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    Eight States Sign A Pact To Increase EV Sales


    William Maley

    Staff Writer - CheersandGears.com

    October 28, 2013

    California and seven other states have signed a new pact that hopes to increase the number of zero emission vehicles on their roads to 3.3 million by the year 2025.

    Joining California in this pact are Connecticut, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Rhode Island, Oregon, and Vermont. The seven states have already adopted a rule like California where by 2025, 15 percent of vehicles sold must produce zero emissions. To help get to this goal, the eight states have four steps to spur sales of zero emission vehicles

    • Amend building codes so it becomes easier to build charging stations
    • Buy more zero emission vehicles for Government fleets
    • Further cash incentives and introduce discounted electricity rates for home-chargers
    • Introduced shared standards for charging stations and common signage

    "From coast to coast, we're charging ahead to get millions of the world's cleanest vehicles on our roads," said California Governor Edmund Brown in a statement.

    Source: Automotive News (Subscription Required)

    William Maley is a staff writer for Cheers & Gears. He can be reached at william.maley@cheersandgears.com or you can follow him on twitter at @realmudmonster.

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    What a joke, just another way to waste tax payers dollars and put more luxury golf carts on the road that cannot travel any real distance. What a way for the governments to control population movement.

    Makes one question their real understanding of how these auto's are produced. No one has yet to address the toxic settlement ponds from the battery production.

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    260 miles isn't "any real distance"? Why do we keep having this conversation over and over? The Tesla Model-S has a longer range than my (currently out of service) Honda CR-V. As EV technology continues to improve, range will either increase or cost for that range will decrease, or a combination of both.

    Your Tin-Foil-Hat brigade comment that this is a way for the government to control the movement of the population is beyond dumb, and quite frankly, beneath you. The government is doing THE EXACT OPPOSITE of what you said by encouraging MORE CHOICE in the mode of transit.

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    Tesla is not within reach of most people Drew.

    Looking at the current Affordable EV's, Nissan Leaf, Spark EV, etc. People cannot go on a real road trip in these auto's.

    These are the auto's that local cities and counties are buying and wanting the public to buy and no one seems to be a voice of reason that while they are good products, they do not meet the needs of the mass market.

    The GOV is pushing a single version of what the rich have onto everyone and not really supporting equally other options such as BioDiesel or CNG where you have vehicles that can be driven long distances between fill-ups.

    I see so much push on Electric and a clear ignoring of alternative power options. I continue to see a wealthy electric only crowd pushing to make everyone go electric and yet while this is an additional option of choice, it ignores what I see as better options that should be equally supported.

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    Tesla while an outstanding car in today's society, is an exception and not the norm.

    Even their own polls seem to show a older, wealthy group of people buying or leasing these cars.

    http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/7238-Model-S-Buyers-What-s-Your-Income

    http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/17717-Model-S-Owner-Age

    http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/6998-Model-S-Reservation-Holder-Demographics-Age

    http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/8920-What-was-your-age-annual-income-and-what-battery-pack-are-you-getting

    This in comparison to the average middle income household making 45-55K a year will be looking at auto's in the 30K range.

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    This in comparison to the average middle income household making 45-55K a year will be looking at auto's in the 30K range.

    I can't imagine someone in that low of an income bracket is looking at a car that costs more than $16k or so, let alone $30k.

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    This in comparison to the average middle income household making 45-55K a year will be looking at auto's in the 30K range.

    I can't imagine someone in that low of an income bracket is looking at a car that costs more than $16k or so, let alone $30k.

    Yet they do just like people making 75-85K a year look at the tesla. Does not mean they really can afford it, but they will look and some will buy.

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    This in comparison to the average middle income household making 45-55K a year will be looking at auto's in the 30K range.

    I can't imagine someone in that low of an income bracket is looking at a car that costs more than $16k or so, let alone $30k.

    Yet they do just like people making 75-85K a year look at the tesla. Does not mean they really can afford it, but they will look and some will buy.

    Tesla seems more like a car for people making $200k or more.... I know when I was making $85k a year $30k car seemed to me a bit high...(but was fine when I got past $100k/yr).

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    Tesla while an outstanding car in today's society, is an exception and not the norm.

    Even their own polls seem to show a older, wealthy group of people buying or leasing these cars.

    http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/7238-Model-S-Buyers-What-s-Your-Income

    http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/17717-Model-S-Owner-Age

    http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/6998-Model-S-Reservation-Holder-Demographics-Age

    http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/8920-What-was-your-age-annual-income-and-what-battery-pack-are-you-getting

    This in comparison to the average middle income household making 45-55K a year will be looking at auto's in the 30K range.

    This may come as a shock to you, but the early adopters of the first Apple iPod and first Apple iPhone ($499 for the 10gb model in 2001 and $499 for the 4gb model in 2007 respectively) were relatively wealthy people. As the technology improved the price came down, and more people were able to afford it.

    Today, the cheapest iPod that isn't a shuffle has a full color screen and 16gb of memory costing only $149 each.

    Tesla is, at best, in the circa 2003 iPod time frame when they are still a curiosity that rich people buy, but that price WILL come down. The next generation models are already supposed to be cheaper than the current one.

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    In bringing this back to the focus of the 8 states pushing with incentives to have people buy EV auto's, My whole point it that they should not just focus on EV but include all alternative energy auto's and let the market sort it out as to who the winner should be.

    I would take a CNG/Petrol 2014 Impala over a Nissan Leaf 2014 or Spark EV 2014 model.

    Where is my incentive for going green?

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    You can fill up a CNG vehicle with CNG in even fewer locations than EVs at the moment.

    CNG seems to be one of those technologies that's fallen off the table..it doesn't seem to have much buzz or push compared to electric.

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    What a joke, just another way to waste tax payers dollars and put more luxury golf carts on the road that cannot travel any real distance. What a way for the governments to control population movement.

    You are seriously delusional.

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    Like the 40 billion in tax breaks and subsidies the oil companies been getting per year for 30 years, or the trillions we have spent in the Middle East to protect the financial interest of the Oil companies.. That not a waste of government tax payer money?

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    What a joke, just another way to waste tax payers dollars and put more luxury golf carts on the road that cannot travel any real distance. What a way for the governments to control population movement.

    You are seriously delusional.

    CNG is not delusional, the infastructure in place is wide spread and anyone with natural gas at their home or business can install a fueling appliance and gas at home or work. No need for expensive stations.

    If CNG was delusional then why is the train industry converting over their diesel generators to CNG and the trucking industry is moving to CNG. On top of this is the marine industry is moving to have large ships go to LNG compared to Diesel. NG is a valid fuel option.

    All I am asking for is if they want to give tax breaks to Electric, then also allow it for BioDiesel or CNG auto's also.

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    What a joke, just another way to waste tax payers dollars and put more luxury golf carts on the road that cannot travel any real distance. What a way for the governments to control population movement.

    You are seriously delusional.

    CNG is not delusional, the infastructure in place is wide spread and anyone with natural gas at their home or business can install a fueling appliance and gas at home or work. No need for expensive stations.

    If CNG was delusional then why is the train industry converting over their diesel generators to CNG and the trucking industry is moving to CNG. On top of this is the marine industry is moving to have large ships go to LNG compared to Diesel. NG is a valid fuel option.

    All I am asking for is if they want to give tax breaks to Electric, then also allow it for BioDiesel or CNG auto's also.

    I didn't say CNG was delusional...it was about your 2nd sentence..that is paranoid delusional conspiracy theorist BS.

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    This thread is simply fantastic. The wide-eyed dreamers who believe there will be 3.3 million EVs on the road by 2025 are the delusional ones. And so far... the public sides with my view more than the sad, nerdy dreamers. So have your fun, dreamers, it won't change REALITY.

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    Local media reports that the EV was speeding and crashed early in the morning, and "hit a raised pedestrian crossing and briefly took flight before crashing into a wall and tree," according to Yahoo.

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    October 18th, 2013. Tesla Model S.

    In a crash like that it probably would have blown up even if it was a Beetle...

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    Diesel fuel is not nearly as explosively combustible as gasoline, but yeah, it could happen. It wouldn't please me as much as this story out of Mexico does, though. ;)

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    So here are the arguments for and against electrification:

    For = Overhauling energy consumption needs in order to make North America's vehicle fleet totally sustainable through the use of alternative energy sources, and reducing oil consumption as it's a resource that needs to be conserved so it may be used in industrial processes, as well as helping reduce smog and particulate emissions. Also:

    So you want the market to sort it out? How? That's impossible. Natural gas and biodiesel infrastructure will need major government subsidies and inputs.

    Electric infrastructure already exists in like, 95% of habited areas. It's wiser of the states to incentivize electric cars which will require fairly minimal taxpayer subsidization, as opposed to rigging up several new infrastructures and creating the necessary regulations just to please this notion of 'free markets.'

    VS.

    Against:

    HERPA DERPA DERPA DERP!

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      Ford already has a memorandum of understanding with several other automakers in Europe to create an ultra-fast charging network projected to be significantly faster than the most powerful charging system deployed today. An initial target of about 400 sites in Europe is planned. By 2020, consumers should have access to thousands of high-powered charging points. 
      Ford also is piloting wireless technology on company EVs in the U.S. and Europe that make recharging as easy as pulling into a parking spot so drivers never forget to recharge. Wireless recharging extends electric-only range for short distance commuters, even during quick stops. FordPass® also can help consumers reserve charging times.
      Understanding customers
      Ford has been extensively studying how past and current EV owners use their vehicles. The company has sold more than 520,000 electrified vehicles in North America since 2005 and 560,000 globally.
      In studying 33,000 Ford EV owners that have made 58 million unique trips, Ford has learned:
      88 percent of customers’ habitual daily driving distance is 60 miles or less. For plug-in hybrids, the average refueling distance is 680 miles, making gas station trips rare Customers want as much electric range as possible, but range anxiety drops over time as they become more comfortable and familiar with the technology 80 percent of Ford EV customers charge once a day; 60 percent during evenings Ford EV customers collectively have plugged in their vehicles a total of 9.4 million nights An overwhelming majority of Ford EV owners expect to replace their current EV with a new one, additional Ford research shows. Specifically:
      92 percent of battery electric car customers say they will purchase another battery electric vehicle as their next purchase 87 percent of plug-in hybrid customers want another plug-in for their next vehicle
    • By William Maley
      To say we were slightly disappointed to find out that the U.S.-Spec Toyota C-HR would only come with a 2.0L four-cylinder producing 144 horsepower would be an understatement. The European-spec C-HR has the choice of either a turbocharged 1.2L four or a hybrid, but neither of these powertrains will be showing up in the U.S.
      Car and Driver spoke with the C-HR's chief engineer, Hiroyuki Koba to find out why. Koba didn't say why the turbocharged 1.2L would not come to the U.S., but we're guessing Toyota didn't want to put the effort in getting this engine certified for the U.S. Also, performance numbers between the 2.0L and turbo 1.2L are similar (11 seconds for the 2.0 to hit 60 mph, 11.1 seconds for the 1.2).
      As for the hybrid, Koba said the decision comes down to the market, not engineering. At the moment, Toyota doesn't see the demand for this model in the U.S.
      Koba did admit there is a possibility for a more powerful version of the C-HR, but quickly added there aren't plans for this at the moment.
      Source: Car and Driver

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