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...and at last, Ford has a car that will match the Camaro SS. But according to MT's numbers, that's it-its basically a dead heat. Here's the link to the video, and a few of the pertinent stats... except for price. I'll dig for that one a but more:

0-60=4.1 seconds

Braking 60-0=102 feet

Lateral acceleration=1.00 G

MT Figure 8=24.2@0.82G

Curb Weight=3,781

"I know I'm a lot of feathers for that much chicken." -Kim Mitchell

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Look. I get that this car has a great-sounding engine that revs to the moon.

But if I fell for the sales pitch, bought one of those things, and then found out I couldn't outrun a Camaro that cost twenty grand LESS?

Full-on meltdown. Seriously.

What is Ford thinking????

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...and the worst part from a Ford fan's perspective is that while it does indeed match the SS performance-wise, that price single-handedly precludes it from being the segment king.

So... The Camaro SS is still the target for smaller pony cars.

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Soooooo.. From those numbers the random street racer who will do dangerous/stupid/(enter your own adjective here) the gt350 will out run it on a highway pull.

 

I think one of the buggest advantages the SS will have will actually be in the aftermarket though. The SS will have an endless supply of aftermarket parts like Camaros typically do(and Mustangs and Challengers) but I just have a feeling there won't be as much for a flat plane 5.2 like there will a pushrod 6.2 that is put into everything Chevy. So, while the GT350 will outrun it factory v factory there will probably be more an cheaper bolt ons to cover the power gap and there will then be plenty of SSs running around pulling on GT350s.

 

Here is the worst saying ever.. Wait till the GT500.. hahaha ;)

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The Shelby won't necessarily win in a standing start or highway pull because as the vid alluded to, the 5.2 is a peaky engine. One missed shift, one roll in a too-tall gear, or one gagged clutch drop and it's all over-the SS will walk.

If you want to go street racing, that's your problem. At legal speeds (0-60) the Camaro will consistently edge it.

This car is just another example of Ford trying to be different without being noticeably better. And at an eye-watering price premium.

The GT500? Now I KNOW you're just trying to make the trolls twitch :(

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Can't the same exact thing be said for any race ever though? Just because the Chevy has gobs of torque doesn't mean it could start a highway pull at 3 grand or miss a shift and win. There is only one change to win a drag race of any kind. A screw up will lead to the other car winning 99% of the time, unless the car just happens to be an absolute monster. I think the GT350 will definitely have an edge on a highway pull over a standing start though but I think that is kind of obvious with how the car was designed and it's intentions.

 

Yeah, these will be driven by idiots not just going to 60mph. I am not a street racer. Never have, hopefully never will. Gateway Motorsport park is 40 minutes from home and every Wednesday they have a "test n tune" for like 15 bucks.

 

I definitely do not see it as being different to be different. It has that peaky motor for a reason. Sometimes there is such a thing as too much torque and it is more than likely when you're exiting a corner and want to stand on the throttle at a mellow 3-4k(in the Chevy) and POW! torque everywhere. Progressive powerbands have their place and it is definitely not on a drag strip. They know this.

 

Ohhhh man!! YOU JUST WAIT!! Once the 2017 GT500 drops.. It'll just...It'll... FAST!!!!

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Guys. Seriously.

If this car was called the Mustang GT and priced accordingly, it would get an unabashed thumbs-up from me. Really, it would. An 8400rpm screamer that pulls 1g for high thirties? You might even get this GM guy to sign up.

BUT...

Ccap in particular has already gone on record as saying that the current SS is too darn expensive for what you get. And now we are supposed to excuse this Shelby twenty thousand dollars because it sounds nice?

In the immortal words of Jon Pinette: I say, nay nay.

At thirty-odd grand: awesome car. Mid to high fifties? Not so much.

And to think that we're not even talking about a 1LE version of the SS!... :o

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It's not a drag car and that is all you're currently comparing it to. There aren't comparative lap times that I know of, right? Aaaaand that is what the GT350 is. It is more of a road course car than a drag strip car and all you are comparing it by is straight line numbers.  And I HATE, absolutely HATE talking about resale but there will be a much higher resale % for anything labled Shelby over "just" a Camaro(I didn't know how to word that without talking down to the Camaro but you get what I'm saying).

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Once again: I have posted braking, acceleration, and lateral g numbers, including the figure eight times. NONE OF THEM are a noticeable improvement over an SS.

Resale value? No idea. It would be instructive to see how the old GT500 is holding up versus the ZL1 I suppose. But if you go down that road with your argument you run into the same wall you're trying to put up for me: this is a road racer, not a museum piece.

And even in its current form the run-of-the-mill SS is WAY too close for comfort if I'm a potential Shelby buyer.

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Guys. Seriously.

If this car was called the Mustang GT and priced accordingly, it would get an unabashed thumbs-up from me. Really, it would. An 8400rpm screamer that pulls 1g for high thirties? You might even get this GM guy to sign up.

BUT...

Ccap in particular has already gone on record as saying that the current SS is too darn expensive for what you get. And now we are supposed to excuse this Shelby twenty thousand dollars because it sounds nice?

In the immortal words of Jon Pinette: I say, nay nay.

At thirty-odd grand: awesome car. Mid to high fifties? Not so much.

And to think that we're not even talking about a 1LE version of the SS!... :o

 

Well there isn't a 1LE version, is there?

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Guys. Seriously.

If this car was called the Mustang GT and priced accordingly, it would get an unabashed thumbs-up from me. Really, it would. An 8400rpm screamer that pulls 1g for high thirties? You might even get this GM guy to sign up.

BUT...

Ccap in particular has already gone on record as saying that the current SS is too darn expensive for what you get. And now we are supposed to excuse this Shelby twenty thousand dollars because it sounds nice?

In the immortal words of Jon Pinette: I say, nay nay.

At thirty-odd grand: awesome car. Mid to high fifties? Not so much.

And to think that we're not even talking about a 1LE version of the SS!... :o

 

Well there isn't a 1LE version, is there?

 

There isn't a GT500 yet either but that didn't stop you commenting on that thread did it?

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Guys. Seriously.

If this car was called the Mustang GT and priced accordingly, it would get an unabashed thumbs-up from me. Really, it would. An 8400rpm screamer that pulls 1g for high thirties? You might even get this GM guy to sign up.

BUT...

Ccap in particular has already gone on record as saying that the current SS is too darn expensive for what you get. And now we are supposed to excuse this Shelby twenty thousand dollars because it sounds nice?

In the immortal words of Jon Pinette: I say, nay nay.

At thirty-odd grand: awesome car. Mid to high fifties? Not so much.

And to think that we're not even talking about a 1LE version of the SS!... :o

 

Well there isn't a 1LE version, is there?

 

There isn't a GT500 yet either but that didn't stop you commenting on that thread did it?

 

 

Was that not a thread about a possible GT500 right? How dare one talk about a possible GT500 in a thread about a possible GT500. 

 

And this here thread is about the GT350, right? 

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Really though, all this drama over all these variants of the Mustang can be traced back to two root causes:

-GM has an advanced RWD platform to utilize from Cadillac, while Ford doesn't have one from Lincoln.

-GM has invested much money and effort into mass-market V8s, while Ford has not.

It is the height of delusion for some to think that GM's massive advantages in both fields would not eventually bear fruit in a segment that values them. What I think has shocked some is just how expensive it is for a company to try to recoup those losses once they have been allowed to dissipate.

But them's the breaks. GM guys and girls have long known that this day would come. And now that it's here, it's time to raise a glass to wise investment, hard work, and reinventing the segment in GM's image.

You're missing my point entirely.

At this juncture I'm not even sure there NEEDS to be a 1LE.

*mike drop*

Whats a mike drop?

Are you meaning " mic ", as in microphone?

As I drop the mic... :XD:

I accept your surrender :)

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Guys. Seriously.

If this car was called the Mustang GT and priced accordingly, it would get an unabashed thumbs-up from me. Really, it would. An 8400rpm screamer that pulls 1g for high thirties? You might even get this GM guy to sign up.

BUT...

Ccap in particular has already gone on record as saying that the current SS is too darn expensive for what you get. And now we are supposed to excuse this Shelby twenty thousand dollars because it sounds nice?

In the immortal words of Jon Pinette: I say, nay nay.

At thirty-odd grand: awesome car. Mid to high fifties? Not so much.

And to think that we're not even talking about a 1LE version of the SS!... :o

 

Well there isn't a 1LE version, is there?

 

There isn't a GT500 yet either but that didn't stop you commenting on that thread did it?

 

 

Was that not a thread about a possible GT500 right? How dare one talk about a possible GT500 in a thread about a possible GT500. 

 

And this here thread is about the GT350, right? 

 

Now pay special attention to what YOU said.

"Well there isn't a 1LE version, is there?"

 

And the I said there isn't a GT500 either.

 

Now based on that fact, why can he not bring up a car that isn't here yet when you did the exact same thing? The answer is he can. Why would even say what you said about the 1LE? The answer is because you were trolling him.

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Guys. Seriously.

If this car was called the Mustang GT and priced accordingly, it would get an unabashed thumbs-up from me. Really, it would. An 8400rpm screamer that pulls 1g for high thirties? You might even get this GM guy to sign up.

BUT...

Ccap in particular has already gone on record as saying that the current SS is too darn expensive for what you get. And now we are supposed to excuse this Shelby twenty thousand dollars because it sounds nice?

In the immortal words of Jon Pinette: I say, nay nay.

At thirty-odd grand: awesome car. Mid to high fifties? Not so much.

And to think that we're not even talking about a 1LE version of the SS!... :o

 

Well there isn't a 1LE version, is there?

 

There isn't a GT500 yet either but that didn't stop you commenting on that thread did it?

 

 

Was that not a thread about a possible GT500 right? How dare one talk about a possible GT500 in a thread about a possible GT500. 

 

And this here thread is about the GT350, right? 

 

Now pay special attention to what YOU said.

"Well there isn't a 1LE version, is there?"

 

And the I said there isn't a GT500 either.

 

Now based on that fact, why can he not bring up a car that isn't here yet when you did the exact same thing? The answer is he can. Why would even say what you said about the 1LE? The answer is because you were trolling him.

 

 

I cant believe my eyes.

 

Here we have a troll complaining about me talking about a possible GT500 in a thread DEDICATED to that possible GT500.

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Once again: I have posted braking, acceleration, and lateral g numbers, including the figure eight times. NONE OF THEM are a noticeable improvement over an SS.

Resale value? No idea. It would be instructive to see how the old GT500 is holding up versus the ZL1 I suppose. But if you go down that road with your argument you run into the same wall you're trying to put up for me: this is a road racer, not a museum piece.

And even in its current form the run-of-the-mill SS is WAY too close for comfort if I'm a potential Shelby buyer.

And none of those are track times. That is my point. You're blowing this Camaro SS out of proportion UNTIL there is an actual comparison made available.

 

ZL1 is not an SS, which you are comparing to the Shelby. So the resale of the ZL1 is pointless in this GT350/SS comparison.

 

Based on your logic, if these numbers are "too close for comfort" why buy a Stingray? Why buy ANYTHING other than a Camaro SS because it is the best bang for your dollar? Right? That is basically what you're saying. 3.9 to 60mph is legitimately FAST. So why buy a car that can do it in 3.5? Would that not be "too close for comfort"? I mean a base Stingray runs 3.9 to 60mph, 1/4 mile in 12.2@118. Why buy it? Because it has the ability to hold 0.04g sustained? No, it has to be because of the brakes. The Vette stops ~15ft shorter than the Camaro. So, for $20,000 you car a car that has better brakes, and less interior room over the Camaro SS. Why buy it? Is it perhaps more than just the sum of those numbers that make it a great car? Absolutely. You're putting so much stock into a few numbers and riding those numbers to the grave high atop your clydesdale.

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Stop being silly.

You buy a Corvette because YOU WANT A CORVETTE.

You buy a Camaro because YOU WANT A CAMARO.

It's that simple. One is built to eat Ferraris, one is built to eat M4s.

Now, the Camaro numbers vs. Mustang numbers... these are direct competitors. And yes, strictly speaking the skid pad and figure eight aren't a track.

But once again... You can see a lot just by looking. The Mustang's quarter mile is the same elapsed time with a tiny edge in speed. The figure eight is the same deal.

What this indicates to me is that the Mustang's mass and low-end torque deficit do it no favors. Also it may be hurting its transition reactions from straights to corners.

But enough with the hair splitting: the twenty grand difference should be the starting point for any conversation about these two cars' merits, not a tenth here and a fraction of a g there.

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