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NG Impala Wagon?

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What's the possibility of this happening? Obviously GM sees a market for a wagon here in the US -- they're about to release the CTS Wagon and seemed to be seriously considering the G8 Wagon. Maybe they didn't think a Wagon would bode well with Pontiac's performance image (despite some of their other vehicles not fitting it well)? Could we see an Impala Maxx or Wagon variant? I don't see why not.

Then again, there's got to be some reason for why Chrysler is canceling the Magnum... and maybe GM looked into that. That's also possible.

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With the G8 wagon being canceled, I'd doubt we'd see a Impala wagon, if it's on Zeta or a stretched Epsilon II.

Not only that, but I don't think one was ever considered in the first place. Wagons are pretty much a novelty item in the United States anymore.

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I think the CTS Wagon will happen because of wagon's popularity here in Europe.

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Anddd case closed.

Will we see any GM full or mid-size wagon (I'd guess Malibu) in the near future?

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Less than Zero!!

The only reason the CTS wagon may happen is they want it for Europe to be taken as a real car for the European market. They love wagons over there.

We may see a limited number of CTS wagons here but the majortity will go to Europe if they are built.

There is little market in the US for Wagons and the Magnum proved that. Cross overs rule the market and that has not changed.

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I can't see any wagon coming from the next Impala or from Holden. If the Magnum couldn't break the perception of wagons 4R3 T3|-| $U(|< 1 \/\/4|\|T |\/|Y G4$ $U(|<1|\|G $UV!1!111 then I doubt anything can.

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Will we see any GM full or mid-size wagon (I'd guess Malibu) in the near future?

The only wagons I know of that are coming out of GM are:

  • NG Aura/Vectra wagon.
  • CTS wagon.
  • Saab Sportcombis.

All three will more than likely be sold in the U.S. market. Do you notice the one thing that they all have in common? :AH-HA_wink:

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They are all more primarily geared for the European market.

Exactly.

The primary reason is due to the growth of the European market. Want a wagon to turn a profit in the U.S.? Well, make sure it's primarily geared to the Old World market first to ensure that it will make money, regardless if anyone here buys it or not.

I would imagine that this logic played a role in why we do not get a G8 Sportwagon. There is some reason why GME doesn't want VE/Zeta on it's shores. I wonder why this could be? :scratchchin:

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Maybe the $4-5 gas world we're in now will cause everyone to wonder about wagons again.

GM's financial woes will probably keep that from happening.

Exactly.

The primary reason is due to the growth of the European market. Want a wagon to turn a profit in the U.S.? Well, make sure it's primarily geared to the Old World market first to ensure that it will make money, regardless if anyone here buys it or not.

I would imagine that this logic played a role in why we do not get a G8 Sportwagon. There is some reason why GME doesn't want VE/Zeta on it's shores. I wonder why this could be? :scratchchin:

The market for executive cars has been ceded to Audi, BMW, and Mercedes, so all non-premium volume brands have retreated that segment (E, what we know as mid/full-size) in Europe. Hence no more Scorpio, Carlton/Omega, Vel Satis, et al. Only Peugeot's 60x car and the Chrysler 300 remain. But Cadillac wants to go toe-to-toe, so we benefit.

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Zee-row

what are you basing that on?

I too think wagons are WAY overdue for a resrection.

The magnum failed to break the "momy-mobie"/"grampa-buckboard"

preception when gas was $2.25/gallon, HEMI-powered crew cab

Ram 3500s Subrbans were still flying off the shleves.

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Seemed like the Malibu Maxx did ok, but not great. Personally, I think we will see a return of the wagon - we've already been seeing the return of the hatch for a while now.

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I can't see any wagon coming from the next Impala or from Holden. If the Magnum couldn't break the perception of wagons 4R3 T3|-| $U(|< 1 \/\/4|\|T |\/|Y G4$ $U(|<1|\|G $UV!1!111 then I doubt anything can.

The Magnum was an hideous wagon. Sure, it had the RWD and V8... but the front was SUV-ugly, its cargo area was small, and the rear treatment was awkward to load. I looked at them many times and wondered how one would put a TV in the back without having to drive around with the goofy hatch way up in the air.

I like wagons, and would love to have a modern replacement for my '95 Caprice... with cylinder deactivation, more gears, or better yet... a hybrid.

I'm not holding my breath, though. I'm sure I'll have to buy a Mercedes.

Stephen

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There is just no market. Saying they are way over due will not just cut it. Show GM enough buyers and they will do it but you would be lucky to find many in the Chevy demographic.

Only higher end Euro cars are in any demnand and we just get the cumbs of what is left here.

IF you want to sell a wagon it has to be different from the traditional wagon like the PT or HHR.

To make it sell you need to make it cool and if you put two doors on it to make it cool no one in that market will buy.

The CTS will sell here but only in limited numbers and to people who would not be caught dead in a Chevy. Speaking of which I wonder how long till we see a CTS hearse?

With the few wagons that are offered here is is a white elephant in this country. It is not a one world market.

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The Magnum was an hideous wagon. Sure, it had the RWD and V8... but the front was SUV-ugly, its cargo area was small, and the rear treatment was awkward to load. I looked at them many times and wondered how one would put a TV in the back without having to drive around with the goofy hatch way up in the air.

I like wagons, and would love to have a modern replacement for my '95 Caprice... with cylinder deactivation, more gears, or better yet... a hybrid.

I'm not holding my breath, though. I'm sure I'll have to buy a Mercedes.

Everyone is entitled to their tastes. I felt the Mag made a bold statement. Was it aimed at the wine-and-cheese crowd, probably not.

And I'm honestly still not convinced the hybrid is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

There is just no market. Saying they are way over due will not just cut it. Show GM enough buyers and they will do it but you would be lucky to find many in the Chevy demographic.

Only higher end Euro cars are in any demand and we just get the crumbs of what is left here.

IF you want to sell a wagon it has to be different from the traditional wagon like the PT or HHR.

To make it sell you need to make it cool and if you put two doors on it to make it cool no one in that market will buy.

The CTS will sell here but only in limited numbers and to people who would not be caught dead in a Chevy. Speaking of which I wonder how long till we see a CTS hearse?

With the few wagons that are offered here is is a white elephant in this country. It is not a one world market.

Generally, I think it's because the market is currently so sparse, that it hurts those that are left, and the buyers interested in one.

Marketing and these gas price conditions help.

Look what marketing did to switch everyone over to minivans (taller capacity...besides wagons are for your dad!),

then SUVs (minivans are for soccer moms, these are so much cooler...plus they're more profitable for us!!!),

and now hybrids (we the people at Toyota and Honda corner this market, so you really need one...buy today!! Andohyeah, go environm....)

Gas prices pointed everyone back to cars.

Why couldn't the wagon market flourish again right about now?

There won't be a CTS hearse BTW, too small. Look to whatever occurs in the DTS or Lucerne's place whenever that replacement finally comes online. That would have been the place for a 300 to get run (since we have all these 300 limos).

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Everyone is entitled to their tastes. I felt the Mag made a bold statement. Was it aimed at the wine-and-cheese crowd, probably not.

And I'm honestly still not convinced the hybrid is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Generally, I think it's because the market is currently so sparse, that it hurts those that are left, and the buyers interested in one.

Marketing and these gas price conditions help.

Look what marketing did to switch everyone over to minivans (taller capacity...besides wagons are for your dad!),

then SUVs (minivans are for soccer moms, these are so much cooler...plus they're more profitable for us!!!),

and now hybrids (we the people at Toyota and Honda corner this market, so you really need one...buy today!! Andohyeah, go environm....)

Gas prices pointed everyone back to cars.

Why couldn't the wagon market flourish again right about now?

There won't be a CTS hearse BTW, too small. Look to whatever occurs in the DTS or Lucerne's place whenever that replacement finally comes online. That would have been the place for a 300 to get run (since we have all these 300 limos).

The CTS hearse was a joke!!! :AH-HA_wink: But they can and would be lengthened just as the DTS already is.

Wagons are just not cool and are as well liked in this country. It is a image thing. Europe loved them and Japan is just into the square box concept anymore.

What the Americans like is they can have a fairly compact vehicle with a short nose that is easy to drive and it tall enough to carry large objects. A wagon has a longer nose and is not usally tall enough to carry large objects, long yeas but not large.

The new Ford will be worth watching as it is a lttle wagon and a lot of Minivan. It is kind of a high roof wagon. If it sells well the others will be watching.

But as it is there is no Kingswood estate in the future nor do I see any traditional wagon in the future out side the CTS or a updated HHR.

There is a new market for something that gets good mileage but will carry a hot water heater size box.

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Everyone is entitled to their tastes. I felt the Mag made a bold statement. Was it aimed at the wine-and-cheese crowd, probably not.

It was a bold statement, but in the end, a wagon is about functionality, not taste. For it's size and weight, the Magnum is not a functional wagon, but is a fashion niche... and that's why it is gone.

IMHO, you're right... not aimed at the wine-and-cheese... but I feel it was aimed squarely at Ma and Pa Pickup/SUV driver... who looked at the cargo capacity and laughed.

Stephen

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What the Americans like is they can have a fairly compact vehicle with a short nose that is easy to drive and it tall enough to carry large objects. A wagon has a longer nose and is not usally tall enough to carry large objects, long yeas but not large.

Hasn't anyone ever thought to tip large objects onto their side?!? The nice thing about a wagon, is that the roof acts as a shelf... you can put items inside the car... and put larger items on the roof. Putting things on the roof of many SUVs is a PITA, unless you are 9 foot tall.

In my experience, when loading vehicles, you can only go so high. Most people's "stuff" is far to delicate to stack 4 boxes high. You need floor space, not roof space.

Granted, I have a long wagon... but GM has a long history of producing nice wagons of all sizes. Wagons tend to be more aerodynamic, lighter, better on gas, are easier to get into, and tip over less than SUVs.

I also don't see where Americans (outside of the large cities) want a fairly compact vehicle. They wanted Tahoes, Suburbans and Expeditions until a couple months ago when it was obvious that gas prices where here to stay.

The new Ford will be worth watching as it is a lttle wagon and a lot of Minivan. It is kind of a high roof wagon. If it sells well the others will be watching.

Agreed... that looks interesting. Its a wagon from the 1950s.

But as it is there is no Kingswood estate in the future nor do I see any traditional wagon in the future out side the CTS or a updated HHR.

There is a new market for something that gets good mileage but will carry a hot water heater size box.

Yeah, like a V6 G8 Sportwagon.

I realize there is no Kingswood coming... hence I bought my Caprice for a song. Things like the HHR and CTS-W are useless for me. They still have to pass the "does the driver fit" test... and fail.

Stephen

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Yours wil be way cooler than any wagon that will ever be made in 2008

as they have a spine i.e. frame. What good is a utilitarian vehicle

when it's bolted together into one big lump... big, load carrying vehicles

are meant to have a body on frame construction.

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