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    Mid-Engine Corvette Reportedly Not Appearing In Detroit

      It would have been nice for the Corvette to appear at Detroit, but that's not happening

    If you were hoping that Chevrolet would bring the house down next month with the debut of the mid-engine Corvette at the Detroit Auto Show, we have some bad news for you.

    GM Authority has learned from GM that Chevrolet isn't planning to show anything car or crossover related at the show. Motor Authority was able to confirm this report by speaking to sources who know GM's plans for future vehicles. It is expected that the Cadillac XT6 crossover will debut at the show.

    Rumor has it that GM could debut the mid-engine Corvette at the New York Auto Show - the original 1953 Corvette debuted at the Motorama event that year in New York - or hold its own event to have the media focus on the new model and nothing else. The latter option seems the most likely to us.

    We'll keep you posted if anything changes.

    Source: GM Authority, Motor Authority

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    Maybe a Family of Mid engine Corvette auto's? ;) 

    Maybe they are planning to shelve the Ice version and go all EV! :P 

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    Instead of a low volume niche mid engined model, they probably should have done a high performance crossover.  Something to compete w/ the Cayenne.  

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    11 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

    Instead of a low volume niche mid engined model, they probably should have done a high performance crossover.  Something to compete w/ the Cayenne.  

    It cannot be named Corvette.  Now a Cadillac that competes with the Cayenne is a great idea.

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    8 minutes ago, riviera74 said:

    It cannot be named Corvette.  Now a Cadillac that competes with the Cayenne is a great idea.

    No reason it couldn't be named Corvette.  Porsche has sports cars and SUVs.  i like the idea of a family of Corvette models--front engine sports car like the C7,   mid engine sports car like the C8, a performance SUV, maybe a EV sports car, maybe a hypercar.   And within VWAG, Porsche coexists w/ Audi and higher brands.    Corvette could be relative to Cadillac how Porsche is to Audi.

    The idea of a multi-model Corvette line is an old one, I remember seeing the idea proposed in Car & Driver maybe 20 years ago. 

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    59 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

    No reason it couldn't be named Corvette.  Porsche has sports cars and SUVs.  i like the idea of a family of Corvette models--front engine sports car like the C7,   mid engine sports car like the C8, a performance SUV, maybe a EV sports car, maybe a hypercar.   And within VWAG, Porsche coexists w/ Audi and higher brands.    Corvette could be relative to Cadillac how Porsche is to Audi.

    The idea of a multi-model Corvette line is an old one, I remember seeing the idea proposed in Car & Driver maybe 20 years ago. 

    Multiple lines of Corvette was there as a concept from the beginning. It was nearly its own brand of cars inside the Chevy brand.

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    Chevy dealers would never allow a Corvette brand to happen, because it would mean they lose the Corvette and that "Corvette" brand would then get pushed to the Cadillac dealer channel.  I can't see them doing stand alone Corvette dealers.

    The Detroit auto show has also lost a lot of luster, so I think they'll put this car out at another time.

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    30 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Corvette can be a sub-brand inside Chevy.

    Because Chevy dealers are equipped to provide a sales and service experience similar to Porsche dealers?

    Although you could argue that all 4 GM brands should offer a dealership experience to rival Porsche, customer service doesn't really need to be reserved for just a luxury brand. 

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    10 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    Because Chevy dealers are equipped to provide a sales and service experience similar to Porsche dealers?

    Although you could argue that all 4 GM brands should offer a dealership experience to rival Porsche, customer service doesn't really need to be reserved for just a luxury brand. 

    There are Chevy dealers that get special treatment based on the number of Corvettes they sell... or the number of Silverados they sell.  A Corvette sub-brand "boutique"* inside of certain dealers would work. That's how Genesis launched.

     

    *I hate that word in regards to buying cars. 

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    The Genesis launch has also been a total botch job by Hyundai.   

    I don’t see the crowd that is considering a Porsche, AMG or Alfa Romeo/Maserati walking into a Chevy dealer to check out a Corvette sedan or Corvette SUV.  

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    4 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    The Genesis launch has also been a total botch job by Hyundai.   

    I don’t see the crowd that is considering a Porsche, AMG or Alfa Romeo/Maserati walking into a Chevy dealer to check out a Corvette sedan or Corvette SUV.  

    If the product is good enough, they will come.  But it isn't happening anyway. 

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    Having a 'Corvette SUV' is EXACTLY like having a '911 SUV'.
    As much as people may espouse the 'brand within a brand' ideal, it's not viable or sensible, IMO.

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    Said it before and I'll say it again.. having both of these brands.. er.. all three.. U see the differences. Cadillac dealer is all accommodating.. Chevy dealer is not. Only when I go in with a $60-$100K Corvette do they roll out Orange carpet. That is inconsistent with the fact that one can now purchase $80K Camaros and Tahoe/Suburbans/Silverados from the place.. but hey.. Chevy is the Every man brand at GM the same as Ford, Toyota, Honda are.

    Again.. the Corvette should be a separate brand in a partitioned off dealership spot at Chevy or CADILLAC if enthusiasts aren't allowed to make the decision. If Enthusiasts have to have Corvette at Chevy.. then partition it off..  and treat them with the same love one gets at Cadillac. Corvettes are not cheap. They are a vehicle selling for $60K to a soon to be $150K. This is about $5-7K less than your Porsche line-up unless U get into the E-Hybrid models.. Which GM should be gearing up to do. People want to say that "No one will spend $150K on a Vette..." FUUCK outta here. They can and THEY WILL.

    I have to constantly remind people.. some of my colleagues have Porsches. Its THEIR ONLY car, even the 911 and the Cayman/Boxster owners. Some might have a beater that is 10 years old.

    Vette owners very seldom have just a Vette as their DD. Most that I know also own a Silverado/Sierra, Tahoe/Yukon/Escalade or something else as a daily. Normally they are no more than 5 years old if that. I don't even drive my Vette or V in the rain or when it looks like its gonna rain cause I don't want to get it dirty. Many who own a Vette as a toy have the same mind set. Meaning.. THEY HAVE MONEY. They needed to be catered to just like the cats at Caddy.. which ironically sells at the same price point as CORVETTE. My Z06 retailed for the exact same as my CTS-V. Bet good money that the CT6-V comes in priced like a ZR1, which will still be less expensive than a B7 Alpina by about $17K

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    Corvette is not a brand though it is a model.  I don’t see any calls for an Escalde brand with sports coupes and sedans.  Porsche was always a brand with multiple models.  

    I question why Cadillac isn’t getting this mid engine super car, or performance SUVs or the stuff you need to challenge Porsche, Aston Martin, Maserati, Ferrari or whoever you want to throw in there.  Cadillac is GM’s top brand (or at least it is supposed to be).  Cadillac should have the super cars, hyper cars, Tesla Model S fighter, Bentley Bentayga or Aston Martin SUV fighter etc.  

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    10 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    I question why Cadillac isn’t getting this mid engine super car...

    I've read elsewhere that it may, in fact, be happening. Let's see.

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    25 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    Corvette is not a brand though it is a model.  I don’t see any calls for an Escalde brand with sports coupes and sedans.  Porsche was always a brand with multiple models.  

    I question why Cadillac isn’t getting this mid engine super car, or performance SUVs or the stuff you need to challenge Porsche, Aston Martin, Maserati, Ferrari or whoever you want to throw in there.  Cadillac is GM’s top brand (or at least it is supposed to be).  Cadillac should have the super cars, hyper cars, Tesla Model S fighter, Bentley Bentayga or Aston Martin SUV fighter etc.  

    Corvette, over the last 10 years, has had as many models as Porsche ever did in the pre-Cayenne days. REGARDLESS... we have a Stingray, GS, Z06, and ZR1 currently.. this MID-Engine will essentially give us 4 different body styles.. as the only two body styles currently identical are the GS and Z06. So why not make it a Sub-Brand somewhat autonomous? 

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    2 hours ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

    Corvette, over the last 10 years, has had as many models as Porsche ever did in the pre-Cayenne days. REGARDLESS... we have a Stingray, GS, Z06, and ZR1 currently.. this MID-Engine will essentially give us 4 different body styles.. as the only two body styles currently identical are the GS and Z06. So why not make it a Sub-Brand somewhat autonomous? 

    Those are all trim levels aside from the mid-engine car that we haven’t seen the final deal yet.  Porsche currently makes 23 models of the 911, I just counted them on their website.  Before the Cayenne Porsche had the 944 the 928, 968, 959, etc, they always had several cars other than maybe in the 60s or 70s. 

    For Corvette to be a brand they would need at least 2 SUVs and what platform would those go on?  They would need an entry level sports car, and a sedan or Panamera/AMG GT sedan fighter to go with the current Corvette and the mid-engine car.  All of those would be slotted above Cadillac yet sold at Chevy dealers?   Good luck trying to sell an Equinox sized Corvette SUV at a Chevy dealer for $75,000 which Cadillac dealers are charging $40k for a crossover of that same size.

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    1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

    Those are all trim levels aside from the mid-engine car that we haven’t seen the final deal yet.  Porsche currently makes 23 models of the 911, I just counted them on their website.  Before the Cayenne Porsche had the 944 the 928, 968, 959, etc, they always had several cars other than maybe in the 60s or 70s. 

    For Corvette to be a brand they would need at least 2 SUVs and what platform would those go on?  They would need an entry level sports car, and a sedan or Panamera/AMG GT sedan fighter to go with the current Corvette and the mid-engine car.  All of those would be slotted above Cadillac yet sold at Chevy dealers?   Good luck trying to sell an Equinox sized Corvette SUV at a Chevy dealer for $75,000 which Cadillac dealers are charging $40k for a crossover of that same size.

    So by that U are saying that before the Cayenne.. Porsche was NOT a brand. hmmmm END OF DISCUSSION.. Go back to Germany KrautBoy

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    2 hours ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

    So by that U are saying that before the Cayenne.. Porsche was NOT a brand. hmmmm END OF DISCUSSION.. Go back to Germany KrautBoy

    That is the opposite of what I was saying.  Porsche has always been a brand, they had the 911, 944/968 and 928 all in production at the same time.  For most of their history that hav had 3-4 different vehicles in their line, it has just grown now with 6.

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    8 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    That is the opposite of what I was saying.  Porsche has always been a brand, they had the 911, 944/968 and 928 all in production at the same time.  For most of their history that hav had 3-4 different vehicles in their line, it has just grown now with 6.

    Yes, Porsche has always been a brand--whether an independent company or owned by VWAG as they are now.  No one sane would argue that.   On the other hand, Corvette is a model with different trim levels within the Chevrolet brand.  That is the distinction.  

    At some points in time Porsche had only one street model--like in the 356 era, but after the 911 came out, they had periods of time with only 2 street models--like in the late 60s with the 911 and 912, the early 70s with the 911 and 914, the late 90s with the 911 and Boxster.  And of course many trim levels within those models.   Like the modern 911 which often has 20-24 trim levels in any particular year--in comparison to the Corvette which has 4 currently (base, Z06, GS, ZR-1?)

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    9 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    That is the opposite of what I was saying.  Porsche has always been a brand, they had the 911, 944/968 and 928 all in production at the same time.  For most of their history that hav had 3-4 different vehicles in their line, it has just grown now with 6.

    Look slim.. I'm American unlike U and still know Porsche's history due to racing.. but I don't sip the Weihenstephaner Hefeweissbier flavored water the way U do.. 

    Your rational... as I have explained.. the Corvette sub-division CURRENTLY has 4 distinct Corvettes under its umbrella. The Stingray, which has trims as well, different engine and transmission tuning, and price point. The GS.. also different trims, same engine, but distinct body and suspension tuning, and price point. The Z06.. different trims, different racing apparatus, different drivetrains, suspension tuning, unique body, and and price point. And the ZR1.. different trims, different racing apparatus, different drivetrains, suspension tuning, unique body, and and price point. Chevy doesn't say it.. but that my young knabe.. is a BRANDED vehicle. Not to mention that many people who are not enthusiasts think that CORVETTE is an independent vehicle similar to Porsche and Ferrari. THIS IS FACT.  If Chevy were to continue with the FE Corvette, while still offering the ME design.. its a done deal.. and we will have a genuine 4th American GM Division. I also point out that for all intents.... the Camaro has been primed to take over the head job at Chevy since the C5 debuted in 2010

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    26 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

    Look slim.. I'm American unlike U and still know Porsche's history due to racing.. but I don't sip the Weihenstephaner Hefeweissbier flavored water the way U do.. 

    Your rational... as I have explained.. the Corvette sub-division CURRENTLY has 4 distinct Corvettes under its umbrella. The Stingray, which has trims as well, different engine and transmission tuning, and price point. The GS.. also different trims, same engine, but distinct body and suspension tuning, and price point. The Z06.. different trims, different racing apparatus, different drivetrains, suspension tuning, unique body, and and price point. And the ZR1.. different trims, different racing apparatus, different drivetrains, suspension tuning, unique body, and and price point. Chevy doesn't say it.. but that my young knabe.. is a BRANDED vehicle. Not to mention that many people who are not enthusiasts think that CORVETTE is an independent vehicle similar to Porsche and Ferrari. THIS IS FACT.  If Chevy were to continue with the FE Corvette, while still offering the ME design.. its a done deal.. and we will have a genuine 4th American GM Division. I also point out that for all intents.... the Camaro has been primed to take over the head job at Chevy since the C5 debuted in 2010

    Stringray, GS, Z06 and ZR1 in coupe and convertible is 8 models.  The 911 has 23 models.

    My point is Corvette is not a brand.  If they want to make Corvette a full line brand with an entry level sports car like the Cayman/Boxster/718, the current Vette, the mid-engine Vette, 2 SUVs and 1 sedan, then I am all for that.  But you can't sell that all at a Chevy dealer and compete with Porsche or Aston Martin.  And I know GM won't spend the money to make a whole new brand and dealership channel after they just killed about 5 brands 10 years ago.

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      So, today, I would like to introduce some initiatives we are taking for our automobile business, especially how we are strengthening the structure of our automobile business, the direction we are taking with electrification, as well as some progress we have made to date.
      Strengthening automobile business structure 
      Ever since I became the president of the company, I have been conveying the message that we will make Honda strong by creating strong products and also by strengthening our inter-regional coordination and collaboration. We put special emphasis on the strengthening of our global models, which have been the source of Honda's core competence, and also the enhancement of our regional models.
      As a result, we currently have the five global models, namely Civic, Accord, CR-V, Fit/Jazz and Vezel/HR-V, and these five strong models now account for 60% of our global automobile sales. At the same time, our regional models such as the N Series for Japan, Pilot for North America and Crider for China are playing an important role as a source of growth for each respective region.
      However, as a result of accommodating regional needs somewhat excessively in each individual region, we recognize that the number of models and variations at the trim and option level have increased and our efficiency has declined. So, we will undertake initiatives to further strengthen our inter-regional coordination and collaboration and advance our art of making automobiles in order to simultaneously increase the attractiveness and efficiency of both global and regional models.
      Strengthening inter-regional coordination and collaboration
      As for inter-regional coordination and collaboration, under the new operational structure we adopted for our automobile operations starting from April, we began reviewing and sharing the product lineup by grouping some of our six regions outside Japan based on a similarity of key factors, such as market needs and environmental regulations. With this initiative, by 2025, we will reduce the total number of variations at the trim and option level for our global models to one-third of what we have now. In addition, we will increase efficiency by eliminating and consolidating some similar regional models into even more competent models shared across multiple regions.
      Advancement of our art of making automobiles (automobile development) 
      As for the advancement of automobile development, since I became the president, we have been increasing the efficiency and speed of our Monozukuri (the art of making things) by innovating the entire process, from planning and development all the way through production, by enabling the S-E-D-B (sales, manufacturing, R&D, purchasing*1) functions to collaborate beyond the boundaries of their divisions.
      Moreover, we have already introduced the Honda Architecture in our development.
      The Honda Architecture is a company-wide initiative which will increase the efficiency of development and expand parts-sharing for our mass-production models. The first model being developed with this new method will be the global model we are launching next year. And we will continue increasing the number of models to which we apply this new architecture.
      With the strengthening of global and regional models through inter-regional coordination and collaboration and with the introduction of the Honda Architecture, by 2025, we will reduce the number of manhours we use for the development of mass-production models by 30%, and we will repurpose those manhours to accelerate our research and development in advanced areas for the future. In this way, we can continue creating new technologies which will support the future of Honda.
      Strengthening our operational structure in the area of production 
      In addition to the area of development, we are further strengthening our operational structure in the area of production as well, so that we can create strong products with high efficiency.
      We are making steady progress in optimizing our production capacity in all regions. When this is complete, we are expecting to see that our global capacity utilization rate, excluding China, will increase from 90% recorded in 2018, and we will be producing at full capacity by 2022.
      In China, the third plant of Dongfeng Honda became newly operational, and this put us in a position where we can definitely accommodate market demand in China. We believe that this progress we made paved the way for the optimization of our global production capacity.
      From here onward, we think it is important to increase our competitiveness by increasing the efficiency of our production system in North America.
      For our business in North America, while keeping pace with sales expansion, we enhanced our model lineup and established a flexible production system where our plants sometimes produce various models in duplication to accommodate changes in market demand. However, as a result of the pursuit of high flexibility, an increase in the investment amount and a decline in production efficiency started to become an issue. Therefore, in North America as well, we will reduce the number of variations at the trim and option level, and at the same time, we will simplify the production model allocation at each plant. Through this initiative, we will re-establish a highly-efficient production system and realize the growth of North American business through the pursuit of quality.
      By implementing these initiatives to increase production efficiency in each region, we are expecting to reduce global cost in the area of production by 10% by 2025, compared to the cost recorded in 2018.
      Through all these initiatives I have mentioned, we will steadily strengthen the structure of our automobile business and realize the solidification of our existing automobile businesses by 2025, and, at the same time, we will accelerate our preparation for the future.
      Direction for the electrification of our automobile products
      Striving to realize a carbon-free society, Honda set a goal to electrify two-thirds of our global automobile unit sales by 2030.
      When we talk about the introduction of electrified vehicles, there are two perspectives. One is the improvement of fuel economy, and the other is zero emissions. Regulations for the Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) standards are becoming increasingly stringent in every country around the world and complying with CAFE standards is one of the most important challenges for the automobile industry. At Honda, in light of the required infrastructure and how people use automobiles, we believe that hybrid technology is, at this moment, the most effective way for us to comply with CAFE standards. Therefore, we will electrify our products mainly with hybrid technologies. By increasing sales of our hybrid models all around the world, Honda will contribute to the global environment through the improvement of fuel economy.
      To this end, we will expand the application of our 2-motor hybrid system to the entire lineup of Honda vehicles. In addition to the 2-motor hybrid system which is compatible with mid-to-large-sized vehicles, we developed a new, more compact 2-motor hybrid system suitable for small-sized vehicles. This small-sized 2-motor hybrid system will be adopted first by the all-new Fit which we are planning to exhibit as a world premiere at the Tokyo Motor Show this fall.
      In addition to the expansion of the lineup of products equipped with the 2-motor hybrid system, we also will expand the application of the 2-motor hybrid system on a global basis. With that, by 2022, we are expecting to reduce the cost of the 2-motor hybrid system by 25% compared to the cost of this system in 2018.
      As for zero emission vehicles, with our battery EVs we will comply with the Zero Emission Vehicle (ZEV) program being adopted by California and other states in the U.S. and China's New Energy Vehicle (NEV) mandate. We will efficiently introduce our battery EVs to the market by selecting the most appropriate partners and resources to satisfy the different needs in each region.
      In North America, we will jointly develop battery components with General Motors and introduce highly-competitive battery EVs in the market.   
      In China, in order to keep up with the fast speed of electrification, we have already begun introducing battery EV models developed together with our local joint venture companies in China. While envisioning the introduction of battery EV models from the Honda brand, we will continue utilizing local resources in China and introduce more battery EV models in a timely manner to fulfill local market needs in China.
      In Europe and Japan, we will introduce the Honda e, a new battery EV model, which was recently introduced as a prototype at the Geneva Motor Show.
      To summarize, Honda will popularize and improve the business feasibility of electrified vehicles by focusing on hybrid vehicles and battery EVs.
      Changes in operational structure
      In order to ensure the solid implementation of these initiatives I just introduced for our automobile business, we renewed our operational structure as of April. The aims of this structural change are to establish an organization which brings all regional operations together to strongly facilitate inter-regional coordination and collaboration and to increase the speed of our business operations by enabling prompt decisions and prompt execution.
      Today, I introduced our initiatives to strengthen our automobile business structure and the direction of our electrification. Under the new organizational structure, we will realize our goals with a keen sense of speed. 
      Closing
      As we stated in our 2030 Vision, Honda is striving to grow through the pursuit of quality so that we can fulfill our vision to "Serve people worldwide with the joy of expanding their life's potential."
      Honda will continue taking on new challenges while being driven by strong passion, so that we can continue to be a company that society wants to exist even in 2050 after Honda becomes more than 100 years old. 
      *1 S-E-D-B: Sales, Engineering (Manufacturing), Development (R&D), Buying (Purchasing)
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