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Very cool as the Dodge video from 2021 EV show has brought us what some see as the next AWD Charger BEV.

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I am liking the modern retro look on this Charger.

Seems Mopar is pushing their level 2 charger now.

New Mopar At-Home Plug-In Wall Chargers Will Give You Full Charge in Less Than Two Hours - autoevolution

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I had time to digest the rendering. Not sure if its straight from Dodge or its fan-made but I would like to confirm the upvote that I gave to Balthy for saying that Dodge should evolve the Charger (and Challenger) in looks rather than just change it up completely JUST because the motive power is changing.  Like he said, too much equity to piss away if they change it up.

I could go for a complete change if and only if a new design language STILL says Dodge muscle machine.  That rendering tells no tales of mythical MOPAR madness. Its unconvincing as MOPAR muscle car  And  to make sure you know its electrical, EV is written on it...    

That right there is a fatal flaw in my opinion.   As per the video, Dodge is NOT to produce electric vehicles but to continue to build American muscle...  EV shoudnt be written ANYWHERE on it and the design should  have a more convincing Dodge identity to it if they decide to change the design language.

I understand the grill  is to emulate a '70 Charger grill

1970 Dodge Charger R/T SE | T209 | Indy 2020

 

And I guess it could work.  The rest of the design just seems like your run-of-the mill  sketch rendering.  Its true that its just a single sketch and the side profile is not even showcased, so Ill just end my rant right here. 

 

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Although I wrote about my issue with the EV written on that rendering as a Dodge muscle car, I will agree that all OEMs have to move past the EV pandering. It is BS.  

That includes the names.  Special naming schemes dedicated to an EV line of models like Mach-E or

Cadillac's  Lyriq and Celestiq or Mercedes' EQ naming scheme.    They all do it. Its all stupid.  Especially when they themselves have said they will end their ICE development to produce EVs.   

Society and they (OEMs) have moved on from the cutesy 1st phase of EVs.  If EVs are to be the norm, lets actually MAKE EVs the norm...  

 

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I have to revisit my opinion on Electra.  Which I may (or may not) course correct with my opinion on.  

I didnt mind Buick using their past name Electra on a future EV product.  Now, Im not so sure anymore.

Is it pandering for Buick to reuse this name?  

I have to think it is pandering.  Buick retired this name because it no longer meant anything to the American public. Buick wanted to move away from it because it was a name from a bygone era.  Buick wanted to reinvent itself and Electra the car and the brand no longer fit with the then future.  

Although it is a no brainer to use it for an EV,  Buick's position in the market place has only gotten worse since Electra was last used and its brand perception today is worse off as it seems there IS no brand perception going forward.  At least in 1997, Buick was an old fogey brand.  Today, Buick it seem is nobody's brand... 

Therefore I dont think Electra will benefit Buick's image going forward with an EV.    Its best that Buick try with another name.  They should keep what they have now with Encore, Enclave and Envision since none of those names are offensive to anybody and the vehicles they represent are good vehicles if not memorable and invent a new name for a 4rth model.  

Riviera should make a comeback tho. But it better be a HALO car and it better be engineered properly to represent Buick's REAL qualities.    Quiet, classy luxury that is just above understated and just below arrogant (Cadillac) that gets noticed everywhere it goes.  

 

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It's been whisper quiet on the Atlis front. Quite a while ago they showed this concept off, spouted some lofty claim numbers with it.  At least it looked fairly 'butch' [unlike the wheel chock Tesla] and had a usable bed [unlike the wheel chock Tesla]. 

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But in googling it the other day, I found this 2021 image, and it was captioned 'redesigned'. Uh-oh. 

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If true, and serious, wave goo-by to the Atlis, but at least it will have company in the EV scrap bin with Workhorse and Bolinger.  These upstarts NEED to realize that styling HAS to go hand-in-hand with functionality in trucks.

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2 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

I find first hand experience and facts more helpful than ignorance and unwarranted hysteria. 

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/tesla-driver-details-survived-14-132951082.html

This is a perfect example of how technology is helping to make a better quality of life over old ways of doing things. This is why Human Society must evolve. Better for all IMHO.

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Seems that Foxconn bought at the end of 2021 Lordstown EV Plant in Lordstown, Ohio. As such, with the purchase came an agreement to produce the Lordstown Endurance Pickup truck with Deliveries to begin in Q3 2022.

Foxconn chairman predicts exceptional Q1 but challenging 2022 - Nikkei Asia

Lordstown Endurance electric pickups will be delivered in 2022, claims Foxconn chairman (greencarreports.com)

Seems Foxconn will also produce 3 other BEVs at this plant for sale in North America.

Seems this truck might get to market after all and before Tesla.

Lordstown Endurance

Lordstown Endurance

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Interesting Drag race between two electric power cars.

Race #1

  • Lucid Air DE Performance (92% SOC)
  • Tesla Model S Plaid (92% SOC) - win
    0-60 mph: 2.98 s
    60-130 mph: 4.70 s
    100-150 mph: 4.69 s
    1/4 mile: 9.83 s @150.59 mph

Race #2

  • Lucid Air DE Performance - win
  • Tesla Model S Plaid (Launch Mode not used)
    0-60 mph: 3.02 s
    60-130 mph: 5.05 s
    1/4 mile: 10.21 s @125.64 mph

Race #3

  • Lucid Air DE Performance
  • Tesla Model S Plaid - win
    0-60 mph: 2.56 s
    60-130 mph: 4.98 s
    1/4 mile: 9.67 s @146.02 mph

Race #4: Roll race at 25 mph (40 km/h)

  • Lucid Air DE Performance:
  • Tesla Model S Plaid - win

Watch Lucid Air Dream Edition P Vs Tesla Model S Plaid Drag Races (insideevs.com)

I am sure some will be excited for this brand, but meh by me, but seems 5 new BEVs in 2025 and pure BEV only by 2030.

Bentley announces 'Beyond100' sustainability strategy, investing nearly $3.4 billion to go all-electric by 2030, five new BEVs starting in 2025 - Electrek

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More news as it seems Stellantis is out Trademarking Avenger as an BEV in various countries. Seems an EV Muscle car maybe according to this story and the screen captures of the trademarks.

Dodge Avenger Returning As Electric Muscle Car? | CarBuzz

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Reading about Kansas's approach to BEs'.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/kansas-build-repair-roads-without-230026436.html

Currently they are at 0.3% electric vehicles in KS, but of course 'Protect the Revenue Streams' thinking is having Gov't scrabble around on ways to bill consumers more.
BE current registration fees are $100 (IC is $39 under 4500 lbs), and there's a bill in circulation to tax BE owners by the kW hour used from charging stations.

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1 hour ago, balthazar said:

Reading about Kansas's approach to BEs'.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/kansas-build-repair-roads-without-230026436.html

Currently they are at 0.3% electric vehicles in KS, but of course 'Protect the Revenue Streams' thinking is having Gov't scrabble around on ways to bill consumers more.
BE current registration fees are $100 (IC is $39 under 4500 lbs), and there's a bill in circulation to tax BE owners by the kW hour used from charging stations.

Never saw a politician that would ever stop a tax revenue that would take away from their ability to spend. Pathetic.

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I'm sure the consumer planning their next/future purchase would appreciate knowing the 'bottom line' WRT switching over. 
'No oil changes / no gas' is obviously pushed hard, but you almost never hear of the 'hidden' price increases to the consumer with BEs.  Problem is -esp on the state level- a LOT more of that is coming like a tidal wave.

DAVID- have you solicited an insurance quote yet for a Rivian, and if so; how does it compare to something similar?  '22 F-150 Platinum starts 10 grand less- don't know if that'd be considered a comp.

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On 1/9/2022 at 1:11 PM, oldshurst442 said:

Its just business.  And the right to DO business in a free market economy.

Im a business owner....

Some of the market adjustment due to short supply is manufactured. What I mean by that is that some sectors, dealerships included, are intentionally holding back inventory so as to force prices up. Enough companies get on the bandwagon and they can manipulate an entire sector.  It happened quite visibly with lumber in the last 18 months and I suspect it is happening with some vehicles as well (though certain models like Bronco or Lightning are genuinely in short supply).

It’s hard to call it price fixing because there is no written or verbal  communication between the companies, but every RAV-4 Prime that sells for $40k over sticker sends a message to all surrounding dealers.

55 minutes ago, balthazar said:

I'm sure the consumer planning their next/future purchase would appreciate knowing the 'bottom line' WRT switching over. 
'No oil changes / no gas' is obviously pushed hard, but you almost never hear of the 'hidden' price increases to the consumer with BEs.  Problem is -esp on the state level- a LOT more of that is coming like a tidal wave.

DAVID- have you solicited an insurance quote yet for a Rivian, and if so; how does it compare to something similar?  '22 F-150 Platinum starts 10 grand less- don't know if that'd be considered a comp.

I’m on a Rivian group and several new owners are reporting struggles with their insurance companies because Rivian is too new for the actuary to rate and price. It’s borderline impossible to replace one with the same vehicle right now because the wait is currently years. Rivian is offering insurance to buyers, but I don’t know if the price is competitive.

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3 minutes ago, balthazar said:

I'm surprised that OEMs are starting to offer insurance, tho I suppose there's nothing preventing such. It feels like there'd be a conflict of interest, but who knows.

The actual underwriting is done by a major insurance firm. The OEMs just slap their name on it. Just like how Chrysler Financial is actually Santander Bank.

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Arizona levies registration fees based on the base MSRP of a vehicle.
A $67,500 Rivian will cost you $1134 the first year. It declines every year, but on that MSRP, 10 years of ownership will cost you $5,789 just for license plates.

This applies to all vehicles, the slight difference being that most BE vehicles have above average starting MSRPs. 
I think that means a -say- GMC Sierra Denali 1500 ($56,800 : $954) would go off of the base Sierra's MSRP ($32,300 : $542).

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11 minutes ago, balthazar said:

Arizona levies registration fees based on the base MSRP of a vehicle.
A $67,500 Rivian will cost you $1134 the first year. It declines every year, but on that MSRP, 10 years of ownership will cost you $5,789 just for license plates.

This applies to all vehicles, the slight difference being that most BE vehicles have above average starting MSRPs. 
I think that means a -say- GMC Sierra Denali 1500 ($56,800 : $954) would go off of the base Sierra's MSRP ($32,300 : $542).

Hmm... I wonder if that is a cheat code for the Silverado EV.

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