Random Thoughts Thread

[G. David Felt]

5 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

You need to learn about life before you could lecture me on what is real and what is fake.  You are still a child if you think that religions are fake.  Religions have a purpose is a clue to what Im eluding to. 

 

I understand you...

But like I had replied to you a while ago.

a 2000 year old religion like the Greek Orthodox religion is NOT to be bunched up with this bullshyte.

Its fine if you do not believe. 

But not all religions are fake.  And I know you understand this difference well. 

Let's put some reality behind this,

1) I cannot prove to you that Religion if Fake

2) You cannot prove to me that Religion is Real

3) You can agree or not, but Religion when you study history for thousands of years has been used to manipulate and control populations.

As far as anyone knows, much like Star Trek Into Darkness (2013) - IMDb where the movie starts off with the crew on a planet that is about to be destroyed by a volcano and the ignorant life forms are worshiping a book, much like a bible, they are saved by Spock and the Enterprise takes off and leaves, the local life forms that look like humans stop worshiping the bible and worship the Enterprise.

For all we know, 3,000 years ago an intelligent life form came to this planet, and we were still groveling in the dirt and saw them as Gods, Jehovah, Yahweh, God, Allah, name it what you will but religion has been used to direct / control humanity. 

Religion does bring some good things to society for those that need the guidance of good versus evil, right versus wrong. Purpose, etc. Not all people can enlighten themselves through education and deductive reasoning to come to conclusions about various topics and as such need the guidance that organized religion brings. Sadly, there are those that are unhinged and tends to go off rails.

I grew up in a very religious family and my parents planned for me to become an elder. Part of becoming an elder is deep, deep study of the history, bible, events, etc. and as such after 5 years, I came to my own conclusion that God does not exist to me, but there could be other life forms that are higher educated and more advanced than humanity and as such, for those that need religion, it is there good or bad, it is there for those that need something of this type of organization.

Wishing you and everyone a goodnight.

[G. David Felt]

@oldshurst442 Idiot47 just became plan Stupid47.

Trump instructs Pentagon to 'immediately' start testing US nuclear weapons

[G. David Felt]

Totally agree with what Rivian is doing, they have to watch their costs as the scale the low end EVs.

This is the severance package Rivian is offering to more than 600 employees who were laid off

[oldshurst442]

2 hours ago, G. David Felt said:

Religion does bring some good things to society for those that need the guidance of good versus evil, right versus wrong. Purpose, etc. Not all people can enlighten themselves through education and deductive reasoning to come to conclusions about various topics and as such need the guidance that organized religion brings. Sadly, there are those that are unhinged and tends to go off rails.

That in bolded parts.  Has nothing to do with religion.  Which is what I say.  Snake oil salesmen use religion to do their dirty deeds.  Nothing to do with religion...   

For all we know, Jesus was real and his preachings were real.  Or not.  But do NOT confuse RELIGION with the actions of bad people.   Jesus whether real or not, the preaching were real and were of ONLY good things.  

2 hours ago, G. David Felt said:

Religion does bring some good things to society for those that need the guidance of good versus evil, right versus wrong. Purpose, etc. Not all people can enlighten themselves through education and deductive reasoning to come to conclusions about various topics and as such need the guidance that organized religion brings.

 

https://www.arabnews.com/node/1831267/amp

 

ATHENS: One of the consequences of the fall of Constantinople in 1453 was the biggest brain drain in early European history. Greek intellectuals left the Byzantine Empire in droves, with many settling permanently in Italy, bringing with them their vast knowledge and precious collections of manuscripts.

Their presence contributed significantly to the rediscovery of classical Greek literature and philosophy, which they reinforced through teaching, translations and publications. The European Renaissance owes a great debt to them. 

In the process, Venice became the center of the Greek intelligentsia and mercantile class, which organized themselves into a strong community.

By contrast, the former lands of the Eastern Empire entered a darker age, which could have obliterated Greek culture altogether were it not for the Orthodox Church, preserving the Greek language through its liturgical texts and ceremonies and local autonomy institutions, safeguard the feeling of belonging to a community.

 

One man who helped rescue the Greeks from intellectual oblivion was Kyrillos Loukaris, a patriarch of Constantinople in the early 17th century. Under the influence of Reformation ideas, Loukaris sought to educate Greek clerics to defend against the aggressive proselytism of the Catholic Church. He also established a printing press and an academy in Constantinople.

From the late 17th century onward, numerous schools opened across the southern Balkans, almost all of them teaching courses in the Greek language. Many of the most influential schools were established in major centers of Hellenism: Smyrna, Ayvalik and Chios.

Chios hosted a library containing some 12,000 volumes. Ayvalik, a rich city with an exclusively Greek population numbering 30,000, had a modern school with more than 300 students, managed by a liberal clergyman named Benjamin of Lesbos.

2 hours ago, G. David Felt said:

I grew up in a very religious family and my parents planned for me to become an elder. Part of becoming an elder is deep, deep study of the history, bible, events, etc. and as such after 5 years, I came to my own conclusion that God does not exist to me, but there could be other life forms that are higher educated and more advanced than humanity and as such, for those that need religion, it is there good or bad, it is there for those that need something of this type of organization.

 

God may or may not exist. I agree.  

2 hours ago, G. David Felt said:

1) I cannot prove to you that Religion if Fake

2) You cannot prove to me that Religion is Real

3) You can agree or not, but Religion when you study history for thousands of years has been used to manipulate and control populations.

#1 and #2 I agree.  And I am not here to convert anybody. 

But #3 is not religion that tells people to control and manipulate.  People USE religion as an excuse to control and manipulate. 

You have to separate the two...

The Greek Orthodox church never in history was ever INVOLVED to control people.  The religion itself is as peaceful as the founders. Which were the ORIGINAL followers, the apostles, of Jesus Christ himself. Directly from Jesus. 

On TOP of all that, and what I keep on saying is that never was a bad man using the Greek orthodox religion as as weapon to control and manipulate people.  There were priests of the Greek Orthodox faith that were sexual predators, but those priests were not really priests, they were in fact sexual predators DISGUISED as priests to sexually assault young boys. 

What you and others seem to confuse and blend in with are the bad people that USE the teachings of Christ to LURE sheeple to do bad things and/or manipulate sheeple.

The religion itself does NOT preach such bad things.

 

I do not know about you, but I do NOT read anything relating to raping young boys in that script.

I do NOT read to steal, lie and commit adultery in those 10 items there.  

Yes...there are some nice things in religion and it teaches humans to choose the right path.  Notice I am NOT using 'godly' terms such as choosing the righteous path...

And the way ALL of you are choosing to intertwine religion with snake oil salesmen tell me ALL there is to know about where your thought processes are. 

And its fine.  

Just understand that there IS a difference between religion and how bad people choose to manipulate others USING religion.  

PS: When practising religion as an educated adult, the issue is less of asking if God exists or not. 

The IMPORTANCE of religion is the MESSAGE that God teaches that takes precedence over whether he exists or not. 

Now...I fully understand one does NOT need religion to be guided to be a decent human being.  

But...mega christianity, evangelicalism and all that garbage are NOT legit religions.  They are cults.  The Greek Orthodox religion is NOT a cult...  

Learn the damned difference... 

[A Horse With No Name]

16 hours ago, trinacriabob said:

That coupe is definitely unique.

The inline 6 would be really rare on the Impala/Caprice.  I've never seen one IRL, let alone one listed anywhere for sale.

A few more basic Malibus might have been equipped with the 6, and sort of stripped down, as loss leaders to bring people into the showroom.  The loss leaders were sort of the runts of the litter.  I'm guessing most people stepped up to a slightly nicer equipped unit, but some did stick to their budgets and drove off with the loss leaders.

Inline 6s are definitely unique (sounding) when you turn the key and feather the pedal to hear its sounds.

Inline 6 is just cool from an engenering standpoint, so many B body midsized ,MOPARS from the muscle car era came with 383, 440, 426 Hemi, I would love a slant six B body just for the being different factor. 

This surfer girl is badass!

The world gets dumber by the minute...

 

7 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

That in bolded parts.  Has nothing to do with religion.  Which is what I say.  Snake oil salesmen use religion to do their dirty deeds.  Nothing to do with religion...   

For all we know, Jesus was real and his preachings were real.  Or not.  But do NOT confuse RELIGION with the actions of bad people.   Jesus whether real or not, the preaching were real and were of ONLY good things.  

 

https://www.arabnews.com/node/1831267/amp

 

ATHENS: One of the consequences of the fall of Constantinople in 1453 was the biggest brain drain in early European history. Greek intellectuals left the Byzantine Empire in droves, with many settling permanently in Italy, bringing with them their vast knowledge and precious collections of manuscripts.

Their presence contributed significantly to the rediscovery of classical Greek literature and philosophy, which they reinforced through teaching, translations and publications. The European Renaissance owes a great debt to them. 

In the process, Venice became the center of the Greek intelligentsia and mercantile class, which organized themselves into a strong community.

By contrast, the former lands of the Eastern Empire entered a darker age, which could have obliterated Greek culture altogether were it not for the Orthodox Church, preserving the Greek language through its liturgical texts and ceremonies and local autonomy institutions, safeguard the feeling of belonging to a community.

 

One man who helped rescue the Greeks from intellectual oblivion was Kyrillos Loukaris, a patriarch of Constantinople in the early 17th century. Under the influence of Reformation ideas, Loukaris sought to educate Greek clerics to defend against the aggressive proselytism of the Catholic Church. He also established a printing press and an academy in Constantinople.

From the late 17th century onward, numerous schools opened across the southern Balkans, almost all of them teaching courses in the Greek language. Many of the most influential schools were established in major centers of Hellenism: Smyrna, Ayvalik and Chios.

Chios hosted a library containing some 12,000 volumes. Ayvalik, a rich city with an exclusively Greek population numbering 30,000, had a modern school with more than 300 students, managed by a liberal clergyman named Benjamin of Lesbos.

 

God may or may not exist. I agree.  

#1 and #2 I agree.  And I am not here to convert anybody. 

But #3 is not religion that tells people to control and manipulate.  People USE religion as an excuse to control and manipulate. 

You have to separate the two...

The Greek Orthodox church never in history was ever INVOLVED to control people.  The religion itself is as peaceful as the founders. Which were the ORIGINAL followers, the apostles, of Jesus Christ himself. Directly from Jesus. 

On TOP of all that, and what I keep on saying is that never was a bad man using the Greek orthodox religion as as weapon to control and manipulate people.  There were priests of the Greek Orthodox faith that were sexual predators, but those priests were not really priests, they were in fact sexual predators DISGUISED as priests to sexually assault young boys. 

What you and others seem to confuse and blend in with are the bad people that USE the teachings of Christ to LURE sheeple to do bad things and/or manipulate sheeple.

The religion itself does NOT preach such bad things.

 

I do not know about you, but I do NOT read anything relating to raping young boys in that script.

I do NOT read to steal, lie and commit adultery in those 10 items there.  

Yes...there are some nice things in religion and it teaches humans to choose the right path.  Notice I am NOT using 'godly' terms such as choosing the righteous path...

And the way ALL of you are choosing to intertwine religion with snake oil salesmen tell me ALL there is to know about where your thought processes are. 

And its fine.  

Just understand that there IS a difference between religion and how bad people choose to manipulate others USING religion.  

PS: When practising religion as an educated adult, the issue is less of asking if God exists or not. 

The IMPORTANCE of religion is the MESSAGE that God teaches that takes precedence over whether he exists or not. 

Now...I fully understand one does NOT need religion to be guided to be a decent human being.  

But...mega christianity, evangelicalism and all that garbage are NOT legit religions.  They are cults.  The Greek Orthodox religion is NOT a cult...  

Learn the damned difference... 

Regardless of true or false, would the founders of Christianity recognize its 20th century form of Christianity as Christian? In the case of Orthodoxy yes, in the case of American evangelicalism, I would say no....they would not. 

9 hours ago, G. David Felt said:

@oldshurst442 Idiot47 just became plan Stupid47.

Trump instructs Pentagon to 'immediately' start testing US nuclear weapons

Can we go from dumber by the minute to dumber by the second...?

[A Horse With No Name]

 

The drama continues

 

[A Horse With No Name]

 

[G. David Felt]

14 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

That in bolded parts.  Has nothing to do with religion.  Which is what I say.  Snake oil salesmen use religion to do their dirty deeds.  Nothing to do with religion...   

For all we know, Jesus was real and his preachings were real.  Or not.  But do NOT confuse RELIGION with the actions of bad people.   Jesus whether real or not, the preaching were real and were of ONLY good things.  

 

https://www.arabnews.com/node/1831267/amp

 

ATHENS: One of the consequences of the fall of Constantinople in 1453 was the biggest brain drain in early European history. Greek intellectuals left the Byzantine Empire in droves, with many settling permanently in Italy, bringing with them their vast knowledge and precious collections of manuscripts.

Their presence contributed significantly to the rediscovery of classical Greek literature and philosophy, which they reinforced through teaching, translations and publications. The European Renaissance owes a great debt to them. 

In the process, Venice became the center of the Greek intelligentsia and mercantile class, which organized themselves into a strong community.

By contrast, the former lands of the Eastern Empire entered a darker age, which could have obliterated Greek culture altogether were it not for the Orthodox Church, preserving the Greek language through its liturgical texts and ceremonies and local autonomy institutions, safeguard the feeling of belonging to a community.

 

One man who helped rescue the Greeks from intellectual oblivion was Kyrillos Loukaris, a patriarch of Constantinople in the early 17th century. Under the influence of Reformation ideas, Loukaris sought to educate Greek clerics to defend against the aggressive proselytism of the Catholic Church. He also established a printing press and an academy in Constantinople.

From the late 17th century onward, numerous schools opened across the southern Balkans, almost all of them teaching courses in the Greek language. Many of the most influential schools were established in major centers of Hellenism: Smyrna, Ayvalik and Chios.

Chios hosted a library containing some 12,000 volumes. Ayvalik, a rich city with an exclusively Greek population numbering 30,000, had a modern school with more than 300 students, managed by a liberal clergyman named Benjamin of Lesbos.

 

God may or may not exist. I agree.  

#1 and #2 I agree.  And I am not here to convert anybody. 

But #3 is not religion that tells people to control and manipulate.  People USE religion as an excuse to control and manipulate. 

You have to separate the two...

The Greek Orthodox church never in history was ever INVOLVED to control people.  The religion itself is as peaceful as the founders. Which were the ORIGINAL followers, the apostles, of Jesus Christ himself. Directly from Jesus. 

On TOP of all that, and what I keep on saying is that never was a bad man using the Greek orthodox religion as as weapon to control and manipulate people.  There were priests of the Greek Orthodox faith that were sexual predators, but those priests were not really priests, they were in fact sexual predators DISGUISED as priests to sexually assault young boys. 

What you and others seem to confuse and blend in with are the bad people that USE the teachings of Christ to LURE sheeple to do bad things and/or manipulate sheeple.

The religion itself does NOT preach such bad things.

 

I do not know about you, but I do NOT read anything relating to raping young boys in that script.

I do NOT read to steal, lie and commit adultery in those 10 items there.  

Yes...there are some nice things in religion and it teaches humans to choose the right path.  Notice I am NOT using 'godly' terms such as choosing the righteous path...

And the way ALL of you are choosing to intertwine religion with snake oil salesmen tell me ALL there is to know about where your thought processes are. 

And its fine.  

Just understand that there IS a difference between religion and how bad people choose to manipulate others USING religion.  

PS: When practising religion as an educated adult, the issue is less of asking if God exists or not. 

The IMPORTANCE of religion is the MESSAGE that God teaches that takes precedence over whether he exists or not. 

Now...I fully understand one does NOT need religion to be guided to be a decent human being.  

But...mega christianity, evangelicalism and all that garbage are NOT legit religions.  They are cults.  The Greek Orthodox religion is NOT a cult...  

Learn the damned difference... 

Solid true point, the bible does not teach many of the things that humans use it to do to other humans.

[trinacriabob]

The place I have right now for a short term lease has a walk-in shower.  That is, it takes up the footprint that a bathtub would.  I like this setup a lot more 

You really only need a bathtub if you've got at least 3 bathrooms.

I was thinking that this walk-in shower setup is much more conducive to having sex.

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Did I just say that?

[G. David Felt]

Amazing how Corrupt Idiot47 fascist regime has become and is getting worse. Accountability is lacking in all aspects of the Idiot47 family.

Anger as Trump family acquires a new racket

[G. David Felt]

WOW, Ford is leading the world in recalls due to safety issues.

Ford’s ‘Snowflake’ Recall Proves Even Its Glass Can’t Handle Criticism

Then we also have this one too for parts flying off Fords.

Ford Recalls Another 175,000 Trucks And SUVs For Parts That Could Fly Off While Driving

Why would anyone want to buy such a problem product. Trucks, SUVs, Vans, from entry level to high end, Ford is recalling everything lately.

 

Interesting the reaction to Waymo coming to Seattle and yet these drivers are clueless to their own failures in the service and quality to their rides.

'Hell no, Waymo': Seattle rideshare drivers, union advocates rally against driverless taxi service | king5.com

 

Top 1% need to pay fair tax, end of story!!! Amazing how much better America would be if they paid their fair share.

I Asked ChatGPT What Would Happen If Billionaires Paid Taxes at the Same Rate as the Working Class

Just saw this update on the Beef War Idiot47 has started by bailing out his billionaire friends who started farms that are failing in Argentina by buying their beef for the U.S. market. Problem is that they have Hoof and Mouth disease that we do not want here in the U.S. 

Even ranchers here are now regretting their choice in Idiot47 and his MAGA first approach.

Yet with that, we are at beef prices not seen since the 1980's. NOT GOOD!

Farm-state Republicans finally reach their breaking point

 

[surreal1272]

3 hours ago, G. David Felt said:

Solid true point, the bible does not teach many of the things that humans use it to do to other humans.

Fun fact. No one, and I mean no one, thinks their religion is a cult. They just exhibit “cult like” behaviors. 

[oldshurst442]

Fun fact...

american existence such as the american dream which leads to american exceptionalism is also a cult.

At least some americans, about half the population, could at least recognize cult behaviours...if nothing else in this world.  

[surreal1272]

4 hours ago, G. David Felt said:

Solid true point, the bible does not teach many of the things that humans use it to do to other humans.

Except for MOST of the old testament, sure, none of those things lol. The old testament contains more murder, rape, and death than many of the books and shows that evangelical freaks want to ban. It is pure irony at its finest. So, sure, Jesus taught love but to say that the bible does not somehow include all the bad stuff is laughable. 

[G. David Felt]

Sad, More BS Delayed products due to Idiot47 Tariff war that gains America NOTHING!

Affordable Kia EV4 Sedan 'Delayed Until Further Notice' In The U.S.

Hyundai showed off a cool Ioniq 9 Off-Road concept at SEMA which has been stated to be near production ready, but I doubt the U.S. will see it. Probably Canada and Mexico will get the newest EV tech over America Stupidity.

Hyundai Set to Go BigTime with IONIQ 9 Off-Road SUV Concept at 2025 SEMA Show - Hyundai Newsroom

[A Horse With No Name]

16 hours ago, trinacriabob said:

The place I have right now for a short term lease has a walk-in shower.  That is, it takes up the footprint that a bathtub would.  I like this setup a lot more 

You really only need a bathtub if you've got at least 3 bathrooms.

I was thinking that this walk-in shower setup is much more conducive to having sex.

.

.

.

.

Did I just say that?

Yes they are!

13 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

Except for MOST of the old testament, sure, none of those things lol. The old testament contains more murder, rape, and death than many of the books and shows that evangelical freaks want to ban. It is pure irony at its finest. So, sure, Jesus taught love but to say that the bible does not somehow include all the bad stuff is laughable. 

It's amazing, yes

14 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

Fun fact...

american existence such as the american dream which leads to american exceptionalism is also a cult.

At least some americans, about half the population, could at least recognize cult behaviours...if nothing else in this world.  

I am American, I live to buy useless modern $h! that isn't built as well as the stuff we used to make here, and I also live for sports. I live an unexamined life where social media keeps me completely dependant on the opinions of others. I go to a mindless evangelical church...

New problem, AI Psychosis....

 

[G. David Felt]

Here the world is talking about how great the Kia EV3 is as a cheap wonderful auto and it gets World Car of the Year award, but due to Tariff Turd47 who is making the U.S. irrelevant to the world now, we no longer get the best technology, but Canada, Mexico and the rest of the world does.

https://insideevs.com/news/757076/kia-ev3-world-car-of-the-year/

[ccap41]

9 minutes ago, G. David Felt said:

Here the world is talking about how great the Kia EV3 is as a cheap wonderful auto and it gets World Car of the Year award, but due to Tariff Turd47 who is making the U.S. irrelevant to the world now, we no longer get the best technology, but Canada, Mexico and the rest of the world does.

https://insideevs.com/news/757076/kia-ev3-world-car-of-the-year/

You know it's going to go on sale in the US, right? Every major publication is saying it'll be here in early 2026. 

[G. David Felt]

33 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

You know it's going to go on sale in the US, right? Every major publication is saying it'll be here in early 2026. 

At this point, LA Auto show will be interesting as the Korean Trio is saying that many markets will get the Low end 3 to 9 complete family series of EVs except the U.S. where they are delayed indefinitely due to the Tariffs, so I would not trust any of the actual websites at this point as yes they were correct when everyone was saying it is coming back at the start of this year, but now Tariff Turd47 has killed off what companies are willing to ship into the U.S.

I would not be surprised that the EV3, 4 do not make it into the U.S. till after 2028 while everyone else gets it now.

Hyundai Motor Group Announces NVIDIA Blackwell AI Factory to Power Fleet of AI-Driven Mobility Solutions - Hyundai Newsroom

Seems nVidia is getting into AI bed with Everyone.

[G. David Felt]

Some cool looking products.

 

[G. David Felt]

WOW, Could you make an Auto any uglier, the world premier of the all new Toyota FJ cruiser shows just how terrible their style has become.

New Land Cruiser "FJ" Makes World Premiere | Toyota | Global Newsroom | Toyota Motor Corporation Official Global Website

Toyota seems to really be ripping off the Koreans now as the all new Corolla in ICE, Hybrid and Pure EV is almost a clone of the Kia EV4.

Japan Mobility Show 2025 TOYOTA / DAIHATSU Press Briefing | Toyota | Global Newsroom | Toyota Motor Corporation Official Global Website

Toyota Century which is their Uber luxury line and was exclusive to Japan is becoming a 3 auto family for Global Sales.

You can see the decades old Century sedans in the background and in the foreground they have the all new SUV, 2 door coupe and the Executive 4 door stretch sedan.

[ccap41]

48 minutes ago, G. David Felt said:

WOW, Could you make an Auto any uglier, the world premier of the all new Toyota FJ cruiser shows just how terrible their style has become.

New Land Cruiser "FJ" Makes World Premiere | Toyota | Global Newsroom | Toyota Motor Corporation Official Global Website

Really?!? I think it looks awesome for a small CUV. It looks like a modern, mini FJ Cruiser. Considering (nearly) everything else this size is a rounded mini bubble, I think this box looks pretty dang cool. 

[G. David Felt]

46 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Really?!? I think it looks awesome for a small CUV. It looks like a modern, mini FJ Cruiser. Considering (nearly) everything else this size is a rounded mini bubble, I think this box looks pretty dang cool. 

The rear look is like someone was taking a dump and pinched the load. Terrible Angle and the front compared to the size of the wheels look like a box with after thought to how it would look with wheels.

Agree to disagree on the style, terrible.

Even their off-road edition with snorkel barely looks better imho.

The solar panel on top while cool also looks a bit disconnected from this ICE SUV.

 

 

[ccap41]

24 minutes ago, G. David Felt said:

The rear look is like someone was taking a dump and pinched the load.

The rear is homage to the original FJ Cruiser. 

[surreal1272]

2 hours ago, G. David Felt said:

Toyota seems to really be ripping off the Koreans now as the all new Corolla in ICE, Hybrid and Pure EV is almost a clone of the Kia EV4.

Sure, if you’re drunk and forgot your glasses, then they look the same lol. 
 

Otherwise, if there was a Kia badge on that, you’d be praising the design. See the EV3 as an example.

Edited 2 hours ago by surreal1272

[G. David Felt]

1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

The rear is homage to the original FJ Cruiser. 

Yes some homage, but the sides of the original FJ did not squeeze in and look like a pinch cut off. This is a far better design imho.

1 hour ago, surreal1272 said:

Sure, if you’re drunk and forgot your glasses, then they look the same lol. 
 

Otherwise, if there was a Kia badge on that, you’d be praising the design. See the EV3 as an example.

Nope not even started as it is still work time here, but so much of the front end I see already on the various Kia EV models. Nothing new in this.

[surreal1272]

17 minutes ago, G. David Felt said:

Yes some homage, but the sides of the original FJ did not squeeze in and look like a pinch cut off. This is a far better design imho.

Nope not even started as it is still work time here, but so much of the front end I see already on the various Kia EV models. Nothing new in this.

As opposed to the “original” designs from Kia and Hyundai that have borrowed from others for decades now? Make it make sense outside of your obvious anti Toyota bias. 

Edited 9 minutes ago by surreal1272