Crazy how big of a difference 2wd vs 4wd there is. 5 highway mpg???

Also odd they're both combined rating is 25mpg. 

I have to question the reality of actually hitting these numbers. 

Yes in cars, we have seen Diesels out perform EPA numbers. Yet with trucks, hauling, etc. I question if people will really hit these figures. We have seen that Turbo gas engines do not hit the EPA numbers if you drive it real world versus controlled EPA testing.

I am excited they have this engine as GM has not been able to figure out how to have a diesel in the half ton or their suburbans yet even though plenty of mules and testing over the last 20 years. Yes 1999 was the last year GM put a half ass diesel in the burb, but why they never put the Duramax in  is beyond me. That is an awesome engine that would have had plenty of sales in a burb.

I have to assume that GM was hurting bad for cash across way to many brands as to why it never happened even as they built and tested the 4.4L duramax or baby V8 that was supposed to go into the Burb and 1/2 ton pickups.

The Ram Ecodiesel and Grand Cherokee Ecodiesel routinely exceed their EPA, I would assume that the F-150 should too.  30 is a great number for a full size truck. 

The reason for no Duramax in the 'Burban is not enough take rate.... the Duramax is expensive. 

People exceed the ratings in the Ram 1500 diesel. I'm not sure why this would be any different. Plus, in the HD/SD versions they get much better mileage while under load than a comparable gas engine. 

https://www.autoblog.com/2016/05/06/31-mpg-ram-1500-hfe/

I have for a while thought that 30 mpg is the game changer for pick ups.   30 mpg is a number that stands out and can drive sales.  Well done Ford on being first to get there.

5 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

People exceed the ratings in the Ram 1500 diesel. I'm not sure why this would be any different. Plus, in the HD/SD versions they get much better mileage while under load than a comparable gas engine. 

https://www.autoblog.com/2016/05/06/31-mpg-ram-1500-hfe/

 

Totally agree that under load the diesel way out perform the gas ICE. I know as Drew states that people post about higher numbers but I also seem to read about other not getting anywhere near the posted MPG. 

So a bit of a toss up I think.

I really hope the Ford Diesel does well.

4 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Totally agree that under load the diesel way out perform the gas ICE. I know as Drew states that people post about higher numbers but I also seem to read about other not getting anywhere near the posted MPG. 

So a bit of a toss up I think.

I really hope the Ford Diesel does well.

I could see that being true with the SuperDuty/HeavyDuty trucks.... 900 lb-ft of torque can get addicting. 

The light duty models seem to do better than EPA

11 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Totally agree that under load the diesel way out perform the gas ICE. I know as Drew states that people post about higher numbers but I also seem to read about other not getting anywhere near the posted MPG. 

So a bit of a toss up I think.

I really hope the Ford Diesel does well.

Where have you read diesel owners not getting anywhere near their ratings?

• @ GM, there's no truck diesel MPG ratings because they're only in 3/4T or higher trucks. As more 1/2T diesels come online, there'll be a lot more comparisons to be made.

My DuraMax has no official MPG ratings. It gets a consistent 16 MPG (I keep a log book & calculate it). The few times I did near full-tank highway drives, it squeeked over 18. It just doesn't vary much at all.

• As stated before, there's a 1.4T Sonic in the driveway here @ Rancho Balthy. I think we've had it what- 3 weeks? It's been to Philly once (all highway, bout an hour one-way), and gone with my wife to work a half dozen times (35 min highway). It's rated 27/37, but in NJ, you cannot get the bulk of your driving in as highway miles, it's just impossible; the Malibu shows an average speed of between 27 - 30 MPH.

The Sonic is still reading an average MPG of 27.0.

Unless one is out in the midwest or does long-haul driving regularly, highway MPG is vastly unimportant. It certainly is here. Still, it filters down, and progress is good.

Just now, balthazar said:

• @ GM, there's no truck diesel MPG ratings because they're only in 3/4T or higher trucks. As more 1/2T diesels come online, there'll be a lot more comparisons to be made.

My DuraMax has no official MPG ratings. It gets a consistent 16 MPG (I keep a log book & calculate it). The few times I did near full-tank highway drives, it squeeked over 18. It just doesn't vary much at all.

• As stated before, there's a 1.4T Sonic in the driveway here @ Rancho Balthy. I think we've had it what- 3 weeks? It's been to Philly once (all highway, bout an hour one-way), and gone with my wife to work a half dozen times (35 min highway). It's rated 27/37, but in NJ, you cannot get the bulk of your driving in as highway miles, it's just impossible. Malibu shows an average speed of between 27 - 30, and the Sonic is still reading an average MPG of 27.0.

Unless one is out in the midwest or does long-haul driving regularly, highway MPG is vastly unimportant. It certainly is here. Still, it filters down, and progress is good.

If you to get it out on a road trip, I expect the Sonic to tickle 40 if you're gentle on it.

27 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Where have you read diesel owners not getting anywhere near their ratings?

Seen comments posted in Ford and Ram forums about some not getting MPG ratings. This also makes sense as Drew points out. Torque get addicting and this could be due to a heavy foot. Not everyone drives with a lite foot that gets the EPA posted figures.

Ford only has the SD diesel which doesn't have a rating because it is exempt. 

Can't be too many not getting the advertised fuel economy in the Ram because, as a whole, the community is exceeding the combined ratings.

33 minutes ago, balthazar said:

My DuraMax has no official MPG ratings. It gets a consistent 16 MPG (I keep a log book & calculate it). The few times I did near full-tank highway drives, it squeeked over 18. It just doesn't vary much at all.

Sounds very similar to my buddy's 2010 Cummins(6spd manual trans). He said he's attempted to eek out great fuel economy from time to time and 18.5 is about the best he's gotten but it also doesn't get much worse than 16ish unless hes towing or hauling(which he does regularly for work - hauling seed). 

21 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Ford only has the SD diesel which doesn't have a rating because it is exempt. 

There's an F-150 diesel for '18.

4 minutes ago, balthazar said:

There's an F-150 diesel for '18.

It's not out yet so there shouldn't be any forums with comments of the drivers not achieving a rated mpg number.

14 minutes ago, balthazar said:

There's an F-150 diesel for '18.

I don't think anyone outside of the Ford organization has driven it yet. 

I didn't catch that 30mpg was only for the 2wd model.  I would have expected higher there and then the 4x4 gets 30.

One thing makes this lame:  they are pulling a GM trick and making the diesel customer spend millions of dollars on fancy trim packages before they can reap the very real benefits of light duty diesel ownership.  Dodge at least puts their LD diesel in all cabs and all trims.  Hooray for Dodge in letting a pickup truck be a pickup truck and not a fashion statement exclusively.

Also, and this alarmed me... for 2019, according to the online order guide... GM is discontinuing 2500 and 3500 regular cab pickups.  I hope there is something I'm not seeing there, because farmers/construction/contractors/etc. etc. what the hell is THAT?

Wait a minute... didn't we already see spy photos of the new bodystyle HD truck in regular cab?  Yes... I think we did.  The info I saw must be for build-out of the current cab style.  See?  I can talk myself down off the ledge.