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be sure to take a moment today and reflect on what occured on the beaches of normandy today 64 yrs ago, if not for those brave souls we may not enjoy the things we do today. dont just think about the allied sacrifices, the guys on the other side fought for what they believed as well and showed just as much valor.

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http://www.normandie44lamemoire.com/versio...metieresus.html

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Ahh D-Day...

Thank you for posting this.

"When a Soldier gets to Heaven,

To St. Peter He will Tell,

One more Soldier reporting Sir!

I have served my time In Hell."

There are 2 spots i have cried at in my life one was there in Normandy the Other as at The Wall in DC. A picture cant describe the overwhelming emotion that you feel when you see endless names/Graves.

What you said was 100% true, Just Because their the Enemy doesn't mean there not human. They have beliefs and family too.

When you see a number like the Holocaust number 6 million jews. 6,000,000 its just a number on paper its impossible to visualize how many that realy is. for example

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Thats 1008 periods. thats .0186% of 6 million. multiply this by 5952 to get 6 million periods. you can't logically think of it.

As a normal citizen everyone should at least thank and honor our soldiers even if your against the cause they still are fighting for you.

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Not to take away from the solemn intent of this thread, which it goes without saying is a just rememberance, but I am compelled:

>>"...Holocaust number 6 million jews..."<<

the generally accepted figure is 11 million killed by the Nazis in the name of ethnic cleansing- we should be far and away from singling only the jews out- esp in this age of overwrought political correctness. Why are the other 5 million murdered commonly excluded- to what end ?

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Unfortunately, we will never know just how many were killed because of the lack of records, because the official "Holocaust" period is disputed (example: some count the beginning of the pogroms in the late 1930's as the beginning of the Holocaust, while others regard only the full blown concentration camp era (1940ish-1945) as being this period) and, like balthazar said, because everybody sweeps the deaths of the Gypsies, Roma, homosexuals, handicapped, and all the other "undesirables" under the rug.

What little documentation is left varies greatly in the numbers provided. For example:

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This is a document from the International Red Cross released last year that lists the official combined death toll of all the Nazi concentration camps at only 271,307. Quite a discrepancy from six million.

ALSO:

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A plaque at the Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration camp, now a museum, used to claim that it exterminated over four million people. In 1990, the original plaque was replaced with a new one that states the camp exterminated only 1.5 million. So even though the figure was quite literally set in stone, it was simply replaced by another stone. 2.5 million less people is also quite a discrepancy. We will never ever truly know how many were killed. And, sorry to say, the Holocaust stories we all learned in history class as children are full of giant holes.

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History is always written by the victors, however even if only one person died in a war, it is one to many! My thoughts and prayers for all who died in any war.

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Without getting into the specifics of the numbers- there is still an unsettling tendancy to exclude all the non-jews when talking about Holocaust victims- whatever their percentage was. That's just not right and I'm still (somewhat) surprised it continues..

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Without getting into the specifics of the numbers- there is still an unsettling tendancy to exclude all the non-jews when talking about Holocaust victims- whatever their percentage was. That's just not right and I'm still (somewhat) surprised it continues..

Maybe it's because all of the other targeted groups moved on with their lives while the Jews are still riding it till the wheels fall off and milking every last dime out of it that they can. The squeaky wheel gets the oil, y'know? Here we are, sixty years later, and the persecution of the Jews (and only the Jews) is still fresh on everybody's mind, millions upon millions of dollars have been paid out in "reparations" to Jewish (and only Jewish) Holocaust survivors and their families and dozens of movies have been made about Jewish (and only Jewish) people's experiences in Nazi concentration camps, but we almost never hear about the other victimized groups of the Holocaust, or any similar atrocities like the Armenian genocide, the Great Purges of Stalinist Russia, the killing fields of Cambodia, Bosnia, Rwanda, or any other major genocide that's occurred in the last hundred years with the exception of occasional coverage of Darfur, Sudan when some jerkoff celebrity pretends to care about it to get their face on television. Funny, isn't it?

I agree one hundred percent with you that the spotlight should be shared equally between all targeted groups because they are all equally important as human beings.

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My prayer go to all of those who lost someone in war....

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for those that died that day. bless them.

on the other hand I saw an interview with buchanan about his book "churchill, hitler and the unnecessary war". very interesting research he brought up about it.

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Sorry, Im not being disrespectful to the other 5 million. Its just i was trying to prove a point that no matter what the number you cant grasp the physical number of people in your head. It is sad that we will never know the true numbers. Whats even worse is that Genocide still goes on today.

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I did not mean to insinuate YOU were being disrespectful, capriceman: this is the default associative number that the media bandies about whenever the Holocaust is mentioned. I just feel it's appropriate to point out the disparity in the hopes it will someday change. You point RE the quantity of 6 million is vaild & yes; very hard to grasp.

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