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    Mid-Engine Corvette Reportedly Not Appearing In Detroit

      It would have been nice for the Corvette to appear at Detroit, but that's not happening

    If you were hoping that Chevrolet would bring the house down next month with the debut of the mid-engine Corvette at the Detroit Auto Show, we have some bad news for you.

    GM Authority has learned from GM that Chevrolet isn't planning to show anything car or crossover related at the show. Motor Authority was able to confirm this report by speaking to sources who know GM's plans for future vehicles. It is expected that the Cadillac XT6 crossover will debut at the show.

    Rumor has it that GM could debut the mid-engine Corvette at the New York Auto Show - the original 1953 Corvette debuted at the Motorama event that year in New York - or hold its own event to have the media focus on the new model and nothing else. The latter option seems the most likely to us.

    We'll keep you posted if anything changes.

    Source: GM Authority, Motor Authority

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    9 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    Stringray, GS, Z06 and ZR1 in coupe and convertible is 8 models.  The 911 has 23 models.

    My point is Corvette is not a brand.  If they want to make Corvette a full line brand with an entry level sports car like the Cayman/Boxster/718, the current Vette, the mid-engine Vette, 2 SUVs and 1 sedan, then I am all for that.  But you can't sell that all at a Chevy dealer and compete with Porsche or Aston Martin.  And I know GM won't spend the money to make a whole new brand and dealership channel after they just killed about 5 brands 10 years ago.

    A trim line is not a model.  The E300 and E400 are not separate models. 

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    17 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    Stringray, GS, Z06 and ZR1 in coupe and convertible is 8 models.  The 911 has 23 models. 

    Nope.  One Corvette model with 4 trim levels in 2 body styles.   One 911 model with 23 trim levels.  3 body styles in some of the trim levels. 

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    3 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    A trim line is not a model.  The E300 and E400 are not separate models. 

    I agree.  But I don't really see Z06 as a different model either.  Coupe and convertible sure different models.  In that case the 911 has 3 body styles, coupe, targa, cabriolet, and like 6-8 trims on each.

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    1 minute ago, smk4565 said:

    I agree.  But I don't really see Z06 as a different model either.  Coupe and convertible sure different models.  In that case the 911 has 3 body styles, coupe, targa, cabriolet, and like 6-8 trims on each.

    Yes, and some trims are available on some body styles and not others...like the GT3 and GT3 RS are two trim levels, available on 1 body style each.  While the Carrera S is available in all 3 body styles (Porsche might consider the body style-trim level combo as a unique trim level, but that's just semantics).. 

    With the Corvette, there are 2 body styles--coupe and convertible, and 4 trim levels.  Pretty simple. 

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    6 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

    Yes, and some trims are available on some body styles and not others...like the GT3 and GT3 RS are two trim levels, available on 1 body style each.  While the Carrera S is available in all 3 body styles (Porsche might consider the body style-trim level combo as a unique trim level, but that's just semantics).. 

    With the Corvette, there are 2 body styles--coupe and convertible, and 4 trim levels.  Pretty simple. 

    Leave it to the Germans to overcomplicate matters. 

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    8 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Leave it to the Germans to overcomplicate matters. 

    Of course.  And certain trim levels appear for one or two model years, then disappear and re-appear mid season through another year..or how two generations of 911 overlap for some years and trims. 

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    57 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    Stringray, GS, Z06 and ZR1 in coupe and convertible is 8 models.  The 911 has 23 models.

    My point is Corvette is not a brand.  If they want to make Corvette a full line brand with an entry level sports car like the Cayman/Boxster/718, the current Vette, the mid-engine Vette, 2 SUVs and 1 sedan, then I am all for that.  But you can't sell that all at a Chevy dealer and compete with Porsche or Aston Martin.  And I know GM won't spend the money to make a whole new brand and dealership channel after they just killed about 5 brands 10 years ago.

    It was 4 Brands.. Pontiac, Saab, Hummer, and Saturn.. due to overlap. Each, having no real distinct differences from certain other brands within the portfolio.. I was completely happy with this. The Pontiac brand was pretty much spot on with Chevy, with the exception of not having trucks. Hence.. the G8 becoming the SS for instance. The Saturn brand was almost spot on with Buick.. thus the Opel connection going to Buick after the death of Saturn. Saab too for that matter. The only one that I had an issue with being closed was Hummer.. but even before 2009 I constantly said that he Hummer brand should not be independent.. and be a GMC Trim like Denali. 

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    1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

    Stringray, GS, Z06 and ZR1 in coupe and convertible is 8 models.  The 911 has 23 models.

    My point is Corvette is not a brand.  If they want to make Corvette a full line brand with an entry level sports car like the Cayman/Boxster/718, the current Vette, the mid-engine Vette, 2 SUVs and 1 sedan, then I am all for that.  But you can't sell that all at a Chevy dealer and compete with Porsche or Aston Martin.  And I know GM won't spend the money to make a whole new brand and dealership channel after they just killed about 5 brands 10 years ago.

    I hear what @Drew Dowdell and @Robert Hall are saying and I don't completely agree even tho they may actually be right.

    What I'm saying is that the GM Brass have ample configs to call the Corvette line a division.. or sub-division. Also.. why are a convertible and hardtop being included as a model. To me the 5Series and the 6Series are models.. but the 6series and the 6Series GC or Convertible are not models, but variants

     

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    11 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

    I hear what @Drew Dowdell and @Robert Hall are saying and I don't completely agree even tho they may actually be right.

    What I'm saying is that the GM Brass have ample configs to call the Corvette line a division.. or sub-division. Also.. why are a convertible and hardtop being included as a model. To me the 5Series and the 6Series are models.. but the 6series and the 6Series GC or Convertible are not models, but variants

     

    It's all in the semantics.  Different automakers use terms in different ways.   To me a convertible or coupe is a body style, not a model or trim level. 

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    1 minute ago, Robert Hall said:

    It's all in the semantics.  Different automakers use terms in different ways.   To me a convertible or coupe is a body style, not a model or trim level. 

    Body Style = Variant  imo

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    There seems to be a lot of wiggle room in what counts as it's own model and it generally changes depending on what makes the manufacturer look best.  When it is convenient, the models are all lumped together (3-series and 4-series sales numbers). When it is convenient, they separate them out. BMW saying "We have 96 different models... as long as you count the 320, 335, etc all separately. 

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    OK, Woke up to this email from Chevrolet, seems the count down clock on the new Mid-Engine Corvette is set and running now. 97 days, 15 hours till the reveal.

    7-18-19 is the new reveal date of a mid-engine Corvette.

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    It seems obvious that the styling is going to be beautiful.. but what I'm looking forward to is the tech, performance potential, needle move on interior, and sharing with Cadillac hopefully. I would also love to hear that this is going to not only be sold with a continuation of the FE C7 for a few more years, but also that there is an SUV coming as well. If Porsche, Ferrari, and Lambo can have one.. why can't Corvette. Corvette lovers be damned

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    11 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

    It seems obvious that the styling is going to be beautiful.. but what I'm looking forward to is the tech, performance potential, needle move on interior, and sharing with Cadillac hopefully. I would also love to hear that this is going to not only be sold with a continuation of the FE C7 for a few more years, but also that there is an SUV coming as well. If Porsche, Ferrari, and Lambo can have one.. why can't Corvette. Corvette lovers be damned

    RIGHT! I totally agree that Corvette needs to have a performance CUV/SUV and this tech SHOULD be shared with Cadillac as part of their V Series.

    Other than the V Series, I think Cadillac should be the focus point for moving all things to EV as a true Tesla Destroyer and checkmate to the Germans.

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    2 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    RIGHT! I totally agree that Corvette needs to have a performance CUV/SUV and this tech SHOULD be shared with Cadillac as part of their V Series.

    Other than the V Series, I think Cadillac should be the focus point for moving all things to EV as a true Tesla Destroyer and checkmate to the Germans.

    Talk about profits. GM would effectively have 4 Luxury/Premium brands.. this time with purpose like back in the day when there was Cadillac, Olds, and Buick

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    Im soooooooo excited for this. 

    But part of me feels lost. I also do not  want the front engined formula to go away either.  (For the first year anyway, it wont)

    Therefore, I would prefer that Corvette does become its own brand or sub-brand or whatever you want to call it. 

    So Corvette could have several REAL models in its line-up.

    Because I dont see the GS and the base Stingray as two models. Nor do I see the Z06 and the ZR1 as two different models. Nor do I see the ZR1 being a different model than the Stingray.

    Slippery slope:

    The C6...

    The base Vette had a steel frame and the Z06 was an aluminium one.  The way I process and define models and trim levels, one could see this as 2 different models. But on the C7, all frames are aluminium...

    The way the C7 works for me is that its 1 model. It has two different body styles. (maybe 3?) Convertible, fixed roof and (targa top?)

    1 model to do battle with the 23 different trims of 911. 

    1 model to do battle with Porsche's other sportcars in the Vette's immediate competetion. The Cayman and Boxster. And those too also have a myriad of trims.

    1 model to do battle with very high end Ferraris, McLarens and Lamborghinis. 

    You could say that the Vette has 3 or 4 models to them, but that is not how it works. And even if you want to think it this way, it still doesnt change the fact that Corvette is ill equipped, model or trim size, to do battle with all its competitors successfully.  And what I mean by successfully is to hand them their ass, each and very time. 

    I dont want to hear the phrase "for the money" anymore. It was a good measure 20 years ago. But 20 years ago, Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini did not have a plethora of models and trims on their sportscars. Even Mclaren 20 years ago was just 1 car. McLaren has grown and soon they too will even offer a true GT car. 

     

    The Vette, with 1 model has to be a pure track car, a pure daily driver, a pure exotic super(hyper) car. And elitists wont even admit to it that the ZR1 is such a thing because price, or the engine is not in the right place (not mid-engined) or whatever ridiculous excuse they come up with...

    With the C8 coming, and the C7 will be sold alongside, then and only then would the Vette be 2 models. And THAT opens up the Pandora's box. 

    When the C8 arrives, it will be a supercar. For realz. When the top dog mid-engined C8 arrives, the Z06 or ZR1 C5 C6 C7 equivalent, then it will be a true hypercar. Hopefully a front engined RWD model is still offered, because the Corvette has also become a viable true blue GT car. And being a hardcore supercar with a mid-engined variant, than Corvette ceases to be a GT car. 

    Therefore, Corvette is ripe to expand to several models and hence becoming its own sub-brand, brand. 

    Like Casa said, the Camaro is already at Corvette levels of performance.  Obviously not at ZR1 levels. The ZR1 is basically at the limits of what a front engined RWD car can do. Corvette could add AWD to that and aid the situaition, but that also adds weight. Lessens the raw, sports car feel to it. Adding AWD just makes it more GT car than it already is...

    But at Z06 levels...The Camaro is at. Just a tad more tweaking is all that is needed...

    Corvette, to be really dominant, to shut North American Eurosnob mouthes, needs to expand its portfolio. Its competition did. Corvette needs to do the same. 

    And when I say North American eurosnob mouthes, yes...as it seems in Europe and the Middle East, the Corvette has finally gotten the respect it deserves. Even in Germany. When the mid-engined C8 arrives, even more so. 

    And, even if the Corvette purists in North America will NOT accept a mid-engined Vette or an expanded brand line, in Europe and in the Middle East and in Asia, those markets are primed for the taking!!!

    Especially if electrified versions are in the pipeline...

     

     

     

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    5 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    I'd love to see a Corvette SUV with none other than the n/a 3.6. 

    If the Corvette was to have  CUV line.. yeah.. a n/a 3.6L would be a nice entry, but if its RWD it damn sure better have a V8. I will never understand the BS behind why Porsche and Audi get to have FWD based CUVs, market only the AWD part.. and no issues. Either way.. a Macan GTS literally only has a TT3.0L with 360hp/369lbs. I submit that if the Blazer RS had this same combo.. or an even better LGW with 404/400lb..it would out perform the Macan's 5 second 0-60

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    18 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

    If the Corvette was to have  CUV line.. yeah.. a n/a 3.6L would be a nice entry, but if its RWD it damn sure better have a V8. I will never understand the BS behind why Porsche and Audi get to have FWD based CUVs, market only the AWD part.. and no issues. Either way.. a Macan GTS literally only has a TT3.0L with 360hp/369lbs. I submit that if the Blazer RS had this same combo.. or an even better LGW with 404/400lb..it would out perform the Macan's 5 second 0-60

    What Porsche CUV is FWD based?

     

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    25 minutes ago, frogger said:

    What Porsche CUV is FWD based?

     

    Slippery slope of VW/Audi platforms...

    Not exactly RWD based. Not exactly FWD based either. But definitely AWD. 

    Albeit the Macan's platform, the engine is longitude, not tranverse...which seems to be the defining signature of RWD based over FWD. 

    But what Casa seems to be saying, and what I said in my post about North American Eurosnobs, is that certain European manufacturers get a pass on certain no-nos that GM always gets their cheeks slapped...

    Case in point...

    The Macan, a Porsche...get a pass from offering a 4 cylinder in their CUV...

    2 things wrong here:

    Porsche is offering a:

    1. A small CUV

    2. In that small CUV, Porsche is offering a less than 250 horsepower and ironically, the same amount of ft.lbs of torque that CCAP's post deems to be lackluster. Albeit, I understand that the 4 cylinder in the Macan is turbocharged and therefore, the 273 ft.lbs of torque are probably more accessible at a lower RPM than the N/A 3.6 liter V6 from GM and THAT seems to be CCAP's beef with the N/A 3.6 liter from GM. 

     

    But...all that to say,  proof is in the pudding,  that had Corvette offered a N/A 3.6 liter V6 as a:

    44 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

    a n/a 3.6L would be a nice entry

    AN ENTRY LEVEL ENGINE OFFERING, Corvette would be shat on by many...

    44 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

    , but if its RWD it damn sure better have a V8

    But this being Corvette, a V8 would most definitely be in the cards...but alas, Corvette will not be a brand on its own, so all this is useless banter... 

    What is not useless, is the blatant hypocrisy that Corvette faces in the North American  market to actually be its own sub-brand/brand...

    Its got a huge up hill to climb for Corvette to be its own brand. A bigger mountain than what Porsche had to overcome.

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    24 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

    2. In that small CUV, Porsche is offering a less than 250 horsepower and ironically, the same amount of ft.lbs of torque that CCAP's post deems to be lackluster. Albeit, I understand that the 4 cylinder in the Macan is turbocharged and therefore, the 273 ft.lbs of torque are probably more accessible at a lower RPM than the N/A 3.6 liter V6 from GM and THAT seems to be CCAP's beef with the N/A 3.6 liter from GM. 

    252hp

    1600rpm - 4500rpm is their peak torque plateau.

    Don't forget these are German horsepowers. Have they ever not underrated them? 

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    16 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    252hp

    1600rpm - 4500rpm is their peak torque plateau.

    Don't forget these are German horsepowers. Have they ever not underrated them? 

    You proved my point...

    44 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

    the blatant hypocrisy that Corvette faces in the North American  market to actually be its own sub-brand/brand...

    You could back hand insult Corvette and that is OK.

    But as soon as somebody dare says someting negative on Porsche...you defend Porsche...

    https://www.porsche.com/canada/en/models/macan/macan-models/macan/

    248 horsepower...Porsche's website...

    Regardless if underrated...250-260...its certainly not over that...

    Regardless...that meager amount of HP is supposedly enough for it to be a Porsche? 

    But you will defend ANY thing negative said about Porsche, even it true...

    But...you will insult..and demean Corvette...on an issue that wont even be a thing in the near future, nor in the long future...

    1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

    I'd love to see a Corvette SUV with none other than the n/a 3.6. 

    Like I said...

    YOU TROLL!!!

    Are you gonna go with the "its your opinion" angle this time around too? 

    So...will @Drew Dowdell lock this one up too? 

    Will I be the villain again for pointing out what it is that YOU do? 

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    Just now, Drew Dowdell said:

    Could you two juys ignore each other please? @ccap41was making a joke.

    Yeah...a joke...we will call it that.

    17 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    252hp

    1600rpm - 4500rpm is their peak torque plateau.

    Don't forget these are German horsepowers. Have they ever not underrated them? 

    Yet...

    I state FACT...not fiction on a CUV that will NEVER exist...

    HE pounces on FACT that I stated to which I had to post a phoquing link to...

    Yeah...we will call it a joke...not trolling @Cmicasa the Great because he is a GM nut...knowing that might tick him off...especially when Casa posted his view on the 3.6 liter V6 on the other thread...

    Sure Drew...

    Like I said...

    Im the villain...

     

     

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    7 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Could you two juys ignore each other please? @ccap41was making a joke.

    Sorry, I thought responding about the Macan was being civil.. I definitely wan't looking for a rant as a response. I thought we were just talkin' automobiles. 

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