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From CAR Magazine - Opel cans Calibra Mk2

In short, Lutz proposed the idea as a way to get more utilization out of the Alpha platform, but GME nixed it based on Europe's upcoming CO2 regulations. That is, a rear-drive car is naturally less efficient than a comparable front-driver, and hence produces more CO2 pollution - it's basically Europe's version of CAFE regs. Lutz also noted that the Alpha-based small Caddy would be imported to Europe regardless when it appears.

The comments under the article basically seem to rag on Lutz for trying to push an "inefficient" product on Europeans - I fail to see how it's any more wasteful than the supremely overweight BMW 1-series, personally.

I'm sure PCS can regale us with tales of the boardroom meetings behind this story...

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In short, Lutz proposed the idea as a way to get more utilization out of the Alpha platform, but GME nixed it based on Europe's upcoming CO2 regulations. That is, a rear-drive car is naturally less efficient than a comparable front-driver, and hence produces more CO2 pollution - it's basically Europe's version of CAFE regs.

:rolleyes::bs::duh::banghead::butthead:

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:rolleyes::bs::duh::banghead::butthead:

Note that I'm not making that assertion; just explaining what the rationale behind their decision seems to be.

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A report on the limits the European Parliament voted in can be found here. For comparison purposes here are some of the CO2 emissions of some Audi models sold in Europe today (from www.audi.pt):

1. Audi A3 1.9TDI (105hp): 129g/Km

2. Audi A3 3.2V6: 254g/Km

3. Audi A8 3.0TDI Quattro: 227g/Km

4. Audi A8 4.2TDI Quattro: 249g/Km

5. Audi A8 6.0Quattro: 350g/Km

I'm sure the Industry is lobbying hard for these decisions to be delayed, but they are definitely facing a big challenge with both this and the CAFE regulations.

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That's too bad.....

Oh yeah, I'm sure Holden will be devastated, after all Opel (or GME or whatever they're calling themselves) has been so helpful in the past and lets face it, they know better than all of us. Just ask them.

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Ridiculous. An Alpha Calibra would have been a sweet Opel, and that is sooo much BS about FWD being less polluting than RWD... what the hell are they talking about? This would have been a car to elevate Opel from mass market to BMW 1-Series fighter in the class... I guess GME is content to play at and well below VW in the market perception game.

A 5-door Zeta sedan with Maxx-like proportions and a luxury interior, diesel and 3.6L engines would have been a sweet rangetopper for Opel, as well... but I guess GME management knows the brand has nowhere near the cache to sell a luxury car.

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Oh yeah, I'm sure Holden will be devastated, after all Opel (or GME or whatever they're calling themselves) has been so helpful in the past and lets face it, they know better than all of us. Just ask them.

I'm not sure why you're directing that at my post, I was serious. It would have been a sweet car.

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I'm not sure why you're directing that at my post, I was serious. It would have been a sweet car.

Sorry mate, I misunderstood your post. No doubt an Opel version of Alpha would have been a good car and I would like to see rwd at Opel again but I guess that's not going to happen anytime soon.

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Note that I'm not making that assertion; just explaining what the rationale behind their decision seems to be.

I know, I know. My parade of smileys wasn't directed at you; it's more for those inside GM (and anywhere else) that still insist that rear-drive cars are inherently less efficient or more polluting, just because they're rear-drive. Every time I hear this half-assed, baseless excuse, a little bit of my patience dies.

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A report on the limits the European Parliament voted in can be found here. For comparison purposes here are some of the CO2 emissions of some Audi models sold in Europe today (from www.audi.pt):

1. Audi A3 1.9TDI (105hp): 129g/Km

2. Audi A3 3.2V6: 254g/Km

3. Audi A8 3.0TDI Quattro: 227g/Km

4. Audi A8 4.2TDI Quattro: 249g/Km

5. Audi A8 6.0Quattro: 350g/Km

I'm sure the Industry is lobbying hard for these decisions to be delayed, but they are definitely facing a big challenge with both this and the CAFE regulations.

I wonder what their strategy might be for meeting these standards - other than the obvious, jumping on the electric car bandwagon?

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PCS, you need to do something about this toot sweet, or I will NOT marry you like you asked!

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You know what the one of car sold by GME the gets really good reviews from the auto rags on that side of the pond is?

07.vauxhall.hdv.r8.act.f34.500.jpg

:ohyeah:

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A 5-door Zeta sedan with Maxx-like proportions and a luxury interior, diesel and 3.6L engines would have been a sweet rangetopper for Opel, as well... but I guess GME management knows the brand has nowhere near the cache to sell a luxury car.

It's damn shame, too. :nono:

opel_insignia_fs2.jpg

At least use the design on something, GME. I thought that the Insignia was such a gorgeously designed car, so bold and proud to wear the bolt-badge. It would be great to have seen it here as a Saturn flagship.

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You know what the one of car sold by GME the gets really good reviews from the auto rags on that side of the pond is?

07.vauxhall.hdv.r8.act.f34.500.jpg

:ohyeah:

That got through before CPF said no more, after the new CO2 rules go into effect that car will no longer exist in the UK. :ohyeah:

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That got through before CPF said no more, after the new CO2 rules go into effect that car will no longer exist in the UK. :ohyeah:

So CPF intends to fight the new legislation with crappy, small FWD cars...

Just as GME starts to show some promise, they go and regress to the mid 90's again. Of course, the regulations f*ck every car enthusiast over and I feel doubly sorry for Europeans now. Hopefully the US isn't dumb enough to start anything like this.

I'm sure the industry as a whole is going to regress on performance in the near term.

Oh well, that's fine. Holden, the middle east and GMNA can have all the RWD fun. GME can rot in it's own mess while the REAL premium automakers (BMW, VW, MB, etc.) charge ahead to meet the regulations with actual solutions.

Apparently the "greenies" are now winning the war against car enthusiasts on 2 continents now.

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And just recently announced... BMW plans to stop selling RWD cars in Europe too because of new CO2 rules.

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And now more breaking news: BMW has just announced they have changed their plans and will now continue to sell RWD cars in Europe. In their statement, BMW said, "Despite other companies, such as GME, cutting all RWD offerings, we will continue to offer RWD vehicles to our customers, because we don't suck."

What importance is this to us? GME sucks.

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That got through before CPF said no more, after the new CO2 rules go into effect that car will no longer exist in the UK. :ohyeah:

Well, since that car is produced in the same plant as the G8, that means potentially more G8s in the US :ohyeah:

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And just recently announced... BMW plans to stop selling RWD cars in Europe too because of new CO2 rules.

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And now more breaking news: BMW has just announced they have changed their plans and will now continue to sell RWD cars in Europe. In their statement, BMW said, "Despite other companies, such as GME, cutting all RWD offerings, we will continue to offer RWD vehicles to our customers, because we don't suck."

What importance is this to us? GME sucks.

Funny and yet so true.

See, at BMW, they are doing things like producing cars that can run on Hydrogen and you can buy them NOW (even if it's the 7-series at the moment), and they'll have Hybrids too I think.

At Mercedes they're making a 4-bangers that debuts in the S-Class that makes 250+ hp and gets 40+mpg

Yet they are all RWD :scratchchin:

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Well, since that car is produced in the same plant as the G8, that means potentially more G8s in the US :ohyeah:

Better hurry, rumor has it only two model years of the G8, before CAFE cuts it off at the knees. :P

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Better hurry, rumor has it only two model years of the G8, before CAFE cuts it off at the knees. :P

The G8 is not built here, which means it doesn't contribute to CAFE, no?

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The G8 is not built here, which means it doesn't contribute to CAFE, no?

It will go as a new FWD model is installed at Pontiac, if Pontiac survives that is. This new model will help GM with CAFE in the long run. Besides which would you rather have if you had to choose, a G8 or a Camaro? Tough choice I know, but some must die so others can live. :yes:

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