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    The Non-V CT4 Revealed

      ...Introing the base model to the world...

    When Cadillac introduced the CT4 back on May 30th, they only introduced the V-series version of the car. Today Cadillac unveiled the standard versions of the car in Sport, Luxury, and Premium Luxury trims.  Each one styled slightly differently, the Luxury and Premium Luxury models come with brighter exterior accents and metallic grilles.  The Sport version is has a more aggressive mesh grille, sportier fascias, rear spoiler, darkened accents and model specific 18-inch wheels. 

    CT4 Luxury:
    Leather Steering wheel
    8-inch Touch or Dial operated infotainment system
    Android Auto and Apple CarPlay
    Dual Zone Climate Control
    Active Noise Cancelation

    CT4 Premium Luxury:
    Leather seating
    LED Ambient Lighting
    Alluminum trim
    RainSense
    Forward Collision Alert
    Front Pedestrian Braking
    Automatic Emergency Braking
    Rear Park Assist
    Safety Alert Seat

    CT4 Sport:
    All of Premium Luxury
    Sport Seats
    Unique Trim
    Alloy Pedals
    Brembo front brakes

    CT4-V:
    Limited Slip Rear Differential
    Magnetic Ride Control (RWD Only) or ZF MVS Passive Dampers (AWD)
    Available SuperCruise (later in 2020)

     Power wise, the CT4 has a choice of 3 power configurations.  The 2.0-liter turbo has 237 horsepower and 258 lb-ft of torque and is connected to an 8-speed automatic transmission.  The 2.7-liter turbo in the Premium Luxury produces 309 horsepower and 348 lb.-ft of torque or in the V gets 325 horsepower and 380 lb.-ft of torque.  Both 2.7 liters route power through a 10-speed automatic.  Both the 2.0 and 2.7 have a three-step sliding camshaft design, active fuel management, and automatic start-stop.

    The Cadillac CT4 will be available for ordering later this year with pricing announced closer to production.

     

     

    Source and Images: Cadillac

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    11 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

    The trunk area is still a visual disaster but overall, it’s a nice looking ride. 

    This would be too small for me unfortunately. I'm thinking a CT5 with SuperCruise sometime in my future unless I get a new house. 

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    I wonder how they will price it.  

    Also not sure why they offer a 309 hp and a 325 hp version, seems a bit redundant.

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    2 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    I wonder how they will price it.  

    Also not sure why they offer a 309 hp and a 325 hp version, seems a bit redundant.

    Between the A-Class and the newly more expensive CLA (now $37,645 for 2020) base price.  The CT5 is starting in the $38k range and that's basically CTS sized.  Cadillac is aiming to be the most spacious in their respective price class. 

    and because horsepower doesn't matter when the torque is jumping by that much. It's a 10-speed automatic, that 380 lb.-ft will always be available 

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    CT5 is $38k, I wonder if this will start at $29,995.  I think Cadillac is smart to go with size and value, it is the only strategy that has ever worked for them.

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    1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    This would be too small for me unfortunately. I'm thinking a CT5 with SuperCruise sometime in my future unless I get a new house. 

    Same here. The size wouldn’t work for me but overall it seems to be a nice package for folks looking at that class of car. 

    9 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    CT5 is $38k, I wonder if this will start at $29,995.  I think Cadillac is smart to go with size and value, it is the only strategy that has ever worked for them.

    You mean like what Benz did when they began selling cars like the CLA, GLA, and A Class? Yes, smart move. 

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    1 hour ago, surreal1272 said:

    Same here. The size wouldn’t work for me but overall it seems to be a nice package for folks looking at that class of car. 

    You mean like what Benz did when they began selling cars like the CLA, GLA, and A Class? Yes, smart move. 

    CT4 is the size of a C-class, which starts at $41,400.  They need at least a $10k undercut to give the CT4 a chance.  No demand for a Cadillac the size of the A-class.

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    1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

    CT4 is the size of a C-class, which starts at $41,400.  They need at least a $10k undercut to give the CT4 a chance.  No demand for a Cadillac the size of the A-class.

    Of course not. Cadillacs are meant to be big... not sardine cans like the A-Class. 

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    1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

    CT4 is the size of a C-class, which starts at $41,400.  They need at least a $10k undercut to give the CT4 a chance.  No demand for a Cadillac the size of the A-class.

    That literally has nothing to do with the price of tea in China. At a lower price point, it gets priced with the lower end model A Class which is Mercedes value priced luxury car. Same formula only the Cadillac comes on the better end of it. 

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    That is my point, the CT4 should be priced like an A-class and sized like a C-Class.  Cadillac needs to push size for price, that is their only working strategy.  Every other play they have tried in the past 20 years failed.

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    I am liking this more and more, a kind of reskin that looks good.  The white one pictures here are nice.  And the interior is much improved.  But as mentioned, the size of it is small and that has always been a problem for the ATS, its just that much too small that it hurt sales.

    With a new motor, trans, and interior and the reskin if they keep the price in line, it may develop into a decent entry level car.  To do that, GM will have to get the cheap leases going.

    I really dig the dash design of the CT4 and CT5.

    Still annoyed that blind spot is not standard on a caddy.

    It hurts that the Ct4 looks way nicer than the CT5 IMO

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    11 minutes ago, frogger said:

    The CT4 looks very good until the ugly rear end, Ct5 is ugly from the C-pillar back.

     

    Yeah, side profile and front are fine...the rear would be better if they moved the license plate mounting up into the trunklid and squared off the trunklid opening.....it just looks weird the way it's placed and too many lines.  The weird recesses around the taillights also don't help, they make the trunklid appear to bulge outward. 

       I like the roofline and C-pillars, very similar to the ATS with none of the weirdness of the CT5. 

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    16 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

    Same here. The size wouldn’t work for me but overall it seems to be a nice package for folks looking at that class of car. 

    You mean like what Benz did when they began selling cars like the CLA, GLA, and A Class? Yes, smart move. 

    Exactly. What Cadillac needs to do is realize a huge thing that they missed since Wagoner and Co left RenCen... that they could offer Bentley levels of luxury.. but because they are AMERICAN.. in this age.. they will always be considered not as worth of higher costs over the Germans in base packages. In other words.. U can price a CT6 as high as a 7Series... but U must do so strategically and via options and packages. That base price tho.. that must come off like a value. AMERICANS are self loathing.

    I challenge even the German's staunchest defender to show me where a based on the CT4's specs thus far.. what makes a comparable 2020 3Series (the leader) a better car to justify a price jump.. other than marketing and longevity in the market place. Ironically.. as I've said many times.. in 2016 I spent $100K on my CTS-V and a friend spent $110K on their M5.. he was disturbed when we both pulled up at spots.. and people wanted to converse about my Cadillac.. take pics standing next to my Cadillac.. and paid no attention to his BMW. Often commenting.. "must be nice." "Is that the V?" "Very classy.. probably cost U a mint.."

    BMW M5.. nothin.

    Cadillac can pull this is off.. if only they stick to the place.. be consistent.. stop **cking changing names and strategy.. and continue to build. AND 4GODSAKE!!! Don't kill any cars.. add at least 4 more.. one above the 6, coupes for the 4 and 5, and a variant of the C8. 

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    Also.. its quite obvious what they did was create a baby CT6 in the CT4. It looks like a scaled down versions and carries its size change very well. Would be nice if the CT8 were coming it be a larger version of the CT5.. which in essence is a scaled down version of the Escala concept

    2020-cadillac-ct4-sport-102-1568309524.j

    I'm cool with the engine base too. They did a more balanced and proper take on the 2.0L Turbo where the HP may be down as much as 35HP (from a 2014 ATS), but the torque comes in way earlier and continues well into the upper RPMs.. all while giving the model a more fuel efficient option that was once filled by the weak 2.5L. I'm good with this.. because ONCE AGAIN.. if one doesn't like the bottom engine.. they can opt for a more powerful one. CHOICES! LOL.. If Cadillac asked some.. they would only be offering the LT2 in their cars.

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    12 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    That is my point, the CT4 should be priced like an A-class and sized like a C-Class.  Cadillac needs to push size for price, that is their only working strategy.  Every other play they have tried in the past 20 years failed.

    Literally not the point I was making as you have sidestepped it completely. My point is that BOTH companies are playing a value strategy only Cadillacs plan seems to be a better one. I just love how you completely missed the fact that Benz is also playing the value card and has for years now. 

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    Who is executing the value play better? Cadillac or Mercedes Benz?

    Since the 1980s, Americans have forsaken Lincoln and Cadillac for the Germans (and Lexus since 1990).  The best answer is simply to undercut the Germans and provide more value to the luxury experience.  It may take a generation to be cured of the Germans as luxury standard (Bentley/Rolls Royce aside), but that is what Cadillac and Lincoln must do.

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    6 minutes ago, riviera74 said:

    Who is executing the value play better? Cadillac or Mercedes Benz?

    Since the 1980s, Americans have forsaken Lincoln and Cadillac for the Germans (and Lexus since 1990).  The best answer is simply to undercut the Germans and provide more value to the luxury experience.  It may take a generation to be cured of the Germans as luxury standard (Bentley/Rolls Royce aside), but that is what Cadillac and Lincoln must do.

    My point was that even the Germans, especially Benz has been the playing value card with their sub-$30K cars and CUVs. Certain German car fans seem to think only Cadillac has to do that to succeed when that is clearly not the case. Cadillacs value plan though seems to be a better one. Now if they’ll just stick with it and execute it, then they will be okay. 

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    31 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

    Literally not the point I was making as you have sidestepped it completely. My point is that BOTH companies are playing a value strategy only Cadillacs plan seems to be a better one. I just love how you completely missed the fact that Benz is also playing the value card and has for years now. 

    I don't think Mercedes has played the value card since I've been into vehicles. Just offering a small, cheap car doesn't mean it's much of a "value". I wouldn't consider a 33k sub compact car much of a value proposition. Whereas Cadillac is offering much more size/room for roughly the same dollar amount of Mercedes/BMW/Audi. That shows more car for the dollar which is a value proposition, imo. 

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    15 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

    My point was that even the Germans, especially Benz has been the playing value card with their sub-$30K cars and CUVs. Certain German car fans seem to think only Cadillac has to do that to succeed when that is clearly not the case. Cadillacs value plan though seems to be a better one. Now if they’ll just stick with it and execute it, then they will be okay. 

    @smk4565 thinks that Cadillac has to offer a luxury Cruze to compete with the A-Class, but price it $4k cheaper.  Instead Cadillac is offering a better handling and larger RWD car at the same price as the A-Class. 

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    Dear Mercedes-Benz,

    Please go back to the days where the number behind the letter meant something.

    Sincerely,

    Everybody

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    1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    @smk4565 thinks that Cadillac has to offer a luxury Cruze to compete with the A-Class, but price it $4k cheaper.  Instead Cadillac is offering a better handling and larger RWD car at the same price as the A-Class. 

    People complain Mercedes is overpriced and poor value, then complain that Mercedes are too cheap and too low end.  Hmm, can’t be both ways.

    I don’t think Cadillac needs a luxury Cruze or anything smaller than the CT4, the CT4 will probably be a sales dud even In the low $30s.  A-class will out sell it.  CT5 might do better than CTS did, I think they got the pricing right on that.   But Cadillac has no other option than to price way under the Germans.  

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    2 hours ago, ccap41 said:

    I don't think Mercedes has played the value card since I've been into vehicles. Just offering a small, cheap car doesn't mean it's much of a "value". I wouldn't consider a 33k sub compact car much of a value proposition. Whereas Cadillac is offering much more size/room for roughly the same dollar amount of Mercedes/BMW/Audi. That shows more car for the dollar which is a value proposition, imo. 

    Bear in mind that “value” is a subjective term. The CLA was a sub-$30 car when it came out. By any measure, that is a value luxury car for the value luxury crowd. The GLA and A Class are playing to a similar crowd. And as I have already pointed out, Cadillac is just doing it better with this game plan. 

    3 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    People complain Mercedes is overpriced and poor value, then complain that Mercedes are too cheap and too low end.  Hmm, can’t be both ways.

    I don’t think Cadillac needs a luxury Cruze or anything smaller than the CT4, the CT4 will probably be a sales dud even In the low $30s.  A-class will out sell it.  CT5 might do better than CTS did, I think they got the pricing right on that.   But Cadillac has no other option than to price way under the Germans.  

    You have a problem with context when you talk about those “people”. Oh and are we now saying that sales matter? I ask that because you offer up a different set of excuses when cars like the XT5 and the Escalade outsell their German counterparts. 

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    42 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    People complain Mercedes is overpriced and poor value, then complain that Mercedes are too cheap and too low end.  Hmm, can’t be both ways.

    I don’t think Cadillac needs a luxury Cruze or anything smaller than the CT4, the CT4 will probably be a sales dud even In the low $30s.  A-class will out sell it.  CT5 might do better than CTS did, I think they got the pricing right on that.   But Cadillac has no other option than to price way under the Germans.  

    Yes it can be both ways when Mercedes is putting out both ends of the spectrum.  The A-Class/CLA is just a luxury Cruze… or Cobalt SS if you want to talk about horsepower. 

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    5 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    People complain Mercedes is overpriced and poor value, then complain that Mercedes are too cheap and too low end.  Hmm, can’t be both ways.

    I don’t think Cadillac needs a luxury Cruze or anything smaller than the CT4, the CT4 will probably be a sales dud even In the low $30s.  A-class will out sell it.  CT5 might do better than CTS did, I think they got the pricing right on that.   But Cadillac has no other option than to price way under the Germans.  

    Just accept that Mercedes is NOT a Luxury auto only company, but have changed into the Toyota/GM/ just about any other auto company with making cheap to expensive auto's that cover a wide range of income categories.

    You cannot be a luxury auto maker only when you are making JCPenny's priced products too.

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