program to ensure consistent performance during the most challenging track conditions.

    Validation for both models included:

    • Twenty-four-hour continuous track testing with the available automatic transmission, available carbon fiber aero package, aluminum wheels and available carbon ceramic brake package
    • Twelve-hour continuous track testing with the standard manual transmission, available carbon fiber aero package, aluminum wheels and available carbon ceramic brake package

    Functional aerodynamics, including an available carbon fiber aero package, contribute to the V-Series Blackwing models’ track prowess to support a variety of cooling needs for the cars’ respective engines, transmissions, axles and other supporting systems.

    Additionally, MICHELIN® Pilot Sport 4S tires developed exclusively for the V-Series Blackwing models contribute to their balance of track capability and road comfort. Highlights include:

    • Unique, multiple-compound tread composition:
      • Contact patch composed of three unique tread rubber compounds
      • Racing “R compound” used for the majority of the tread
      • Compounds optimized for wet traction, enhanced street and track durability, as well as rolling resistance
    • The mold shape of the tire has been specifically engineered for Blackwing models to optimize contact with the road
    • Tire sizes:
      • CT5-V Blackwing tire size: 275/35ZR19 (front) and 305/30ZR19 (rear)
      • CT4-V Blackwing tire size: 255/35ZR18 (front) and 275/35ZR18 (rear)

    Both V-Series Blackwing vehicles feature standard forged aluminum alloy wheels with staggered widths, front to rear. These forged wheels are stronger and lighter than conventional cast aluminum.

    Wheel sizes:

    • CT5-V Blackwing: Front – 19 x 10 inches / Rear – 19 x 11 inches
    • CT4-V Blackwing: Front – 18 x 9 inches / Rear – 18 x 9.5 inches

    Coming this summer
    Reservations for both vehicles open on Feb. 1, 2021 at 7:30 p.m. ET on Cadillac.com, with deliveries later this summer. Pricing begins at $59,9901 for the CT4-V Blackwing and $84,9901 for the CT5-V Blackwing.

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    On 2/7/2021 at 9:39 AM, balthazar said:

    Mercedes sold 75,000 FWD-based vehicles in the (down) year of '20 in the U.S. alone. 

    Vast majority of these in both cases are AWD, but at least Cadillac isn't building FWD-based sports sedans

    Knock it all you'd like, the CLA45 is a pretty bad-ass little sedan. 

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    28 minutes ago, balthazar said:

    CT4-V Blackwing is better.

    At what? 

    I mean, I think I'd prefer the RWD CT4-Vwith a manual transmission as well but that doesn't take anything away from how bad-@ss the CLA45 is. 

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    1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

    At what? 

    I mean, I think I'd prefer the RWD CT4-Vwith a manual transmission as well but that doesn't take anything away from how bad-@ss the CLA45 is. 

    Define what is bad ass about the CLA45?

    I think your meaning AMG CLA45 and even then that is just a turd of a Jellybean style wise. Nothing that makes it look any hotter compared to the Cadillac.

    And dare we say a true from the start RWD for Cadillac, True from the Start FWD for the CLA!

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    1 hour ago, balthazar said:

    CT4-V Blackwing is better.

     

    1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

    At what? 

    I mean, I think I'd prefer the RWD CT4-Vwith a manual transmission as well but that doesn't take anything away from how bad-@ss the CLA45 is. 

    The Alpha platform is superbly weighted and balanced, one of the absolute best balanced platforms in the industry. The FWD based CLA does not have that. 

    The Alpha platform does everything that the enthusiast crowd loved about BMWs from 2003 before BMWs got heavy and lost their steering feel.  But Pole movers like SMK pulled up the goal and decided that flabby 3-series were the new ideal. 

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    23 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

    Pay attention to what I said. The original Maybach was built to compete with RR but was far cheaper, something you were clearly okay with, yet somehow the CT5 can’t compete with the E Class because it is also cheaper? Olds is right. Get new material because what you’ve said on this entire thread is old, outdated, and at times just flat out wrong. 

    Except it’s not a $36K caddy competing with a $100K car. It’s an $85K Blackwing that does and until you’ve actually sat in said Blackwing, you are just talking out of thin air about the interior. Shall we bring up how plain Jane a base E Class interior looks? Nothing but black everywhere I see. 

    The 2005 Maybach 62 cost MORE than the 2005 Rolls-Royce Phantom by $46,250.   And the base model Maybach 57 had the same price as the Phantom.  Then 2 years later Maybach put the 57S and 62S on sale and the 57S was 40k more than a Phantom and the 62S was about $100,000 more than the Phantom.  I don't know why you think the Maybach's were cheaper than a Rolls.  

    As far as the CT5 goes, The CTS undercut the 5-series and E-class by $10k, and the CT5 undercuts the CTS by $10k.   If Cadillac wanted an E-class competitor why did they price it lower than the CTS?  Why not upgrade the vehicle and move it up market.  

     

     

    23 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

    But a badge reengineered S Class is okay for the likes of the Maybach name though right?

     

    Again, get new material. 

    The Maybach name is a trim level.  Why is GMC Yukon Denali a good idea and S-class Maybach not a good idea?  It is the same thing.

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    3 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    The 2005 Maybach 62 cost MORE than the 2005 Rolls-Royce Phantom by $46,250.   And the base model Maybach 57 had the same price as the Phantom.  Then 2 years later Maybach put the 57S and 62S on sale and the 57S was 40k more than a Phantom and the 62S was about $100,000 more than the Phantom.  I don't know why you think the Maybach's were cheaper than a Rolls.  

    As far as the CT5 goes, The CTS undercut the 5-series and E-class by $10k, and the CT5 undercuts the CTS by $10k.   If Cadillac wanted an E-class competitor why did they price it lower than the CTS?  Why not upgrade the vehicle and move it up market.  

     

     

    The Maybach name is a trim level.  Why is GMC Yukon Denali a good idea and S-class Maybach not a good idea?  It is the same thing.

    And there you go moving the field goal around the yard to justify you avoiding answering real questions and pushing your own Kool-Aid Daimler agenda.

    🙄

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    1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

     

    The Alpha platform is superbly weighted and balanced, one of the absolute best balanced platforms in the industry. The FWD based CLA does not have that. 

    The Alpha platform does everything that the enthusiast crowd loved about BMWs from 2003 before BMWs got heavy and lost their steering feel.  But Pole movers like SMK pulled up the goal and decided that flabby 3-series were the new ideal. 

    The CLA45 is faster around a racetrack than the Alpha platform ATS-V, the CT4-V and CT5-V.  So if the Alpha platform was that good, shouldn't a 464 hp ATS-V be faster around the track than a 382 hp CLA45?  

    Also I don't t think Cadillac owners were asking for an E90 3-series with a cheaper interior.  Which is why the ATS tanked, wrong car for the market, and the CT4 sales are tanking and it hasn't even been on sale long.  

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    1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

     

    The Alpha platform is superbly weighted and balanced, one of the absolute best balanced platforms in the industry. The FWD based CLA does not have that. 

    The Alpha platform does everything that the enthusiast crowd loved about BMWs from 2003 before BMWs got heavy and lost their steering feel.  But Pole movers like SMK pulled up the goal and decided that flabby 3-series were the new ideal. 

    Oh I've never said the Alpha platform cars weren't of the best in the industry. Just the broad statement "CT4-V Blackwing is better" is awfully generalized. 

    Also, I'm not trying to take a single thing away from the CT4-VB, I'm just saying the CLA45 isn't one that should really be criticized as it's great in its own way. Yeah, it's roots are "wrong wheel drive" but it's received great reviews for being an absolute hoot to drive. 

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    2 hours ago, David said:

    Define what is bad ass about the CLA45?

    I think your meaning AMG CLA45 and even then that is just a turd of a Jellybean style wise. Nothing that makes it look any hotter compared to the Cadillac.

    And dare we say a true from the start RWD for Cadillac, True from the Start FWD for the CLA!

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    First of all, I'm not dismissing the CT4-VB. I'm saying the CLA45 isn't one to pick on. It's freakin quick(0-60 in 4 seconds flat - yes, 0.2 slower than the CT4-VB, negligible unless you're smk), AWD system capable of "drift mode", and it still receives all sorts of praise for it's handling while being wrong-wheel drive-based. 

    Looks are subjective and I'm not a fan of the CT4's overall styling. It just doesn't do much for me nor does the CLA. CT5 is better with the longer proportions. 

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    10 minutes ago, David said:

    And there you go moving the field goal around the yard to justify you avoiding answering real questions and pushing your own Kool-Aid Daimler agenda.

    🙄

    What goal post, it was stated that Maybach was cheaper than Rolls and that is the same as Cadillac being cheaper than Mercedes.  Except the Maybach was NOT CHEAPER than a Rolls, they were priced the same.  Cadillac prices their cars below the Germans not the same like Maybach did when they went against Rolls-Royce.  

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    32 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    The 2005 Maybach 62 cost MORE than the 2005 Rolls-Royce Phantom by $46,250.   And the base model Maybach 57 had the same price as the Phantom.  Then 2 years later Maybach put the 57S and 62S on sale and the 57S was 40k more than a Phantom and the 62S was about $100,000 more than the Phantom.  I don't know why you think the Maybach's were cheaper than a Rolls.  

    As far as the CT5 goes, The CTS undercut the 5-series and E-class by $10k, and the CT5 undercuts the CTS by $10k.   If Cadillac wanted an E-class competitor why did they price it lower than the CTS?  Why not upgrade the vehicle and move it up market.  

     

     

    The Maybach name is a trim level.  Why is GMC Yukon Denali a good idea and S-class Maybach not a good idea?  It is the same thing.

    Fair point on the price front, back then. However, they still couldn’t compete and sold the remaining US back overseas when the sales turned sour. Now, they are exponentially cheaper than the Rolls while still thinking they are competing with them. The core point stands. You feel it’s okay for them to target the big boys at a lower price point but somehow it’s wrong for Cadillac to do the same. That’s the goalpost moving we are all referring to. 

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    13 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    What goal post, it was stated that Maybach was cheaper than Rolls and that is the same as Cadillac being cheaper than Mercedes.  Except the Maybach was NOT CHEAPER than a Rolls, they were priced the same.  Cadillac prices their cars below the Germans not the same like Maybach did when they went against Rolls-Royce.  

    Yet you struggle to not stay focused on the FACT this was about the Cadillac CT4 & 5 V-Blackwing edition. Everyone time someone points out how Daimler is now BEHIND Cadillac, you have to throw in EVERYTHING else NOT RELATED to this focus on this thread.

    What does Rolls or Maybach have to do with the BlackWings? NOTHING, you could ignore and just stay focus and would be better for it, but you have to flitter off into the back 40 Upper 40 Lower 40 to play smoke n mirrors about the fact that Cadillac Luxury maker has a pair of high quality LUXURY Speed Demon cars and Daimler is now BEHIND them. 

    Normal as everyone leap frogs in this industry.

    You would rather bring in CUVs, FWD Appliance auto's that have been heavily massaged by their AMG division of lower level or higher level than seeing where these auto's truly are.

    What Ever! 🙄

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    27 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    The CLA45 is faster around a racetrack than the Alpha platform ATS-V, the CT4-V and CT5-V.  So if the Alpha platform was that good, shouldn't a 464 hp ATS-V be faster around the track than a 382 hp CLA45?  

    Also I don't t think Cadillac owners were asking for an E90 3-series with a cheaper interior.  Which is why the ATS tanked, wrong car for the market, and the CT4 sales are tanking and it hasn't even been on sale long.  

    The top of the line CLA45 should be faster than a no longer made ATS-V or mid-range CT4-V. Again, those goalposts are getting mighty tired. 

    5 minutes ago, David said:

    Yet you struggle to not stay focused on the FACT this was about the Cadillac CT4 & 5 V-Blackwing edition. Everyone time someone points out how Daimler is now BEHIND Cadillac, you have to throw in EVERYTHING else NOT RELATED to this focus on this thread.

    What does Rolls or Maybach have to do with the BlackWings? NOTHING, you could ignore and just stay focus and would be better for it, but you have to flitter off into the back 40 Upper 40 Lower 40 to play smoke n mirrors about the fact that Cadillac Luxury maker has a pair of high quality LUXURY Speed Demon cars and Daimler is now BEHIND them. 

    Normal as everyone leap frogs in this industry.

    You would rather bring in CUVs, FWD Appliance auto's that have been heavily massaged by their AMG division of lower level or higher level than seeing where these auto's truly are.

    What Ever! 🙄

    To be fair, I brought up Maybach and Rolls (their huge current price differences) in counter to his assumption that Cadillac can’t compete with lower priced models n

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    The whole point, that SMK intentionally misses is that Cadillac can compete at a lower price point and that’s mostly because the German competition is overpriced in the U.S. to begin with. It’s not that hard to figure out honestly but that BS has hijacked this thread for too long so...again, I love that a six speed manual comes standard on the Caddy’s!

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    2 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

    Fair point on the price front, back then. However, they still couldn’t compete and sold the remaining US back overseas when the sales turned sour. Now, they are exponentially cheaper than the Rolls while still thinking they are competing with them. The core point stands. You feel it’s okay for them to target the big boys at a lower price point but somehow it’s wrong for Cadillac to do the same. That’s the goalpost moving we are all referring to. 

    But they aren't targeting Rolls-Royce anymore.  They tried and it didn't work.   What they did realize is that there are people that will pay for an upgraded S-class or GLS to be chauffeured in, and they capitalized on that market.  Really Cadillac should do the same with the Escalade and Celestiq and maybe Lyric, I don't know how expensive that will be.   But China has a lot of chauffeur driven cars.

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    1 hour ago, surreal1272 said:

    The whole point, that SMK intentionally misses is that Cadillac can compete at a lower price point and that’s mostly because the German competition is overpriced in the U.S. to begin with. It’s not that hard to figure out honestly but that BS has hijacked this thread for too long so...again, I love that a six speed manual comes standard on the Caddy’s!

    Cadillac's best argument is that they are cheaper than the Germans.   I think Cadillac should target Acura, Infiniti and Lincoln and really try to dominate those makers who they can probably almost put out of business if they tried.  They aren't going to convert the Tesla faithful nor are they going to beat the Germans, it has been 20 years of seriously trying to compete with the Germans, and 20 more years before that with half-ass attempts like the Cimarron and Allante and Seville.  I don't understand why they keep trying the same old stuff.

    And I watched the Autoline interview with Cadillac's chief engineer, and I sort of got the sense that this is both the last hurrah of their gas performance sedans, and he sort of mentioned they looked at a rear drive SUV, but didn't go that direction.  I think GM won't put money into a gas Cadillac after this year, and XT4/XT5/XT6 will probably be around as is for another 4-5 years as they just die on the vine, before they just make this brand all EV.

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    1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

    But they aren't targeting Rolls-Royce anymore.  They tried and it didn't work.   What they did realize is that there are people that will pay for an upgraded S-class or GLS to be chauffeured in, and they capitalized on that market.  Really Cadillac should do the same with the Escalade and Celestiq and maybe Lyric, I don't know how expensive that will be.   But China has a lot of chauffeur driven cars.

    They are still targeting RR as well as Bentley. 

    1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

    Cadillac's best argument is that they are cheaper than the Germans.   I think Cadillac should target Acura, Infiniti and Lincoln and really try to dominate those makers who they can probably almost put out of business if they tried.  They aren't going to convert the Tesla faithful nor are they going to beat the Germans, it has been 20 years of seriously trying to compete with the Germans, and 20 more years before that with half-ass attempts like the Cimarron and Allante and Seville.  I don't understand why they keep trying the same old stuff.

    And I watched the Autoline interview with Cadillac's chief engineer, and I sort of got the sense that this is both the last hurrah of their gas performance sedans, and he sort of mentioned they looked at a rear drive SUV, but didn't go that direction.  I think GM won't put money into a gas Cadillac after this year, and XT4/XT5/XT6 will probably be around as is for another 4-5 years as they just die on the vine, before they just make this brand all EV.

    Not even bothering with the rest of the nonsense and I’ll just focus on your first sentence. Price was not best argument when cars like the 2nd gen CTS-V was spanking the Germans. It was the better drivers car overall. The same applies to the Blackwing as well. 
     

    I do find it a bit hilarious that you think Cadillac won’t convert Tesla owners but I bet you think Benz can even though they are further down the EV pipeline than GM. Just stop the fanboy nonsense already. 

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    15 hours ago, David said:

    Everyone time someone points out how Daimler is now BEHIND Cadillac, you have to throw in EVERYTHING else NOT RELATED to this focus on this thread.

    Diamler isn't behind Cadillac, in pretty much any metric you'd like to use. 

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    15 hours ago, David said:

    What does Rolls or Maybach have to do with the BlackWings? NOTHING, you could ignore and just stay focus and would be better for it, but you have to flitter off into the back 40 Upper 40 Lower 40 to play smoke n mirrors about the fact that Cadillac Luxury maker has a pair of high quality LUXURY Speed Demon cars and Daimler is now BEHIND them. 

    Scroll back and you'll find USA and Balthy mentioned Rolls and Maybach before smk did, Thursday, to help with your search. 

    If you're an honest man, you'd get on those two for mentioning Rolls and Maybach. 

    Diamler is miles ahead of Cadillac. Cadillac wishes and dreams they could be what Mercedes and BMW are. 

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    Daimler isn't competing with Cadillac, it's competing with General Motors.

    GM is worth 15% / $10 billion more than Daimler, and sold 7.7 million units in '19, vs. 2.8 million.

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    1 hour ago, balthazar said:

    Daimler isn't competing with Cadillac, it's competing with General Motors.

    GM is worth 15% / $10 billion more than Daimler, and sold 7.7 million units in '19, vs. 2.8 million.

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    Ya, I'm sure it was me who sent things down another track. Oopsie.

    I assume that is before the split of Diamler's large truck division? I'm not sure what percentage of business that is, but I'd assume it is a decent chunk and "Diamler" will be worth a good bit less. 

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