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The 2017 Lincoln Continental might be labeled as quiet luxury, but even the timid ones have a wild side. And how could it not with two turbos and 400 horses under its hood?

The big Lincoln returns after a 14-year hiatus, and the automaker set out to make its comeback something special. And that’s certainly the case with one of the sedan’s engine choices—a Lincoln-exclusive 3.0-liter twin-turbo V-6 churning out 400 hp and 400 lb-ft of torque that’s been paired with a six-speed automatic transmission. Front-wheel drive is standard fare, but our test car was equipped with an all-wheel-drive system.

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/lincoln/continental/2017/2017-lincoln-continental-30t-awd-first-test-review/

 

 

An overall positive review and man is that interior gorgeous. :wub:

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14 minutes ago, TaurusSHO said:

The 2017 Lincoln Continental might be labeled as quiet luxury, but even the timid ones have a wild side. And how could it not with two turbos and 400 horses under its hood?

The big Lincoln returns after a 14-year hiatus, and the automaker set out to make its comeback something special. And that’s certainly the case with one of the sedan’s engine choices—a Lincoln-exclusive 3.0-liter twin-turbo V-6 churning out 400 hp and 400 lb-ft of torque that’s been paired with a six-speed automatic transmission. Front-wheel drive is standard fare, but our test car was equipped with an all-wheel-drive system.

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/lincoln/continental/2017/2017-lincoln-continental-30t-awd-first-test-review/

 

 

An overall positive review and man is that interior gorgeous. :wub:

Pretty much still a Meh car for me.  I do not like the interior as much in these photographs, and overall the design still looks heavy and awkward to me.

Now this...http://www.lexus.com/models/LS

Is a Luxury car!

 

Lexus LS

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I never thought the LS was anything special.  I'd gladly take a loaded Black Label over it.  More realistically, I'd be content with a Select model with the Revel audio system and 30-way seats. 

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1 minute ago, TaurusSHO said:

I never thought the LS was anything special.  I'd gladly take a loaded Black Label over it.  More realistically, I'd be content with a Select model with the Revel audio system and 30-way seats. 

To each his own...! I am a huge fan of Lexus and not much of a Lincoln fan....

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Just now, TaurusSHO said:

Of course.  I feel the opposite way haha.

...and I wish you many happy miles if you ever end up with a continental.  I am really happy that Ford is building this and that they are making conquest sales.  Lexus, BMW and everyone else needs a little bit of a wake up call...they have gotten too comfortable....this should make people in management nervous in Bavaria and Osaka.

Which should bring on the next cycle of product which will be even more interesting.

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Lincoln, nice very nice upgrade from the old version. Sadly, tight, not meant for large people and the lack of head room in the back makes this car a NOGO from the beginning for me. Having spent time with the car, the front passengers can get comfy, but not the back.

Lexus is a total yawner for me. My aunt has her 3rd one and always complains about having to take it in for repairs. Fit n Finish leaves allot to be desire. So far Lexus has not done much to win me over to be even an admirer of their auto's.

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3 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Lincoln, nice very nice upgrade from the old version. Sadly, tight, not meant for large people and the lack of head room in the back makes this car a NOGO from the beginning for me. Having spent time with the car, the front passengers can get comfy, but not the back.

Lexus is a total yawner for me. My aunt has her 3rd one and always complains about having to take it in for repairs. Fit n Finish leaves allot to be desire. So far Lexus has not done much to win me over to be even an admirer of their auto's.

Lexus is by far the most reliable Luxury make, and they just overtook BMW for the number two sales spot within the last year in north America.

The only Luxury car that would have enough head room for you in the back is a Lincoln...a 1960's 4 door convertible...with the top down....:lol:

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10 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Lexus is by far the most reliable Luxury make, and they just overtook BMW for the number two sales spot within the last year in north America.

The only Luxury car that would have enough head room for you in the back is a Lincoln...a 1960's 4 door convertible...with the top down....:lol:

True they seem to have hit the reliable numbers, but then some people just seem to be lucky with lemons and I think my aunt is one of them.

True the old Lincolns of the 60's - 70's did have much head room.

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1 hour ago, dfelt said:

True they seem to have hit the reliable numbers, but then some people just seem to be lucky with lemons and I think my aunt is one of them.

True the old Lincolns of the 60's - 70's did have much head room.

Sorry your aunt is having problems with hers.  I am probably not the best arbiter for what Luxury car buyers want. In my mind, I would like something with really athletic styling and power to match.

CTS-V seems like a no brainer if I was going to spend north of 50 K, but then again it is not a "flagship" and the LS and Conti are.

I like the CTS side profile much better than the ATS side and rear profile....

 

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I see the Chrysler 200S when I look at that interior. It's just not *luxury* special beyond the optional seats.

2015-Chrysler-200-Sedan-LX-4dr-Front-whe

The overall engineering is basically like Cadillac's FWD-based XTS V-Sport, which was faster and better handling back in 2014 (13.7@104 mph, 26.3 sec figure-eight). This isn't in the league of the A7/A8, S-Class, etc, but we're supposed to continually give it a pass because it's good...for a Lincoln.

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Ehhh, the more I see the XTS, the more I see a whale as well. I mean, the only good angle on that car is the rear....where you end up thinking it's a CTS or ATS. Much better looking cars than the whale the XTS is. Compared to the MKS, the XTS is most definitely trim. But compared to everything else, yup it's also a whale.

 

The Lincoln Conti is damn good for what it the company is trying to do. And it is a bonus that it drives so well, even with 59% of the weight on the nose. If you want the luxury snob badge, and look for capability you most definitely do NOT need, then don't go for Lincoln.  

And I do not see much resemblance to the 200S. Well, the floating controls, that's riff of Audi A8 to begin with, so if Chrysler copied an Audi, and a Lincoln looks similar, it's not the 200 that the Lincoln interior is inspired from. Also, all the lower parts of the 200 are nasty cheap. You don't find that in the Lincoln, I'm afraid.

And yet most critics have said the Lincoln does most definitely have an authentic American luxury interior.

I dunno. the Lincoln Continental is conquesting over buyers, and it'll be a while to see what it's range of sales per month should be still.

 

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27 minutes ago, cp-the-nerd said:

I see the Chrysler 200S when I look at that interior. It's just not *luxury* special beyond the optional seats.

2015-Chrysler-200-Sedan-LX-4dr-Front-whe

The overall engineering is basically like Cadillac's FWD-based XTS V-Sport, which was faster and better handling back in 2014 (13.7@104 mph, 26.3 sec figure-eight). This isn't in the league of the A7/A8, S-Class, etc, but we're supposed to continually give it a pass because it's good...for a Lincoln.

I don't think Lincoln cares it isn't matching or besting anybody in the performance categories as that isn't what it was designed to do. 

Image is for a comparison. 

Continental Interior.jpg

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10 hours ago, ccap41 said:

I don't think Lincoln cares it isn't matching or besting anybody in the performance categories as that isn't what it was designed to do. 

Image is for a comparison. 

Continental Interior.jpg

Both the 200 and Conti are kind of disproportional IMHO.

10 hours ago, Suaviloquent said:

Ehhh, the more I see the XTS, the more I see a whale as well. I mean, the only good angle on that car is the rear....where you end up thinking it's a CTS or ATS. Much better looking cars than the whale the XTS is. Compared to the MKS, the XTS is most definitely trim. But compared to everything else, yup it's also a whale.

 

...which is why I have been pretty open that the CTS is the only Cadillac I would like enough to buy, and then probably only in V trim.

C class Benz is much better looking than the Lincoln or (most of the) Cadillac lineup IMHO and I am not a Benz fan.

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10 hours ago, Suaviloquent said:

The Lincoln Conti is damn good for what it the company is trying to do. And it is a bonus that it drives so well, even with 59% of the weight on the nose. If you want the luxury snob badge, and look for capability you most definitely do NOT need, then don't go for Lincoln. 

It is a damn good car, and I am really happy it is making conquest sales. Things need to heat up in the luxury car market. I am a harsh critic of this car, but even as a harsh critic, I think it is a landmark car for not just Ford but also for the industry as a whole. The Shopkeepers bench went through the shopkeepers window with the cTS when it came out, it went back through the window with this car.

Like it or not, people will stand up and take notice of Lincoln with this...

11 hours ago, Suaviloquent said:

And I do not see much resemblance to the 200S. Well, the floating controls, that's riff of Audi A8 to begin with, so if Chrysler copied an Audi, and a Lincoln looks similar, it's not the 200 that the Lincoln interior is inspired from. Also, all the lower parts of the 200 are nasty cheap. You don't find that in the Lincoln, I'm afraid.

 

I have openly praised Lincolns use of material elsewhere in Conti threads, let me repeat that here....they do a damn fine job!

My issue is with the dash proportions.  again, i like the center stack, but the whole dashboard looks heavy to me in a malaise era luxury car vibe that is not something I want to repeat.

Yes, agree, lower parts of the 200 dash are nasty cheap, but it was a luxury (near luxury) car that went out the door for the price of a nicely equipped Civic in many cases.

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11 hours ago, Suaviloquent said:

And yet most critics have said the Lincoln does most definitely have an authentic American luxury interior.

C and G is corrupting me in the worst ways possible I am afraid.  A few years ago, I wanted a racing seat and a cage...now I am checking the online sites for used Luxury in the 25K range...

Despite the downsides to the Conti, given luxury car depreciation, I could actually see owning this myself used for a couple of reasons.

#1. Ford has done an excellent job with reliability....they are not Lexus, but they are very, very reliable. Build quality is way up and I trust them with things like electronics and body control modules more than many other luxury car makers. 

#2. Lincoln suffers a depreciation hit that rivals anything else in the used market, but around ere Lincoln, Cadillac, Lexus and Infinity seem to hold used residual value long term best...followed by Acura, and then Audi, then Benz, worst is BMW.

in other words, a nice price point for buy in gently used and then a good long term ownership experience in terms of repairs and depreciation.

#3. As expressed elsewhere, interior materials and also colors, I like Lincolns color choices better than any other luxury car maker.

#4. Ford parts prices seem to be more affordable than any other brand when it does come time to repair.

#5. Lack of snob appeal actually works well for me- I work with habitat for humanity swinging a hammer from time to time, also work as an adjunct Debate coach at the University I work at, and also work with the urban debate league-I think A Lincoln would actually come across as less snobish from an image standpoint, which would be  a plus...

 

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All of that being said, there are a lot of other options out there....but this car does have a certain pragmatic appeal in some ways.

A lot of what makes the Chrysler 300 good is here, in a package 12 years more fresh and from a much more stable company.

Also from a used car standpoint, I still like the IS 250/350 better....

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18 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

All of that being said, there are a lot of other options out there....but this car does have a certain pragmatic appeal in some ways.

A lot of what makes the Chrysler 300 good is here, in a package 12 years more fresh and from a much more stable company.

Also from a used car standpoint, I still like the IS 250/350 better....

If you have friends and Family over 5'10" you will want the 300 over the Conti. The 300 can fit comfy even Shrek size me at 6'6", The Conti is a fail for big people. Nice auto, decent, but not a big persons car. In fact I would say the saving grace is that the 300 is still the last remaining full size that has room for us big guys.

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41 minutes ago, dfelt said:

If you have friends and Family over 5'10" you will want the 300 over the Conti. The 300 can fit comfy even Shrek size me at 6'6", The Conti is a fail for big people. Nice auto, decent, but not a big persons car. In fact I would say the saving grace is that the 300 is still the last remaining full size that has room for us big guys.

I do like the room in the 300...V8 power is a huge plus also....

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One huge plus that I hope Lincoln will be engraining in all of their autos is this is the first Lincoln to not be covered with Ford switchgear. They finally have their own stuff!! I think something small like that will make a huge difference for those who say, "this is just a gussied up Ford". 

The guy is really corny but there were some small things I didn't know about the car that I learned. 

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1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

One huge plus that I hope Lincoln will be engraining in all of their autos is this is the first Lincoln to not be covered with Ford switchgear. They finally have their own stuff!! I think something small like that will make a huge difference for those who say, "this is just a gussied up Ford". 

The guy is really corny but there were some small things I didn't know about the car that I learned. 

Small things yes...but it still leaves a lot to be desired.

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3 hours ago, dfelt said:

If you have friends and Family over 5'10" you will want the 300 over the Conti. The 300 can fit comfy even Shrek size me at 6'6", The Conti is a fail for big people. Nice auto, decent, but not a big persons car. In fact I would say the saving grace is that the 300 is still the last remaining full size that has room for us big guys.

I guess it all depends on how you sit.  I am 6'1" and have no issue sitting in the back of our 2013 Taurus.  On a couple of road trips with my 6'3" uncle in front of me, it didn't feel cramped at all.  I imagine the Continental would seem like sitting in the back of a Town Car in comparison.

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2 minutes ago, TaurusSHO said:

I guess it all depends on how you sit.  I am 6'1" and have no issue sitting in the back of our 2013 Taurus.  On a couple of road trips with my 6'3" uncle in front of me, it didn't feel cramped at all.  I imagine the Continental would seem like sitting in the back of a Town Car in comparison.

I invite you to go try as I was surprised on how tight it was and having to bend my head down. There is not much room in the back if you have a large person up front. Very tight.

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49 minutes ago, dfelt said:

I invite you to go try as I was surprised on how tight it was and having to bend my head down. There is not much room in the back if you have a large person up front. Very tight.

This is surprising, I will take my sons, both of whom are over 6 foot, to a Lincoln Showroom and verify this for myself.

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19 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

This is surprising, I will take my sons, both of whom are over 6 foot, to a Lincoln Showroom and verify this for myself.

Let me know how it goes, I would be interested.

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      Competitors: Lexus LX560, Cadillac Escalade, Lincoln Navigator, Mercedes-Benz GLS, Audi Q7
       
      Next Up: Volvo XC40 and Land Rover Range Rover SVAutobiography


      2018 Volvo XC40

      The Details: The XC40 is the first vehicle on Volvo’s new CMA platform.  It features a 248 hp 2 liter turbo four cylinder routing through an 8-speed automatic to all four wheels. People familiar with the controls from Volvo’s larger SPA platform vehicles like XC90 and S80 will feel right at home as most of touchy stuff is lifted straight from them. You will also be able to subscribe to the XC40 rather than buy or lease.  Basically a 15,000 mile a year lease that includes all maintenance and insurance.
      Why it Matters: Another entry straight at the heart of the compact luxury crossover market. The recent Volvos have been a hit and I expect this one to be as well. The floor display had a few questionable interior materials and some visible exterior manufacturing defects, so I hope those get sorted soon as these XC40s are rolling down the manufacturing line already. Volvo’s policy of electrifying every vehicle that make means that a plug-in hybrid version of the XC40 is coming, however the Volvo rep I spoke to refused to confirm.  Volvo’s subscription idea is intriguing and it will be interesting to see if it takes off. Click here for more information on the 2018 Volvo XC40
      2018 Range Rover SVAutobiography

      The Details: An Ultra-Luxury Range Rover
      Why it Matters:  Are you a Russian Oil Tycoon or an NBA star?  If so, then it matters.  If not, just look at it and dream from behind the velvet ropes while the booth attendants sneer at you. It has power close rear doors, executive seating, and a new infotainment system. There is a hidden refrigerator in between the rear seats that holds two wine bottles plus two glasses and opens with the touch of a button. The closest competitor I can think of isn't an SUV at all, but the S-Class Maybach.  This is Land Rover's interpretation of the segment. 
      Competitors: Mercedes Benz GLS550 Designo, Bentley Bentaga, S-Class Maybach
       
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