Cadillac News: 2017 Cadillac CT6 PHEV is coming With 449 HP, 37-Mile Electric Range

[balthazar]

^ I don't put any weight in the 'follower/leader' concept. This may have significance to 0.001% of consumers; who cares.
Especially when it's so selectively applied. IE: we never hear that expressed -for example- when car-only makers like Porsche or Bentley bring out a hulking, expensive SUV.

Tesla doesn't & cannot 'own' the EV concept. Tesla Model S does not sell for the singular reason it has electric propulsion.

[surreal1272]

 

 

The Model S outsold the CTS and XTS too.   But the Model S was the only Tesla on sale, and there isn't another pure EV in that segment either.  Once Tesla has 3-4 models to spread the sales around, and others start to sell pure EV luxury cars, we'll see if the Model S sales hold up.  

Well, as long as you have yet another excuse for Mercedes. 

 

It isn't an excuse, Tesla sold 25,000 Model S in the USA in 2015.  That is a good number for a $100,000 car, but there aren't any other pure EVs anywhere near that price range, and Tesla as a company had one model.  The the Leaf was the only $30,000 EV and the Volt, i3 and Ford EVs didn't exist, Leaf sales would triple.   

 

People like to say how the Model S outsells the S-class, that means it outsells many other cars too.  The Model S outsells the XJ, A8, 7-series and Quattroporte combined.  The big difference is the Model S doesn't make any profit, the S-class does.

 

No. You are missing the point here SMK. You're still making excuses and following them up with half truths (like the Tesla S not making a profit). Thanks for playing though.

Edited March 27, 2016 by surreal1272

[regfootball]

Couple quick bits, someone on gm-volt had posted something about someone hitting 80 miles of range one day recently on a 16 or 17 Volt.  Must have been all the right conditions.

 

As far as start ups, remember microsoft was in business for almost what, 15-20 years before its success exploded.

[smk4565]

Tesla posted a $74 million loss in 2013, $294 million loss in 2014, and $889 million loss in 2015.  I get that they need to increase spending to get the Model X and Model 3 out.  But losing close to $1 billion when your total sales are $4 billion is a dangerous position to be in.   And they could turn that around, but I wouldn't crown them champions just yet.

[Drew Dowdell]

Couple quick bits, someone on gm-volt had posted something about someone hitting 80 miles of range one day recently on a 16 or 17 Volt.  Must have been all the right conditions.

 

As far as start ups, remember microsoft was in business for almost what, 15-20 years before its success exploded.

 

You well exceed the stated range on the original Volt too if you were in ideal conditions.  It's not that hard to do actually.   On a 70 degree day, start at Blue Mountain on the PA Turnpike and drive east at 65 mph, you could probably coast into Harrisburg 65 miles away without taking a sip of gasoline in any of these cars. 

[Drew Dowdell]

And Tesla is no longer a 'start up' - the entity has been in existance for 13 years now. In auto industry terms, that's around 4 generations of a model line.

 

Or 80% of a W-Body generation....

 

 

But seriously, no most car platforms have a run of about 10 - 15 years with visual refreshes in between.   Tesla does rolling updates without waiting for the change of the model year and focuses more on tech features than visual stuff.