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    2017 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 Produces 650 Horsepower and Pound-Feet

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    When Chevrolet revealed the 2017 Camaro ZL1 at the New York Auto Show earlier this year, it was said that the supercharged 6.2L V8 would produce 640 horsepower and 640 pound-feet of torque. But a leaked order guide shows that the Camaro ZL1 actually has a little bit more power.

     

    The folks at Camaro6 forum got their hands on a leaked order guide for the 2017 Camaro and found out that the ZL1 actually produces 650 horsepower and 650 pound-feet of torque. Just to put that in perspective, the Corvette Z06 has the same power numbers. We're sensing there will be a fight when the ZL1 arrives later this year.

     

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    Great news for Camaro fans... but I'm not sure if it means the Z06 won't be getting a few more hp as well. New hood, new cooling upgrades...

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    I am a true blue Chevy fan, but the Camaro is just too expensive.  People will always shop it against the Mustang and Challenger... not a BMW M4.  650 horsepower is NOTHING to sneeze at... but at what price?  A Mustang 5.0 can be had for $4-$6k less than Camaro SS with disciplined ordering... plus it is dead sexy.  The Camaro looks good, if a bit detached, closed in and emotionally unavailable, while the Mustang's been doing squats (dat ass tho!) and is not afraid to flaunt it.

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    GM's profit sheet would seem to indicate that the Camaro is pushing the envelope of affordability as opposed to tearing it. The weakest link in the Camaro chain price-wise is the 2SS, and even it offers a performance premium proportional to its price premium over the Mustang GT.

    In fact, if the 1LE comes in at 60 grand I would make the argument that it is, by far, the best value per dollar proposition for ponycar fans. It will almost certainly match the power to weight of a Hellcat but with more tire and gears, and it has the goods to annihilate the GT350.

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    Except ya forgot that even true blue Chevy fans also place value on looks and among other things practicalities.

     

    Now, both the GT350 and the 1LE will probably ride worse than a standard tune GT/SS, but the point being, performance value is one kind of value. There's many different kinds of values that together make a purchase.

     

    I couldn't care anymore. A car that comes out 2 model years later should damn well be better than the competition. 

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    I am a true blue Chevy fan, but the Camaro is just too expensive.  People will always shop it against the Mustang and Challenger... not a BMW M4.  650 horsepower is NOTHING to sneeze at... but at what price?  A Mustang 5.0 can be had for $4-$6k less than Camaro SS with disciplined ordering... plus it is dead sexy.  The Camaro looks good, if a bit detached, closed in and emotionally unavailable, while the Mustang's been doing squats (dat ass tho!) and is not afraid to flaunt it.

    I'll agree on the 'closed in' part since I just drove a Camaro SS convertible and felt like that even with the top down. I'm not sure about the other two since I felt the Camaro had slightly more emotion than the Mustang. Plus I feel more attached to the Camaro than Mustang.

    Although if you were to ask me which car has the most emotion, I would put the Challenger on top.

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    650 hp doesn't make the back seat bigger, doesn't make the vehicle any easier to see out of or feel less bunker like.

     

    the prices are a lot of what is killing the sales.

     

    they really could reskin this car with a taller roof and thinner pillars and keep a look of say, the 69.

     

    fantastic car.  Give it another 6 months, GM will or should adjust the pricing and packaging and get rebates going.

     

    They'll probably get more profits off the special editions like this than v6's with a few options.  

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    Please.

    Please.

    Let us NOT complain about price.

    THAT is the price you pay to play.

    If not....a regular SS will have to do.

    And if THAT price tag is too high, then a turbo 4 ecotec is the way to go.

    Hey...that little 4 cylinder packs nearly 300 horsepower and as much torque.

    A C4 Vette had wet dreams to have that much under the hood.

    It took a 1992 LT1 Vette to eek out more power that this little turbo ecotec. (yes yes...1990 ZR1)

     

    And please...the ORIGINAL 1969 Camaro ZL1 aluminium big block 427 also had a sky high price tag...

     

    The 650/650 club.

    Its a phoking nice club to be in....

    Not to mention the handling characteristics of this beast. (and beast this is....in looks and in performance)

     

    I saw my first Challenger Hellcat today.

    I was full of glee.

    If I ever come across ANY Camaro ZL1, be it an F-Body or Zeta or Alpha...I will probably shyte myself with glee as much as I had with the Hellcat today.

     

    Why?

     

    Because  tremendously V8 powered muscle car....that is why!!!

     

    The sales may not be there...

    Its because:

    1. Its a coupe

    2. It aint a SUV

    3. Insurance kills these cars.

     

    Same reasons why the Camaro died in 2002.

    Hell, same reasons why all muscle cars died in 1974...

    Edited by oldshurst442

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    Except ya forgot that even true blue Chevy fans also place value on looks and among other things practicalities.

     

    Now, both the GT350 and the 1LE will probably ride worse than a standard tune GT/SS, but the point being, performance value is one kind of value. There's many different kinds of values that together make a purchase.

     

    I couldn't care anymore. A car that comes out 2 model years later should damn well be better than the competition.

    I suspect the 1LE will ride better than any of them. MR shocks and all.

    Your point about the newer car being better is not something you should take for granted. After all, let's not forget that the Alpha platform is actually OLDER than S550. Engineered to standard, not a price.

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    Except ya forgot that even true blue Chevy fans also place value on looks and among other things practicalities.

     

    Now, both the GT350 and the 1LE will probably ride worse than a standard tune GT/SS, but the point being, performance value is one kind of value. There's many different kinds of values that together make a purchase.

     

    I couldn't care anymore. A car that comes out 2 model years later should damn well be better than the competition.

    FYI the 2017 GT350, which will be out soon, comes standard with MR Dampers.

    It'll ride nicely.

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    Tomorrow, tomorrow, I love you tomorrow, the SS has them toooooo-day...

    Yes. Tomorrow, tomorrow...

    Like the ZL1 and 1LE

    And unlike the SS and current GT350, the MR will be standard and not an option.

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    Tomorrow, tomorrow, I love you tomorrow, the SS has them toooooo-day...

    Yes. Tomorrow, tomorrow...

    Like the ZL1 and 1LE

    And unlike the SS, the MR will be standard and not an option.

    On a near $50K car, it damn well better be standard. As it stands, you can get MRC cheaper on a 2SS than you will be able to get on the 2017 GT350.

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    Tomorrow, tomorrow, I love you tomorrow, the SS has them toooooo-day...

    Yes. Tomorrow, tomorrow...

    Like the ZL1 and 1LE

    And unlike the SS, the MR will be standard and not an option.

    On a near $50K car, it damn well better be standard. As it stands, you can get MRC cheaper on a 2SS than you will be able to get on the 2017 GT350.

    Yes the MR should be standard equipment on 50k + cars like the GT350 and Corvette.

    Nice to Ford rectify this.

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    Tomorrow, tomorrow, I love you tomorrow, the SS has them toooooo-day...

    Yes. Tomorrow, tomorrow...

    Like the ZL1 and 1LE

    And unlike the SS, the MR will be standard and not an option.

    On a near $50K car, it damn well better be standard. As it stands, you can get MRC cheaper on a 2SS than you will be able to get on the 2017 GT350.

    Yes the MR should be standard equipment on 50k + cars like the GT350 and Corvette.

    Nice to Ford rectify this.

    Of course Chevy gives it to you for $42K on the 2SS package.

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    Jesus.. And for 34K you get a V8 in a mustang.. how much further down are we going to go?

    Jesus yourself. Pay attention to what is actually being said. This was about cars equipped with MRC and the 2SS is the cheapest one out there with that.

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    Many kinds of value. Performance value. Aesthetics value. Space efficiency value. Fuel economy. Safety. And different people put different weights on those values.

     

     

    Don't make this a big 2 middle finger thread guys.

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    Regardless of Mustang or Camaro, we all should be freaking happy with the performance war that has delivered such amazing beasts.

     

    The next war will not be based on petro engines, but on pure electric. I am calling it here now and that we will see the next pony war to expand to include pony type auto;s from the asian rim and it will be pure EV baby. Everyone will want to have Insane Mode on their Electric AWD Pony car! :metal:

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    Jesus.. And for 34K you get a V8 in a mustang.. how much further down are we going to go?

     

    If Bong, Surreal and Mr. Fordcosworth somehow look like this:

    girls-next-door-picture.jpg

     

    Then I wont mind any further Mustang versus Camaro pillow fights.

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    Ill let my fantasies run wild.

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    But Sadly...THIS is the reality of these Mustang versus Camaro Pillow Fights...

     

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    Jesus.. And for 34K you get a V8 in a mustang.. how much further down are we going to go?

     

    If Bong, Surreal and Mr. Fordcosworth somehow look like this:

    girls-next-door-picture.jpg

     

    Then I wont mind any further Mustang versus Camaro pillow fights.

    276855.jpg

     

    Ill let my fantasies run wild.

    qeJu6zq.gif

    tumblr_m8d35v7S9c1rpqv5go1_500.gif

     

    But Sadly...THIS is the reality of these Mustang versus Camaro Pillow Fights...

     

    tumblr_no3w91Uo0G1smsh68o1_500.gif

    I merely gave the facts. No drama on my part and no skin off my back if some here have a problem with the facts.

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    Im just having fun, Surreal. No malice intended.

    Like Samantha Fox once said:

    Hello....Its me again... (I just came back from vacation)

    I WANNA HAVE SOME FUN!

    (Yes, I realize that she says that she wants to have fun with her body all nite long....WHAT A COINKYDINK??!!!!

    I WANNA HAVE FUN WITH HER BODY TOO...hence the pillow fight scenes)

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    Im just having fun, Surreal. No malice intended.

    Like Samantha Fox once said:

    Hello....Its me again... (I just came back from vacation)

    I WANNA HAVE SOME FUN!

    (Yes, I realize that she says that she wants to have fun with her body all nite long....WHAT A COINKYDINK??!!!!

    I WANNA HAVE FUN WITH HER BODY TOO...hence the pillow fight scenes)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB6b5puSpLw

    Oh I know where you were going with it. No worries. Anything that gets a little eye candy on here is a bonus as well.

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