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Sales: December 2019 Sales Figure Ticker

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  • Quarterly:

    Ford Motor Company - Down 1.3% for the quarter, Down 3.0% for the year
    General Motors Co. - Down 6.3% for the quarter, Down 2.3% for the year
    Tesla Not yet Reported
    FCA US LLC - Down 2% for the quarter, Down 1% for the year

    Monthly:
    Audi of America -  Up 14.0% for the month, Up 0.4% for the year
    BMW of North America -  Up 2.4% for the month, Up 1.8% for the year
    Genesis Motor America Up 262.4% for the month, Up 105.9% for the year
    Honda Motor Co.  Down 12.0% for the month, Up 0.2% for the year
    Hyundai Motor America -  Down 0.6% for the month, Up 3.2% for the year
    Infiniti USA - 
    Down 37.8% for the month, Down 21.1% for the year
    Jaguar Land Rover North America - Up 2.6% for the year
    Kia Motors America - Up 8.0% for the month, Up 4.4% for the year
    Mazda North American Operations - Up 6.5%  for the month, Down 7.2% for the year
    Mercedes-Benz USA - Down 2.4% for the month, Up 1.0% for the year
    Mitsubishi Motors North America  Up 10.3% for the month, Up 2.5% for the year
    Nissan Group - Down 29.5% for the month, Down 9.9% for the year
    Porsche Cars North America Inc. -  Up 15.8% for the month, Up 7.6% for the year
    Subaru of America, Inc. - Down 3.4% for the month, Up 2.9% for the year
    Toyota Motor North America - Down 6.1% for the month, Down 1.8% for the year
    Volkswagen of America - Down 13% for the month, Up 2.6% for the year
    Volvo Cars of North America, LLC - Up 40% for the month, Up 10.2% for the year


    Brands (Quarterly):
    Alfa Romeo - Down 12%
    Buick - Down 4.3%
    Cadillac -  Down 2.2%
    Chevrolet - Down 6.1%
    Chrysler - Down 15%
    Dodge - Down 9%
    Ford - Down 2.2%
    Fiat - Down 49%
    GMC - Down 8.5%
    Jeep - Down 2%
    Lincoln - Up 17.8%
    Ram Trucks - Up 6%
    Tesla - Not yet Reported

    Brands (Monthly):
    Acura - Down 3.8% 
    Audi - Up 14.0%
    BMW - Up 4.0%
    Genesis - Up 419.7%
    Honda - Down 12.9%
    Hyundai - Down 0.6%
    Infiniti - Down 37.8%
    Jaguar - Up 1.9% for the year
    Kia - Up 8.0%
    Land Rover - Up 2.8% for the year
    Lexus - Down 0.6%
    Mazda - Up 6.5%
    Mercedes-Benz - Down 5.4%
    Mercedes-Benz Vans - Up 21.1%
    MINI - Down 17.4%
    Mitsubishi - Up 10.3%
    Nissan - Down 28.4% 
    Porsche - Up 14.8% 
    Smart - No Longer Reported 
    Subaru - Down 3.4% 
    Toyota - Down 7.2% 
    Volkswagen - Down 13.0%
    Volvo - Up 40%


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Nissan and Infiniti can't stop the bleeding.  That company is in big trouble because they don't even have new stuff coming or any desirable product.  FCA outside of Ram is looking pretty weak too, I imagine PSA will make changes.

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OUCH, the blood is gonna flow I think for a good while longer.

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Hmmm...starting to see the recession- oops, slowdown creeping in there. Betting even even more of a drop next month- thanks to the new issues that came up today....

Things are not good for Nissan at all...

Just hoping G

m does not panic and start cutting a bunch more models-that would be a bad idea.

Adding to the rumors that more models will find their way to Mexico....

And Ford is going to regret slashing that car line.....

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Carlos Ghosn is on his way back to save Nissan, Mitsubishi and Renault, he can run all 3 out of a bunker in Lebanon.  Turn around expected!

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PSA has a lot of cleaning up to do, and they will probably be merciless on FCA.

As for GM, not sure what they can do for this year at all.

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Oh, to be an Infiniti dealer right now...terrifying.

It's not an easy market, so for any brand, getting your act together and focused is vital. When you're not doing what you should, the numbers only more clearly show it...

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13 hours ago, riviera74 said:

PSA has a lot of cleaning up to do, and they will probably be merciless on FCA.

As for GM, not sure what they can do for this year at all.

Only Jeep might make it alive out of FCA....

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Infiniti’s turn around will come in the form of a badge job Kicks and Rogue.  Slap some leather and wood trim and a big touch screen in there with a VC turbo and you have Infiniti QX20 and QX40 that they can sell for $29,900 and $34,900 respectively and they can fleet them out to rental car companies.

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47 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

Infiniti’s turn around will come in the form of a badge job Kicks and Rogue.  Slap some leather and wood trim and a big touch screen in there with a VC turbo and you have Infiniti QX20 and QX40 that they can sell for $29,900 and $34,900 respectively and they can fleet them out to rental car companies.

Disagree, no need for a luxury brand to enter the Toyota / Chevrolet realm much like MB has done. Cheapens the status of the brand.

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2 hours ago, dfelt said:

Disagree, no need for a luxury brand to enter the Toyota / Chevrolet realm much like MB has done. Cheapens the status of the brand.

Infiniti is dead is it is, what is the difference?  And what have Cadillac, Lincoln, Acura and Lexus done?  Gotten sales of crossover versions of Escape, Equinox, Rav4, etc.  I'd be surprised if there wasn't a Cadillac XT3 within 3 years based on the Trailblazer/Encore GX.

The Q50/Q60 are basically fleet luxury and lease specials for people that don't want to pay Lexus or BMW prices.   The QX80 will never compete with Escalade, Navigator or the big German SUVs there are far superior and the QX-Pathfinder isn't competitive since the Pathfinder isn't any good.  Only place Infiniti can compete is in the $30-50k crossover segment, where there are a ton of entries but it is a big space.  

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2 hours ago, smk4565 said:

Infiniti is dead is it is, what is the difference?  And what have Cadillac, Lincoln, Acura and Lexus done?

Cadillac, Lincoln, Acura & Lexus provide their customers products they want. Products they potentially chose over BMW or MB's hundreds of 'same sausage' CUVs. Why haven't the Germans triplets put all these other brands out of business years ago??

And what you said above about infiniti is the same thing you said about Lincoln like 2-3 years ago.

 

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Lincoln has revived themselves off Ford SUVs, although Lincoln did a good job dressing them up.  Infiniti should do the sane but Nissan has no new product either.

Cadillac is also using the same sausage different length strategy with their trio of FWD crossovers and It is why their sales don’t look like Infiniti’s.

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1 hour ago, balthazar said:

Just like mercedes does a good job of dressing up the e-class into their s-class, right?

The S-class was on sale first, both ride on the MRA platform, but I wouldn’t call the S-class a dressed up anything.  
 

The Corsair, Aviator and Navigator are mechanical twins to Fords, they also get clobbered in sales by X3/X5/X7 and GLC/GLE/GLS.  

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1 hour ago, balthazar said:

How do the glc/gle/gls do vs the Ford and Lincolnz combined? 😝

Well they aren't priced against Fords.  

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Ahh; but you implied they were the same vehicle.
Aviator interior / Explorer interior - not seeing anything carried over :

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'20 mercedes GLE competes directly with the Lincoln Aviator (MSRP base - L: $51.1K, MB: $53.7K).
But the merceds is down on HP (L: 400-494, MB: 362-480), has a shorter wheelbase & less leg room, has 1 less gear, and frankly it just seems dated; like daimler has been using the same recipe for a decade & a half now. Aviator is extremely fresh and you can see the effort Lincoln put into it just from a quick walk-around.

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15 minutes ago, balthazar said:

Ahh; but you implied they were the same vehicle.
Aviator interior / Explorer interior - not seeing anything carried over :

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I said Lincolns are mechanical twins to Ford, although with some suspension and engine upgrades.  I think Lincoln has done a good job on their interiors differentiating them and upgrading them from the Ford counter parts.  They do a better job than Acura, Cadillac or Infiniti do with their SUVs.  Lexus does a good job making theirs not look like Toyotas either.   Lincoln interiors are also distinct, they aren't a copy off someone else, like what Genesis usually does.

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See; it's all in your mindset/approach. You view these as 'the same but well differentiated', whereas I feel they are 2 different vehicles that share some mechanicals. It's not that Ford 'hid something'; they developed 2 vehicles that are completely 'interface'-unique, yet share some mechanicals. In other words- the Lincoln is NOT a 'changed Ford' - that's not how these vehicles are developed.

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Ford and Lincoln are no longer(finally) just badge-jobs. Not long ago all Lincoln's were was a few small changes and they called it a day. Now, Lincoln gets their own treatment and share only underpinnings. I think it was a year or two ago they came out and said all of the switch-gear would be Lincoln-specific as well, so you really wouldn't see Ford when sitting in a Lincoln. I think that might have been when the current Navigator came out. 

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Infiniti, which is a dead in the water brand, outsold Lincoln in 2019.  That's where Lincoln is.  I think Lincoln will beat Infiniti in 2020 but even that makes Lincoln the 7th best selling luxury brand in their own market, and Lincoln has very little impact outside of North America.  

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GM down over 2%. When you cut ‘low profit cars’ and sedans like the Cruze and such you may be losing profits but weakening your market share can also be detrimental long term.
 

actually too.  Ram up 18% that alone contributed a lot to GM’s decline.  

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1 hour ago, regfootball said:

GM down over 2%. When you cut ‘low profit cars’ and sedans like the Cruze and such you may be losing profits but weakening your market share can also be detrimental long term.
 

actually too.  Ram up 18% that alone contributed a lot to GM’s decline.  

Sucky Chevrolet Truck / SUV styling does not help as they drop in sales behind Ram and the leader Ford.

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1 hour ago, regfootball said:

When you cut ‘low profit cars’ and sedans like the Cruze and such you may be losing profits but weakening your market share can also be detrimental long term.

Losing market share while keeping the same number of vehicle lines is a Not Good.
But cutting under-performing lines and losing market share is something that the balance sheet needs to be seen to evaluate.
 

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15 hours ago, dfelt said:

Sucky Chevrolet Truck / SUV styling does not help as they drop in sales behind Ram and the leader Ford.

Let's all not forget the greedy UAW strike for 40 days didn't help the General in sales, only helped it's crosstown rival FoMoCo and FCA-PSA with their contract negotiations.

I prefer the front-end and taillights of the new Sierra in AT4 guise with the power of the 6.2L over the Silverado, but I've driven a comparable 2019 6.2L 10 spd Silverado LTZ at my current Chevy dealer and it's a pretty impressive all around ride minus some needed interior trim work, and late 2020's should be a whole new ballgame with the interior. GM seems woke and are updating the interior trim for 2021 MY higher end models which will probably be out in 6 or 7 months and the 6.2L/10 spd. is now offered in 2020 LT and LT Trailboss models which will all help with sales. All new 2021 Full-size SUV's from all 3 GM brands using the new chassis will be out in probably the same time and definitely by September to hold on as the sales leader by a large margin.

It's interesting because I sat in a Ram Laramie Longhorn at the Phoenix IAS and didn't see anything to get excited about, I thought everything looked and felt kinda cheap, the faux woodgrain and faux leather on dash and center console with plastic wax feeling stitching were in your face and seemed overdone, it didn't look all that good in person so I don't see what all the hype is about. The huge touchscreen was too much, fingerprints and dust would drive me nuts too as my meticulous ways would be in overdrive haha. I do think GM needs a slightly larger touchscreen with the new interior layout, but nothing Tesla like or extreme.

I also have to say WTH is with the huge bell housing bulge on the passenger side footwell of the Ram?! You only have literally 6 or 8 inches of foot room all to the right. 🙄

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50 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

the 6.2L/10 spd. is now offered in 2020 LT and LT Trailboss models which will all help with sales.

Saw that in the build/price online- people were asking for that loudly & Chevy did it. I wish the 6.2 ran on regular tho.

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40 minutes ago, balthazar said:

Saw that in the build/price online- people were asking for that loudly & Chevy did it. I wish the 6.2 ran on regular tho.

Yep. I don't mind the 5 to 6 bucks extra per tank 60 or 65 bucks to fill up not a huge deal and it does make a difference in performance.

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It is not 5-6 bucks a tank more for premium in a Silverado.

28 gallon tank * $0.60 premium = $16.80 per tank. 

If your premium isn't 0.60 we can do $0.50 = $14.00 per tank

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1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

GM is not "woke". 

Let me make it clearer since you didn't comprehend. GM "is woke" in the fact that they are listening to their customers more which is why they are making the quick and early changes to their full-size truck lineup and adding to or updating their SUV/CUV lineup as well. In the past you had to practically beat your head against the front glass at the Ren Cen. to get their attention. Ford and Chrysler are in the same boat. Just like Balth also explained above, "people were asking for that loudly & Chevy did it."  It's a good thing.   

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Just now, ccap41 said:

It is not 5-6 bucks a tank more for premium in a Silverado.

28 gallon tank * $0.60 premium = $16.80 per tank. 

If your premium isn't 0.60 we can do $0.50 = $14.00 per tank

Since you wanna play, it's a 26 gal. tank. It's about $.30 more here in AZ for premium even at Shell. $7.80 at a $.30 premium per 26 gal. Sorry I was a $1.80 off LOL!! Screenshot_20200108-145738.thumb.png.05efeda46715c7fa7b4f1b26925bd3db.png  

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11 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

Since you wanna play, it's a 26 gal. tank. It's about $.30 more here in AZ for premium even at Shell. $7.80 at a $.30 premium per 26 gal. Sorry I was a $1.80 off LOL!! Screenshot_20200108-145738.thumb.png.05efeda46715c7fa7b4f1b26925bd3db.png  

Phoenix is more an anomaly as the rest of the country averages $0.60/gal over regular. 

https://www.erieinsurance.com/blog/regular-and-premium-gas 

Sorry, I read 24-28 and assumed 28 was pretty standard but with the crew cab being the most popular option that is a 24 gallon tank. I don't see 26 anywhere.

https://media.chevrolet.com/media/us/en/chevrolet/vehicles/silverado/2019.tab1.html

I'll take a national average over one single station for statistical comparisons. 

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Just now, ccap41 said:

Phoenix is more an anomaly as the rest of the country averages $0.60/gal over regular.

Sorry, I read 24-28 and assumed 28 was pretty standard but with the crew cab being the most popular option that is a 24 gallon tank. I don't see 26 anywhere.

https://media.chevrolet.com/media/us/en/chevrolet/vehicles/silverado/2019.tab1.html

Not really an anomaly to the rest of the country. Attached a couple more Gas Buddy shots from Top Tier gas stations in the NW part of the country for you. You're getting railed on gasoline in STL apparently. I know LA is a ridiculous anomaly the other way, but everything in So. Cal is ridiculous.   

It's been a 26 gal. tank for decades in the Silverado and Sierra double and crew cab short and standard bed, 34 gal. for long bed. https://g.co/kgs/coqM6M Ford and Dodge were the same, pretty industry standard. The T1 CC SB might have gone to a slightly smaller tank from 26 to 24 gal., which would make it even less $ per tank.

 

 

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I use this for state by state average gas prices:

https://gasprices.aaa.com/state-gas-price-averages/

Washington State averages $3.14 per regular gallon of Gas.

Washington State averages $3.52 per Premium Gallon of Gas.

So a 28 gallon tank is $87.92 to fill up on regular or $98.56 on Premium, difference of $10.64

If you can afford to drive the truck with the 6.2L / 10sp transmission, I do not see roughly $10 bucks being a breaking point. After all I average between $400 to $500 a month in my SS alone for Gas and that does require Premium.

The Escalade is about $150 to $200 a month as it is not a daily driver.

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Why are we basing fuel costs with how big a gasoline tank is?

A 26 gallon fuel tank wont make your truck spend more money on gasoline than a 24 gallon one.

If it takes you 100 bucks per week for fuel (or 400 bucks per month) than it costs you 100 bucks per week for fuel (or 400 bucks per month) no matter how big your gas tank is...

Having a smaller gasoline tank just makes you spend less per fill-up, but makes you visit the gas station more often.  In the long run, having a smaller gas tank may cost you more gas as you may spend more fuel re-fueling IF your gas station that you go to more often than not is OUT of your way traveling unnecessarily if you had a bigger gas tan... 

(But then again...having a bigger gas tank may make you spend more fuel as additional weight also burns more fuel...) (But... )

And if it aint out of your way, you spend MORE time there as you stop more often...and that is just a perfect waste of time...  plus if you are the type of person to always buy some sort of stupid trinket or lottery ticket or junk food at the gas station, then you are spending more money NEEDLESSLY...

Just a rant...Im bored...

 

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12 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

Why are we basing fuel costs with how big a gasoline tank is?

A 26 gallon fuel tank wont make your truck spend more money on gasoline than a 24 gallon one.

If it takes you 100 bucks per week for fuel (or 400 bucks per month) than it costs you 100 bucks per week for fuel (or 400 bucks per month) no matter how big your gas tank is...

Having a smaller gasoline tank just makes you spend less per full-up, but makes you visit the gas station more often.  In the long run, having a smaller gas tank may cost you more gas as you may spend more fuel re-fueling IF your gas station that you go to more often than not is OUT of your way...  And if it aint out of your way, you spend MORE time there as you stop more often...and that is just a perfect waste of time...  plus if you are the type of person to always buy some sort of stupid trinket or lottery ticket or junk food at the gas station, then you are spending more money NEEDLESSLY...

Just a rant...Im bored...

 

Happy New Year man!

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18 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

Happy New Year @USA-1!!!

But not only to you...

But EVERYBODY!!!

 

 

Good point once again!! :cheers:

26 minutes ago, dfelt said:

I use this for state by state average gas prices:

https://gasprices.aaa.com/state-gas-price-averages/

Washington State averages $3.14 per regular gallon of Gas.

Washington State averages $3.52 per Premium Gallon of Gas.

So a 28 gallon tank is $87.92 to fill up on regular or $98.56 on Premium, difference of $10.64

If you can afford to drive the truck with the 6.2L / 10sp transmission, I do not see roughly $10 bucks being a breaking point. After all I average between $400 to $500 a month in my SS alone for Gas and that does require Premium.

The Escalade is about $150 to $200 a month as it is not a daily driver.

+1!! :metal:

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38 minutes ago, dfelt said:

difference of $10.64

If you can afford to drive the truck with the 6.2L / 10sp transmission, I do not see roughly $10 bucks being a breaking point. After all I average between $400 to $500 a month in my SS alone for Gas and that does require Premium.

That 10 bucks is per fill-up.

As a one-time shot, 10 bucks is nothing, but if you are filling up two or three times a week (not unreasonable for some to fill-up 3 times a week) , that 10 bucks translates to (we will do twice a week) becomes 20 bucks. Per month that translates to 80 bucks...

@ 80 bucks...THAT becomes quite pricey.

I know I want to do other things with my money than give an extra 80 bucks to big oil... 

Keep in mind we are talking about a daily driven car...no need to have a premium gasolined daily driven car when a regular gasolined car can and does the same job. Which is getting from point A to Point B. Unless of course its a job and/or business related daily driven car. 

As a fun car to drive around, a premium gasolined car...well...that sounds like...fun.   

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4 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

That 10 bucks is per fill-up.

As a one-time shot, 10 bucks is nothing, but if you are filling up two or three times a week (not unreasonable for some to fill-up 3 times a week) , that 10 bucks translates to (we will do twice a week) becomes 20 bucks. Per month that translates to 80 bucks...

@ 80 bucks...THAT becomes quite pricey.

I know I want to do other things with my money than give an extra 80 bucks to big oil... 

Keep in mind we are talking about a daily driven car...no need to have a premium gasolined daily driven car. Unless of course its a job and/or business related daily driven car.

As a fun car to drive around, a premium gasolined car..well...that sounds like...fun. 

Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Then that constant need to run to a gas station and top off especially if bad weather is coming makes going EV just that much better where you just plug in at night at your home and know you have a full tank of Acceleration fuel in the morning. ;) :P 

Surprised no one that has emoji making skills has not taken this picture of a Rivian and made that green indicator line move from left to right in a empty to full indication.

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1 minute ago, dfelt said:

Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Then that constant need to run to a gas station and top off especially if bad weather is coming makes going EV just that much better where you just plug in at night at your home and know you have a full tank of Acceleration fuel in the morning. ;) :P 

EXACTLY!

But dont kid yourself. If electric power will be the fuel of the future, Big Evil Oil will just be replaced by  Big Evil Darth Sidious Electric...   

Image result for sheev palpatine elctric fingers the rise of skywalker"

Electric power companies will now control our transportation needs.  They WILL increase the prices...

 

Dont mind me...Im ranting again.

Im bored immensely...

 

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47 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

a bigger gas tan

Most gas stations around here have canopies, I can honestly say I've never had a gas tan.

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Or...

A gas tan...

a tan that you get by a burning Italian sports car?

Image result for burning ferrari"

 

 

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14 minutes ago, dfelt said:

...where you just plug in at night at your home and know you have a full tank of Acceleration fuel in the morning.

If every EV owner did this, the public chargers would all be completely empty til at least noon.
Wonder why I always see them with at least a half dozen cars there at 9AM?

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39 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

As a one-time shot, 10 bucks is nothing, but if you are filling up two or three times a week (not unreasonable for some to fill-up 3 times a week) , that 10 bucks translates to (we will do twice a week) becomes 20 bucks. Per month that translates to 80 bucks...

no need to have a premium gasolined daily driven car when a regular gasolined car can and does the same job. Which is getting from point A to Point B.

Who actually fills up the tank two or three times a week, maybe the mailman or a police officer in a Tahoe PPV?! LOL!!

 

That would be a boring A to B drive for you then :D

The extra dough is totally worth it to me, life is too short to spend it in a boring A to B car everyday. My LS1 5.7L singing the SBC melody while running on Premium or my Silvy 6.2L SBC, Tuned and running on Premium? Yeah, totally worth it. Same if not better mileage and the performance gains in my truck on a Premium tune compared to even a Stock tune is pretty significant. Of course I'm running an Airaid CAI kit and Magnaflow exhaust with the tune to complete it 😎

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2 hours ago, ccap41 said:

It is not 5-6 bucks a tank more for premium in a Silverado.

28 gallon tank * $0.60 premium = $16.80 per tank. 

If your premium isn't 0.60 we can do $0.50 = $14.00 per tank

usually in my neck, premium is +40 over regular at most typical stations but i get most of my fillups now at costco.  Premium at Costco most days is about 20 cents higher than regular at typical stations.  You can argue the true cost of a costco membership, but if you are getting one already due to the great meat, big ass cheesecake and pumpkin pie, and the GM costco rebate potential, then it can help save on premium.

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12 hours ago, USA-1 said:

Who actually fills up the tank two or three times a week, maybe the mailman or a police officer in a Tahoe PPV?! LOL!!

I do.  My commute is over 40 miles one way.  

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13 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

A tan that you get by a burning Italian sports car?

You didn’t just bring up vehicle fires in an EV conversation, did you? 🤪

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15 hours ago, USA-1 said:

Not really an anomaly to the rest of the country. Attached a couple more Gas Buddy shots from Top Tier gas stations in the NW part of the country for you. You're getting railed on gasoline in STL apparently. I know LA is a ridiculous anomaly the other way, but everything in So. Cal is ridiculous.   

It's been a 26 gal. tank for decades in the Silverado and Sierra double and crew cab short and standard bed, 34 gal. for long bed. https://g.co/kgs/coqM6M Ford and Dodge were the same, pretty industry standard. The T1 CC SB might have gone to a slightly smaller tank from 26 to 24 gal., which would make it even less $ per tank.

 

 

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Maybe you didn't realize the 2019 Silverado is brand new and the "been for decades" thing is irrelevant. 

You also must be picky and choosey with your STL prices as I drove past two stations this morning at 2.29/gal. 

Here is a REAL image of gasoline prices in the STL area, not whatever you are looking for.

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Even premium prices are lower that whatever you were searching for.

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13 hours ago, regfootball said:

usually in my neck, premium is +40 over regular at most typical stations but i get most of my fillups now at costco.  Premium at Costco most days is about 20 cents higher than regular at typical stations.  You can argue the true cost of a costco membership, but if you are getting one already due to the great meat, big ass cheesecake and pumpkin pie, and the GM costco rebate potential, then it can help save on premium.

That's a very reasonable price and especially if you have a membership, get your gas there as well. 

15 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

Why are we basing fuel costs with how big a gasoline tank is?

Because he said "5--6 bucks per tank". 

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14 hours ago, USA-1 said:

The extra dough is totally worth it to me, life is too short

IMO, life is too short to piss money down the drain on premium vs regular for a non-performance vehicle...like a truck.. 

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@ccap41 Oh gotcha so you're basing your "argument" on one article that you posted stating that the national average is $.60 more for premium and not what you would pay? WOW! Also, I never looked at your STL prices, but one would think you would have. Nobody cares what the national average is, they care about their home state current fuel prices and what they would pay like I originally stated.:duh:

Since you brought it up, it is very relevant that the standard GM truck fuel tank has been 26 gallons for decades because there are still MILLIONS of those GMT400, GMT800, GMT900, GMTK2XX trucks STILL OUT THERE on the road with that exact size fuel tank in place. Google that. 

It's obvious that you've never had a fast truck that performs really well and that's too bad because it's a blast and my performance vehicle isn't a truck anyway, but you know that...

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"nobody cares what the national average is" 

uhhh.. how else would we all compare prices/costs when we all live in different locations? 

Still, you should have looked up the vehicle we're talking about. 24 or 28 gallon tanks. 

Yeah, on a performance vehicle I am all for paying whatever premium as it isn't driven 100% of the time and it's all out of pure enjoyment. Buuuuut... we're talking about a stock Silverado 6.2. That is not what I could classify as a "fast truck". It is very quick and serves its job exceptionally but, imo, it doesn't warrant the premium fuel prices. 

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17 hours ago, balthazar said:

If every EV owner did this, the public chargers would all be completely empty til at least noon.
Wonder why I always see them with at least a half dozen cars there at 9AM?

That is just proof of Humanity Laziness.

17 hours ago, USA-1 said:

Who actually fills up the tank two or three times a week, maybe the mailman or a police officer in a Tahoe PPV?! LOL!!

 

That would be a boring A to B drive for you then :D

The extra dough is totally worth it to me, life is too short to spend it in a boring A to B car everyday. My LS1 5.7L singing the SBC melody while running on Premium or my Silvy 6.2L SBC, Tuned and running on Premium? Yeah, totally worth it. Same if not better mileage and the performance gains in my truck on a Premium tune compared to even a Stock tune is pretty significant. Of course I'm running an Airaid CAI kit and Magnaflow exhaust with the tune to complete it 😎

I actually fill up my SS every 4 to 5 days. But then I have fun driving it. :P 

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5 minutes ago, dfelt said:

I actually fill up my SS every 4 to 5 days. But then I have fun driving it. :P 

Once a week is pretty normal, same here 5 to 6 days. Yes, it is fun! :P:D

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3 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

Once a week is pretty normal, same here 5 to 6 days. Yes, it is fun! :P:D

I honestly think everyone should get their auto's dialed in as the OEM just does not get the performance fun level out of the engine that 3rd party folks can. Zoom Zoom

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49 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

"nobody cares what the national average is" 

uhhh.. how else would we all compare prices/costs when we all live in different locations? 

Still, you should have looked up the vehicle we're talking about. 24 or 28 gallon tanks. 

Yeah, on a performance vehicle I am all for paying whatever premium as it isn't driven 100% of the time and it's all out of pure enjoyment. Buuuuut... we're talking about a stock Silverado 6.2. That is not what I could classify as a "fast truck". It is very quick and serves its job exceptionally but, imo, it doesn't warrant the premium fuel prices. 

You started comparing the national "average" price. I made a comment on my local premium fuel prices and what I pay, and your head exploded. 

I was never talking about the T1 2019 Silverado, you brought it up and made that comparison. I have a K2 2018 so...

So, apparently you didn't see right above this post where I stated that my 6.2L Silverado is Tuned for Premium with an Airaid CAI kit and Magnaflow exhaust?! Tune and bolt on's make a huge difference and are far from stock.

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35 minutes ago, dfelt said:

I honestly think everyone should get their auto's dialed in as the OEM just does not get the performance fun level out of the engine that 3rd party folks can. Zoom Zoom

Exactly! My tuned 6.2L is totally woken up with a snappier throttle and gets the same if not better mpg's. The OEM's want to get every last drop of fuel savings that they can, but the aftermarket guys adjust the timing and fuel delivery even more precisely. I took the front lower air-dam off as well and it looks so much better with the TrailMaster 2.25' Leveling kit I installed, just that much more ground clearance. It probably eeked out another 0.25 mpg with it on in stock form :roflmao:

2 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Just... never mind...

Good idea...best one yet...

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1 hour ago, dfelt said:

I honestly think everyone should get their auto's dialed in as the OEM just does not get the performance fun level out of the engine that 3rd party folks can. Zoom Zoom

That's because OEM's have to warranty their products for years and tens of thousands of miles. 

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2 hours ago, ccap41 said:

That's because OEM's have to warranty their products for years and tens of thousands of miles. 

Yet they build the Corvette which proves they could make the ultimate performance in every product they sell if they wanted too. Must be a bean counter looking at 1/4 pennies of profit for them to not do it.

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4 hours ago, USA-1 said:

...the standard GM truck fuel tank has been 26 gallons for decades because there are still MILLIONS of those GMT400, GMT800, GMT900, GMTK2XX trucks STILL OUT THERE on the road with that exact size fuel tank in place.

I have a GM pickup, (I think it’s the GMT800), and it has a 34 gal tank. 😉

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24 minutes ago, balthazar said:

I have a GM pickup, (I think it’s the GMT800), and it has a 34 gal tank. 😉

Yep, 34 gal. is the larger gas tank that I mentioned earlier. The 26 gal. tank is the standard most used tank and the one I have in my 2018 K2.

  23 hours ago, USA-1 said:

It's been a 26 gal. tank for decades in the Silverado and Sierra double and crew cab short and standard bed, 34 gal. is optional and/or in long bed models. https://g.co/kgs/coqM6M

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37 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Yet they build the Corvette which proves they could make the ultimate performance in every product they sell if they wanted too. Must be a bean counter looking at 1/4 pennies of profit for them to not do it.

Of course warranties are about bean counters, i the end. Had Hyundai and Kia not thrown massive warranties on their vehicles, they never would have taken off. 

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56 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Yet they build the Corvette which proves they could make the ultimate performance in every product they sell if they wanted too. Must be a bean counter looking at 1/4 pennies of profit for them to not do it.

Yep, bean counters and GM is too big or builds too many vehicles to hold to their DOT/DOE CAFE number with more V8 or performance oriented models to sell. All the higher-end GM V8 models (or any manf. with a thirsty V8) have the gas guzzler tax as well so that kills it for a lot of people too.

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5 hours ago, USA-1 said:

Once a week is pretty normal, same here 5 to 6 days. Yes, it is fun! :P:D

Yeah...twice a week is not far fetched.  I said thrice a week is not far fetched either. Which is not.

But...simple math.

I know people, many people, that do gas up twice a week.  

To fill up, in your case, 30 days...would be 6 times.  About. 

So its 60.  I said 80 dollars.   

60  dollars is still pricey per month for nothing...  

But...the premise was 10 bucks. And that 10 bucks is nothing. But it aint 10 bucks.  And with my twice/week would be 20 bucks as opposed to your fill-up schedule. 

That would be 720 bucks more over the course of the year for you, but it would be 960 bucks to other people I know...

Still...720 bucks, is a lot of coin. Even for people that have no cash flow problems to swallow just to give it to Big Oil just to fill-up their ride to go from point A to point B stuck in traffic or driving in slow in school zones just because their ride takes premium gasoline...  In other words, there is no SAFE enthusiastic driving going on with that so called enthusiastic ride that takes premium gasoline...   (Unless the daily driven ride is for your job/business then its a necessity more than anything else and no choice but to drive daily that vehicle) 

Ive had conversations in here regarding car depreciation and how people try to skimp and save. 

This conversation is no different.  

People value different things. People like to put their money in different areas. Which is cool.  All is good.

I aint preachin' my way is better. Alls Im sayin' is that:

For me...I dont necessarily value a premium gasolined vehicle for daily driven purposes if I dont have to...

To put this conversation in perspective. 

I put premium in my Acura.  

I used to put premium in my 2005 Impala SS.  My previous ride.  

Im just viewing this in another angle that actually does not really represent me personally. 

 

 

 

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Reality is complex.  Everyone’s use case is different.  I fill up when it’s down to 1/4 or 1/8th of a tank. Maybe every 2 to 2 1/2 weeks, more often in summer.  About $60 or so.   It is what it is. The Jeep is fine on 87. 

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19 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

Reality is complex.  Everyone’s use case is different.  I fill up when it’s down to 1/4 or 1/8th of a tank. Maybe every 2 to 2 1/2 weeks, more often in summer.  About $60 or so.   It is what it is. The Jeep is fine on 87. 

I dont travel far. I gas up EXACTLY like you. Every 2 weeks. Give or take a day or two.   I have gotten lazy with that schedule so I fill-up to the brim almost spilling it and I drive it to the absolute end....almost empty.   Yes...I know not good for the car when you do that.    Oh well...

Im sure the Acura is fine with 87... I know the Acura requires premium but I think the Acura's  driver's manual states that 87 will not produce knocks but I also seem to remember reading that one has to put premium more often than 87...or something like that ..   I put the "good stuff"  in it  all the time...   Why take a chance?  But then again, I drive it to empty more often than not also, so...   Where is my logic?     

Here I am, making a federal case about premium versus regular and how many times/week equals what amount one pays extra and stuff and how I prefer NOT to pay for premium but I actually do and then I drive it to empty...just because...

Reality is complex....

 

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Yeah, with working from home some weeks I don’t drive at all Monday-Thursday.  Or I drive a few miles some days.  I think my sister’s hooptie STS uses premium. I drive it occasionally to keep the battery strong and the tires round. 

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4 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

Yeah...I said thrice a week is not far fetched either. Which is not.

60  dollars is still pricey per month for nothing... 

Three times a week is pretty far fetched for most people. Now, in Canadia (sp on purpose) you might have to drive a lot further to do business or get to work. :D

It's definitely not for nothing, premium makes a huge difference with performance especially in a vehicle with an engine that runs a lot better or requires it per the timing or higher compression ratio. Now, it is absolutely a waste of money to run premium in a car or truck that's not tuned for it or doesn't require it.

In the end, it's my money and my business. I have and do invest a lot of money in some great annuity funds so I know what I have to "burn" on premium gasoline in my rides.   

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I would love to see a break down of Premium Fuel auto sales versus regular fuel auto sales. Would be interesting to see the ratio.

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2 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

In the end, it's my money and my business. I have and do invest a lot of money in some great annuity funds so I know what I have to "burn" on premium gasoline in my rides.   

Amen brother!

 

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42 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

Reality is complex.  Everyone’s use case is different.  I fill up when it’s down to 1/4 or 1/8th of a tank. Maybe every 2 to 2 1/2 weeks, more often in summer.  About $60 or so.   It is what it is. The Jeep is fine on 87. 

I do the 1/4 tank fill-up as well especially in the C5 being that it is a tall and narrow tank behind the driver and passenger. Usually better for the fuel pump even though most are pretty low in the tank, it's a peace of mind thing too.

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16 hours ago, dfelt said:

Yet they build the Corvette which proves they could make the ultimate performance in every product they sell if they wanted too. Must be a bean counter looking at 1/4 pennies of profit for them to not do it.

I mean... I get that but not everything can be 60-100k and 500-700hp.. 

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23 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

I mean... I get that but not everything can be 60-100k and 500-700hp.. 

Driving is a privilege earned. ;) 

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With a 15-gal 'cushion' in my tank, I run it down til the 'low fuel' light blazes for a day, then I fill it to the brim, every time.
Amounts to around $55 every week & a half.

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