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    Sales Figure Ticker: July 2017

      Spark or sputter? We have July sales numbers!

    Subaru of America, Inc. - Up 6.9% (55,703 Vehicles Sold This Month, 360,513 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Toyota Motor North America - Up 3.6% (222,057 Vehicles Sold This Month, 1,377,222 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Audi of America - Up 2.5% (18,824 Vehicles Sold This Month, 121,795 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Mitsubishi Motors North America - Up 1.7% (8,025 Vehicles Sold This Month, 62,601 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Porsche Cars North America, Inc. - Up 0.6% (3,901 Vehicles Sold This Month, 31,469 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    American Honda Motor Co. - Down 1.2% (150,980 Vehicles Sold This Month, 942,866 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Mazda North American Operations - Down 3% (27,089 Vehicles Sold This Month, 168,713 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Nissan Group - Down 3.2% (128,295 Vehicles Sold This Month, 947,983 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Jaguar Land Rover North America - Down 4% (9,081 Vehicles Sold This Month, 65,585 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Volkswagen of America - Down 5.8% (27,091 Vehicles Sold This Month, 188,329 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Kia Motors America - Down 5.9% (56,403 Vehicles Sold This Month, 352,139 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Ford Motor Company -  Down 7.5% (200,212 Vehicles Sold This Month, 1,501,314 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    FCA US LLC - Down 10% (161,477 Vehicles Sold This Month, 1,228,839 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    BMW Group U.S. - Down 13.7% (26,363 Vehicles Sold This Month, 197,654 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    General Motors Co. - Down 15.4% (226,107 Vehicles Sold This Month, 1,640,553 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Volvo Car USA, LLC - Down 18.8% (6,967 Vehicles Sold This Month, 41,072 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Hyundai Motor America - Down 27.9% (54,063 Vehicles Sold This Month, 400,423 Vehicles Sold This Year)

    Maserati North America, Inc. - 
    Mercedes-Benz USA - 

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    Acura - Up 3.7% (14,177 Vehicles Sold This Month, 88,048 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Alfa Romeo - Up 2,749% (1,225 Vehicles Sold This Month, 4,944 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Audi - Up 2.5% (18,824 Vehicles Sold This Month, 121,795 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    BMW - Down 14.8% (21,965 Vehicles Sold This Month, 171,051 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Buick - Down 30.5% (15,966 Vehicles Sold This Month, 126,282 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Cadillac - Down 21.7% (11,227 Vehicles Sold This Month, 83,300 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Chevrolet - Down 15.3% (151,502 Vehicles Sold This Month, 1,120,384 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Chrysler - Down 30% (13,303 Vehicles Sold This Month, 115,398 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Dodge - Down 12% (31,264 Vehicles Sold This Month, 292,244 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Fiat - Down 18% (2,244 Vehicles Sold This Month, 16,926 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Ford - Down 7.7% (191,337 Vehicles Sold This Month, 1,436,102 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Genesis - N/A (1,644 Vehicles Sold This Month, 11,563 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    GMC - Down 7.3% (47,412 Vehicles Sold This Month, 310,587 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Honda - Down 1.7% (136,803 Vehicles Sold This Month, 854,818 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Hyundai - Down 30.1% (52,419 Vehicles Sold This Month, 388,860 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Infiniti - Up 9% (10,840 Vehicles Sold This Month, 89,983 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Jaguar - Down 7% (3,166 Vehicles Sold This Month, 23,831 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Jeep - Down 12% (69,351 Vehicles Sold This Month, 475,642 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Kia - Down 5.9% (56,403 Vehicles Sold This Month, 352,139 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Land Rover - Down 3% (5,915 Vehicles Sold This Month, 41,754 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Lexus - Up 3.6% (28,902 Vehicles Sold This Month, 162,662 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Lincoln - Down 2.5% (8,875 Vehicles Sold This Month, 65,212 Vehicles Sold This Year)
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    Mazda - Down 3% (27,089 Vehicles Sold This Month, 168,713 Vehicles Sold This Year)
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    MINI - Down 7.9% (4,398 Vehicles Sold This Month, 26,603 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Mitsubishi - Up 1.7% (8,025 Vehicles Sold This Month, 62,601 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Nissan - Down 4.1% (117,455 Vehicles Sold This Month, 858,000 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Porsche - Up 0.6% (3,901 Vehicles Sold This Month, 31,469 Vehicles Sold This Year)
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    Toyota - Up 3.6% (193,155 Vehicles Sold This Month, 1,214,560 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Volkswagen - Down 5.8% (27,091 Vehicles Sold This Month, 188,329 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Volvo - Down 18.8% (6,967 Vehicles Sold This Month, 41,072 Vehicles Sold This Year)

    *Mercedes-Benz's sales numbers include Mercedes-Benz Vans.

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    27 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    Numbers do not look good at the moment!

    Alfa is up 2700 percent...it's a plot!

    Lol! Yet Fiat and Alfa are still, by far, the weak sales links on the FCA chain. 

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    44 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

    Lol! Yet Fiat and Alfa are still, by far, the weak sales links on the FCA chain. 

    If only Alfa Romeo had the profit margins of Maserati, Sergio would not look so bad in terms of sacrificing Chrysler to the Italian sales boat anchors.

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    WOW Toyota sold 41000+ Rav4s. Outsold all competition this past month. Not the best or newest. Was there some kind of special promotion?

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    6 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    So far the Asians are up and everyone else is suffering...

    Nissan, Mazda and Honda are all down. So I think everyone is hurting, just a few not as bad as the rest.

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     Bad month unless you are Toyota corp.  Alfa cracked 1,000 which is good but that might flatline around 2,000 a month.  Will be interesting to see what happens there.

    The part of this list alphabetically from Buick to Ford told a severe beating.  Not surprised really.

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    No body is taking a beating.  Just because the number of cars sold ard down means nothing.  Its all about profit.  You can be down 50% but profits could be up 20%.   Don't rely on cars sold to judge the car industry completely.  GM for one example is down 15 points but in reality those were cars so to rental companies mostly, with little to no profit last year.

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    47 minutes ago, Guest 2017trumpride said:

    No body is taking a beating.  Just because the number of cars sold ard down means nothing.  Its all about profit.  You can be down 50% but profits could be up 20%.   Don't rely on cars sold to judge the car industry completely.  GM for one example is down 15 points but in reality those were cars so to rental companies mostly, with little to no profit last year.

    As someone who despises Ford, I really don't mind seeing them down 7.5% though....and Audi up 2.5%!  Wonderful....

    Plus, Hyundai is really hurting...

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    4 hours ago, Guest CarGuy said:

    WOW Toyota sold 41000+ Rav4s. Outsold all competition this past month. Not the best or newest. Was there some kind of special promotion?

     

    12 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    Not sure....

    Love web page time back machine, July has the same deals as august, so you have zero percent financing, or $200 a month lease or $3,000 dollars cash deals.

    rav4-Deals.jpg

    Looking at local dealerships in washington state here, they must also have some additional dealer incentives as locally they are offering Finance or Lease with additional $3K off, so I figure they must have extra room to really move the Rav 4.

    Is there a refresh coming that I am not aware of?

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    Just now, dfelt said:

     

    Love web page time back machine, July has the same deals as august, so you have zero percent financing, or $200 a month lease or $3,000 dollars cash deals.

    rav4-Deals.jpg

    Looking at local dealerships in washington state here, they must also have some additional dealer incentives as locally they are offering Finance or Lease with additional $3K off, so I figure they must have extra room to really move the Rav 4.

    Is there a refresh coming that I am not aware of?

    Not a refresh I know of.

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    8 hours ago, Guest CarGuy said:

    WOW Toyota sold 41000+ Rav4s. Outsold all competition this past month. Not the best or newest. Was there some kind of special promotion?

    A buddy who was leasing a highlander got a call from the dealer and they said they would pull ahead his lease, lower his payment, and next to nothing down.  he had been considering turning in the lease and buying used but the toyota whores got him........

    5 hours ago, Guest 2017trumpride said:

    No body is taking a beating.  Just because the number of cars sold ard down means nothing.  Its all about profit.  You can be down 50% but profits could be up 20%.   Don't rely on cars sold to judge the car industry completely.  GM for one example is down 15 points but in reality those were cars so to rental companies mostly, with little to no profit last year.

    market share is important though, too.  Over time if your market share erodes, you can end up in a position where you no longer are a big enough player in the market.

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    6 hours ago, Guest 2017trumpride said:

    No body is taking a beating.  Just because the number of cars sold ard down means nothing.  Its all about profit.  You can be down 50% but profits could be up 20%.   Don't rely on cars sold to judge the car industry completely.  GM for one example is down 15 points but in reality those were cars so to rental companies mostly, with little to no profit last year.

    Go look at overall sedan sales versus CUV and truck sales and try again to tell us that they aren't taking a beating. Retail overall is down which does not include rental sales. This is from a few months ago. 

     

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2017/07/03/june-auto-sales.html

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    2 hours ago, regfootball said:

    A buddy who was leasing a highlander got a call from the dealer and they said they would pull ahead his lease, lower his payment, and next to nothing down.  he had been considering turning in the lease and buying used but the toyota whores got him........

    market share is important though, too.  Over time if your market share erodes, you can end up in a position where you no longer are a big enough player in the market.

    Or if your just really focused like Subaru a lot of incremental gains add up.

    1 hour ago, surreal1272 said:

    Go look at overall sedan sales versus CUV and truck sales and try again to tell us that they aren't taking a beating. Retail overall is down which does not include rental sales. This is from a few months ago. 

     

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2017/07/03/june-auto-sales.html

    Except that some people are still selling sedans...

    Besides, Audi is up and Lincoln is down...what is not to like?

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    22 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    Or if your just really focused like Subaru a lot of incremental gains add up.

    Except that some people are still selling sedans...

    Besides, Audi is up and Lincoln is down...what is not to like?

    Don't care for Audi at all. Just overdressed VWs that are just too vanilla for me. Just my opinion though  

     

    And yes, a few sedans are selling but the key word there is "few". 

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    2 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

    Don't care for Audi at all. Just overdressed VWs that are just too vanilla for me. Just my opinion though  

     

    And yes, a few sedans are selling but the key word there is "few". 

    Different strokes for different Folks.

    Question is why are all three domestics at the bottom of the pile at the moment?

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    Given the probable sales slump (everywhere excluding Toyota), I wonder what vehicles are selling and where the profits are.  If the sales are higher-profit trucks/SUVs and crossovers, then maybe it is not so bad.  If sales are down and the marque is all cars all the time, that sounds like real trouble for that car brand.

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    1 minute ago, riviera74 said:

    Given the probable sales slump (everywhere excluding Toyota), I wonder what vehicles are selling and where the profits are.  If the sales are higher-profit trucks/SUVs and crossovers, then maybe it is not so bad.  If sales are down and the marque is all cars all the time, that sounds like real trouble for that car brand.

    Trucks and Suvs are selling.  I am mostly concerned about GM right now.

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    GM doesn't have enough crossovers yet.  We might need to see Chevy for example go from Equinox, Trax, Traverse to 4, 5, 6 different crossovers.

    Honestly too, another reason sales are down.  Car prices are WTFH!!!!  We've hit the threshold of what consumers are willing to spend or can spend.

    The old bread and butter sedans were mid size or large and reasonably priced.  Manuf's only price the Escapes of the world affordably.  More crossovers that are Edge sized need to come down in price to fill that everyman's car role.  Just because its a crossover doesn't mean it automatically has to go for 50g.

    I don't mind the new market taking a bit of a dive.  It should send a message to the manuf's that overproduction has real consequences, and also it reminds them that price is an issue.

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    10 hours ago, regfootball said:

    GM doesn't have enough crossovers yet.  We might need to see Chevy for example go from Equinox, Trax, Traverse to 4, 5, 6 different crossovers.

    Honestly too, another reason sales are down.  Car prices are WTFH!!!!  We've hit the threshold of what consumers are willing to spend or can spend.

    The old bread and butter sedans were mid size or large and reasonably priced.  Manuf's only price the Escapes of the world affordably.  More crossovers that are Edge sized need to come down in price to fill that everyman's car role.  Just because its a crossover doesn't mean it automatically has to go for 50g.

    I don't mind the new market taking a bit of a dive.  It should send a message to the manuf's that overproduction has real consequences, and also it reminds them that price is an issue.

    I would be happier if the developed the crossovers they had better. Trax and Encore are a nice start, but they need to bring their A game with what they have.

    I almost would rather them simplify the lineup and work harder at making what they have A game contenders.

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    12 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    Different strokes for different Folks.

    Question is why are all three domestics at the bottom of the pile at the moment?

    For GM, I agree WTF is up with Sales, Main thing I can think of is that I have not seen any real marketing for GM auto's. I do not have TV in the traditional sense as I use HULU, VUDU and Netflix and so I see near ZERO commercials. Yet with that said, I also hardly seen any auto ads on my smartphone, computer or in the new streaming services.

    I believe GM is still stuck in the past of only advertising in regular TV and old style magazines and newspapers. GM needs to get with the times of Google and Bing and advertise through the new media's.

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    • My friend who will be my riding bud has an older Ducati Streetfighter... he likes it but he complains that getting anything done to it is expensive.  I'm sure I'm going to be in the same boat with a BMW, but at least being aircooled, shaft drive, boxer the amount of maintenance it will need is lower.  Of your list, I like the Triumph the best, but the Yamaha would probably be lowest cost of ownership.  I looked at the Yamaha XSR900 very early on in my search (years ago) because it reminded me of my dual-sport I had in my teens, but it was uncomfortably too tall for me. 
    • Prices going up. Economy not fully recovered. Supply shortages. Money printer going brrrr... I think of the following words. Stagflation... And  A word that starts with 'C' and ends with 'm'. In Canada - (no incentives for people to work below a certain income level, reducing productivity and making costs go up). Oops I might be derailing thread. Please no one entertain the kind of word I was thinking. Yeah lumber prices are bad. I heard Canada (where I live) might be limiting exports due to the cancellations of keystone too. Not sure if true or not. As for Tesla cars. I don't think any car maker could sell those cheap Wuling things yet in NA. I don't see the price points ever going lower, maybe some more features for the money down the line. And Tesla is about to be inundated with competition. I think their position is not nearly as strong as when the Model Y came out. Paper tiger maybe.
    • Supply down + Demand Up = higher prices.... not that hard. Prices for nearly everything are going up. It has nothing to do with BEVs.  It has to do with everything from lumber to microchips being in short supply. Also... prices for used and new gasoline powered vehicles is going up too, so at worst, BEVs are just keeping pace with the industry as a whole. Furthermore, no one gave a date as to when the cost of BEVs would dip below ICEs, so calling that misinformation is substantially premature.  The big, experienced manufacturers like GM and MB have been awoken like a sleeping dragon and the new BEV platforms coming from them are going to be serious entries, not just an electric motor thrown in one of their gasser models with a bunch of laptop batteries in the trunk. As of about 3 years ago, they all started taking BEVs seriously. There will be economies of scale as the cells of a Silverado don't need to be any different in composition than the cells in a Bolt... the only difference will be quantity.  GM will no longer need to build 197 different powertrain combinations, it will be reduced to 10 (if memory serves, it's somewhere in that ballpark of a delta in powertrains). There will no longer be a need for complex 10-speed transmissions. No AWD systems. No exhaust systems. There won't be complex electro-mechanical systems to turn cylinders on and off while driving. There won't be turbo-chargers. There won't be those electronic shutters that close a grille at speed. All of that stuff listed that needs to be engineered and re-engineered every 5 - 7 years will go away. None of that is in place today and no one claimed it would be in place by today, but you have the combined industrial might of GM, Ford, BMW, Mercedes, VW, Hyundai, Telsa, Panasonic, Samsung, LG, and others working on it.
    • On a side note, all of my closest friends recently bought bikes either this year or last year and it REALLY has given me the itch. I just don't have a garage for one yet and couldn't justify spending the money when we have a home to finish and garage to build.. Two of them have some Harley of sorts and two of them have Indians, none of them are my style or anywhere near what I would want to ride. I'm a HUGE fan of the naked sporty bikes.  Something like a Monster 796,  Triumph Street Triple 675, Yamaha MT-09, would be perfect for me
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