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Mercedes-Benz has marketed for the last few decades with the tag line of "The Best or Nothing!" 

This February, Mercedes-AMG, the performance arm of Mercedes-Benz announced the two newest members to the BEV family of cars, EQE 43 and EQE 53. These two cars will ride on the EVA2 electric luxury and premium platform exclusive to the AMG line. This platform has had particularly focused attention to the areas of the drive, brakes, sound, exterior and interior design and specific equipment, ensuring a dynamic and emotively appealing AMG driving experience for the AMG connoisseur. 

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This EVA2 platform will allow the following specifications for the EQE43 and EQE53:

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One interesting observation is that Mercedes-AMG is not building to the 800 VOLT level that Porsche, Audi, BMW, VW, GM, Ford, Hyundai and Kia have all committed to building at which makes one wonder if their 80% recharge time in 15 minutes can be achieved. 

AMG has stated that their models have always stood for "Emotionality". As such, the hallmark of the AMG Driving experience is an important one and one that will deliver in all three driving modes, Balanced, Sport and Powerful. These modes will be available in both the Authentic and optional Performance programs on the EQE53 with AMG Dynamic Plus Package. Before once thinks we are talking about the actual driving experience of how the car performs, this is actually the Audio experience of how the car sounds. AMG will use their auto sound system to deliver a unique sound experience using special speakers, bass actuator and a sound generator. This AMG Sound Experience is based on the current driving status, the selected drive program or the driver's wishes for both inside and outside audio experience.

In regard to actual driving, the AMG platform will have AMG specific electric motors built into the front and rear axle for the ultimate performance. These motors have been built with an optimal balance of power, efficiency and noise comfort. The EQE43 motors have AMG specific tuning and control whereas the EQE53 will have additional adapted windings and laminations for higher currents and a specific inverter enabling higher engine speeds and more power which is noticeable during acceleration and top speed.

Rear electric motors will have a six-phase design with two windings with three phases each delivering a strong magnetic field. The AMG-specific liquid cooling system will allow repeated acceleration maneuvers without any needed prep time. The transmission has an oil heat exchanger that also includes a preheated mode for cold starts to increase efficiency.

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The battery pack for both of these cars is a 90.6 kWh, ten modules with a total of 360 pouch cells. The battery management system is tuned specifically for AMG. The advanced pouch design has a reduced cobalt content for a high density, high charge / discharge life cycle consisting of nickel, cobalt and manganese in a ratio of 8:1:1.

The new battery design by Mercedes allows for short charging times using a charging system up to 170 kW of fast charging with direct current. The onboard charger allows charging from home at 11 kW or public using the 22 kW. Mercedes warrants the battery pack for 10 years and 250,000 kilometers (155,000 miles) whichever comes first.

Mercedes has taken a copy of one feature that was first on Ford ICE autos with their Flex not having a gas cap but a gas filler seal around the door that you open to fuel the Flex. You have this here in how they have sealed the door to the charge port unlike Tesla with no seal on the door, but two rubber covers you have to apply to the ports. As seen in the picture below, you also have the rubber seals over the ports in addition to the door seal.

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The cars will have three levels of intelligent energy recuperation or what most people are familiar with as regeneration and can be activated via a switch on the steering wheel. You will have the ability to have one-pedal driving or traditional brake driving.

AMG all-wheel drive system will continuously distribute torque between front and rear wheels based on driving situation. This is done checking 160 times per second and the torque will be balanced also depending on the actual driving mode of the powertrain. One can choose between Comfort, Sport and Sport+ where torque is changed from balanced in Comfort mode to a heavy rear-bias in the interests of greater lateral dynamics in Sport+ mode.

The ride of these AMG cars is an adaptable AMG RIDE CONTROL+.  This air suspension with adaptive adjustable damping on a four-link front axle and multilink rear suspension. To quote the press release: 

The adaptive adjustable damping uses two so-called pressure limiting valves. These continuously variable control valves located outside the damper allow the damping force to be adjusted even more precisely to different driving conditions and drive programs: one valve controls the rebound phase, i.e. the force generated when the wheel rebounds; the other controls the compression phase when the wheel compresses. The rebound and compression phases are controlled independently of each other. This technology makes it possible to increase comfort on the one hand, but also to make the driving dynamics even sportier on the other hand.

The suspension control unit analyses data – including data from the acceleration and wheel path sensors – to adjust the damping force for each wheel in a few milliseconds to suit the situation. The AMG developers were able to significantly increase the spread between sportiness and comfort. Among other things, by widening the spread between minimum and maximum damping force characteristics, as well as even greater flexibility in characteristic mapping. By using the two adjustment valves, the damper is able to provide damping force adjustment across the full range of wheel vibrations. Thanks to the special design of the valves, the damper reacts quickly and sensitively to changing road surfaces and driving conditions.

Another AMG standard for these cars is rear axle steering with turn out and turn in depending on the speed. Below 60 km/h the rear wheels turn in the opposite direction of the front wheels. At 60 km/h and faster the rear wheels turn in the same direction as the front wheels.

These BEVs will also have the AMG DYNAMIC SELECT drive programs where the driver at a touch of a button can change to preset driving characteristics in five modes.

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Due to the dynamic nature of these AMG Saloon cars, they will come with six-piston brake calipers in the front and single piston calipers in the rear. Standard brakes are 415x33 mm front and 378x22 rear. Optional AMG Ceramic brake system uses 440x40 mm in the front and only in conjuntion with the upgraded 21" rims versus the standard 20" rims.

AMG has taken the design philosophy of the class leading EQS to a performance level with its one-bow lines and cab-forward design with a fastback allowing it to be clearly distinguishable from the ICE auto versions. Here you can see the difference between the 43 and 53.

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One will have to look very close as the differences are very subtle between the two.

Interior design is where Mercedes says they have applied AMG dominated style-defining touches that the AMG buyer expects. The following list is just some of the points they say you will have inside these autos. AMG Hyperscreen is an optional upgrade on the dash.

  • Instrument panel and beltlines in space grey ARTICO man-made leather with NEOTEX grain and red topstitching
  • Door center panels and also transition from center console to instrument panel in black MICROCUT microfiber with red topstitching
  • AMG Performance steering wheel in Nappa leather, with flattened lower section, perforated in the grip area with silver-colored aluminum paddles for setting various recuperation levels, in addition to standard AMG steering wheel buttons
  • AMG sports pedals, AMG floor mats and door sill trims with AMG lettering (illuminated with exchangeable cover)

EQE43 Dash

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EQE53 Dash

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Chairs for the interior with adaptable head rests.

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Technical chart as per the press release:

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Additional details can be read at the links below.

Mercedes-AMG EQE: Two new all-electric performance saloons from Affalterbach - Mercedes-Benz Group Media

Mercedes-AMG EQE, PAD, 2022 - Mercedes-Benz Group Media

Latest pictures - Mercedes-Benz Group Media


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The EQE43 I believe isn't coming to the USA, so maybe the dual motor will be an EQE450 or something, I am surprised they even did an AMG43, that seems pointless when you could do the 350 rear drive, a 450 all wheel drive like pretty much every current Mercedes now.    Also I have to imagine an AMG 63 is coming, otherwise why name the 600 hp car the EQE53.  

Having seen the EQS in person, it doesn't look as bad in person, although it doesn't look as good as the E-class or S-class, their gas cars look better than these electric ones.  

Curious to see how the EQE is priced, maybe that EQE53 will be priced around $90k like an E53 is (with options on it) and that will undercut the Tesla Model S by $5k as well, which this car is about Model S size, and looks more luxurious and better built. 

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No amount of tech goodies and supposed range and performance will cover up that hideous jellybean undercover VW CC look (and I literally just saw an EQS at the MB dealership in Greensboro two days ago). Rabid fanboys aside, no one in their right mind would say that Benz put out their best design for this.

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13 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

undercover VW CC look

Somehow, I think the CC looks pretty great. These...do not. 

I completely agree. No matter how quick, technologically advanced, or insane range these have, I just cannot get on board the styling. 

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Totally agree, that there is good if not great tech here, but the overall package is a FAILURE IMHO due to the styling inside and especially out.

Honestly, based on the platform of the motors, electronics and battery pack, I think the Style was a last minute task, make it cut through the air very efficient as we cannot compete against Tesla with what we have right now, close if it will slip through the air. AKA Jellybean EQS, EQE, EQE-AMG, etc. etc. etc. etc.

FAILURE to me.

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That's called an E-Class so there was literally no reason for Benz to make such a hideously boring car on the outside, in the case of their EV sedans. I would honestly be pissed if I were a current Benz owner, looking to make the move from my ICE "Best or nothing" to something that absolutely does not look like the "best or nothing". This would literally be unacceptable from any other make so Benz does not get any kind of pass for screwing up the FIRST thing someone sees when they hit their dealership lots. If you took the Benz emblem off that grill, you would never know it was a Mercedes and that is a problem IMO.

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42 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

That's called an E-Class so there was literally no reason for Benz to make such a hideously boring car on the outside, in the case of their EV sedans. I would honestly be pissed if I were a current Benz owner, looking to make the move from my ICE "Best or nothing" to something that absolutely does not look like the "best or nothing". This would literally be unacceptable from any other make so Benz does not get any kind of pass for screwing up the FIRST thing someone sees when they hit their dealership lots. If you took the Benz emblem off that grill, you would never know it was a Mercedes and that is a problem IMO.

Come 2028 or so the S-class will go electric, so there won't be a need for an EQS, so at that point I hope they drop this styling language in favor of their traditional styling.  And then so on with the E-class, C-class, etc.  

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36 minutes ago, balthazar said:

No worries: with daimler’s track record on BE’s, the S won’t be a single all electric model until ten years after it should’ve been (so; 2038).

They aren't Daimler anymore, they renamed the company Mercedes-Benz( and Daimler Truck was spun off to its own company).  And rumor is the current S-class is the last with an ICE powertrain, so these sedans will start to merge to one product, maybe the E and C go another generation into the 2030s.  I don't think the EQE will outsell the E-class, nor will the EQS outsell the S-class, so when the time comes, I can't see this 1 Bow design language winning.  

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mercedes might not have to worry about the EQS matching the IC s-class  volume; the s-class sales in the US are down to 58% ('21) of what they were just 7 years earlier. If it keeps falling, the EQS won't have to rise much for the 2 volumes to meet.

What's interesting to me is- all the pre-production press on the EQS showed the full-width dash with the 3 screens behind it. Yet when I looked at a couple online local to me, they had a markedly different & cheaper-looking interior. What's the story there? That bottom one is awful! 

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According to Jay, "The Best or Nothing!" SLR from Mercedes pales in comparison to the Ford Mach-E GT Performance.

Mercedes is going to lose and lose big. Badge snobs will never admit it, but their Mojo is nothing of what it was and their time has come and is now going.

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13 hours ago, balthazar said:

mercedes might not have to worry about the EQS matching the IC s-class  volume; the s-class sales in the US are down to 58% ('21) of what they were just 7 years earlier. If it keeps falling, the EQS won't have to rise much for the 2 volumes to meet.

What's interesting to me is- all the pre-production press on the EQS showed the full-width dash with the 3 screens behind it. Yet when I looked at a couple online local to me, they had a markedly different & cheaper-looking interior. What's the story there? That bottom one is awful! 

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WOW, that is freaking ugly in that bottom photo.

This is from my local dealership that has Five in stock, all 450 priced from $99,995 to $120,210

450 being sold as used with 1,259 miles on it Used 2022 Mercedes-Benz EQS 450+ for sale in Lynnwood, WA 98037: Hatchback Details - 620699754 - Autotrader

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New 450 $120,210 with zero miles on it. New 2022 Mercedes-Benz EQS 450+ for sale in Lynnwood, WA 98037: Hatchback Details - 624896930 - Autotrader

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This 450 actually seems to have the full 3 screens under that big screen.

$117,655 New 2022 Mercedes-Benz EQS 450+ for sale in Lynnwood, WA 98037: Hatchback Details - 620699757 - Autotrader

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Then you have the $105,500 which seems to have a weird metal or plastic dash?

New 2022 Mercedes-Benz EQS 450+ for sale in Lynnwood, WA 98037: Hatchback Details - 625998743 - Autotrader

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Final new is $103,360 with the same horizontal wood dash but in white interior. New 2022 Mercedes-Benz EQS 450+ for sale in Lynnwood, WA 98037: Hatchback Details - 627364634 - Autotrader

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Interesting observation is that my cell phone takes better pictures than the ones in these posted ads by Mercedes. For selling "The best or nothing" one would think Mercedes would have a standard on how the autos should be represented online in actual picture format.

Not impressed with the EQS that will eventually replace the S-Class for good. Mercedes needs styling help bigtime.

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Same here. This from the Greensboro, NC dealership I spoke of earlier. This is not a $105,900K car, on looks alone. Not on the outside and, with this trim, not on the inside either.

 

https://www.mbgreensboro.com/new/Mercedes-Benz/2022-Mercedes-Benz-EQS-0f9876620a0e09b121c5b7df30e164fe.htm

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1 hour ago, surreal1272 said:

Same here. This from the Greensboro, NC dealership I spoke of earlier. This is not a $105,900K car, on looks alone. Not on the outside and, with this trim, not on the inside either.

 

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Maybe a $75,000 car, but I agree, the EQS is way overpriced for what you're getting, and the look is so minimalist cheap looking.

This is NOT "The Best or Nothing"

Truly Nothing, I have to expect that these cars will end up with heavy discounts on them like the S-Class has been done to move them.

Another reason to NOT HAVE BEIGH CARPET, Really, used cardboard boxes on the floor to keep them clean, they should have left the plastic covering on till the auto was sold and delivered to the customer then. So, ridicules!

At least the Mercedes dealer left the plastic on the floors to protect the carpet till sold.

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On 2/28/2022 at 10:28 PM, balthazar said:

mercedes might not have to worry about the EQS matching the IC s-class  volume; the s-class sales in the US are down to 58% ('21) of what they were just 7 years earlier. If it keeps falling, the EQS won't have to rise much for the 2 volumes to meet.

What's interesting to me is- all the pre-production press on the EQS showed the full-width dash with the 3 screens behind it. Yet when I looked at a couple online local to me, they had a markedly different & cheaper-looking interior. What's the story there? That bottom one is awful! 

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The small screen is standard on the EQS450, the Hyperscreen is optional on the 450, I think standard on the 550.  Hyperscreen is optional on EQE.

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On 3/1/2022 at 4:16 PM, David said:

Maybe a $75,000 car, but I agree, the EQS is way overpriced for what you're getting, and the look is so minimalist cheap looking.

This is NOT "The Best or Nothing"

Truly Nothing, I have to expect that these cars will end up with heavy discounts on them like the S-Class has been done to move them.

Another reason to NOT HAVE BEIGH CARPET, Really, used cardboard boxes on the floor to keep them clean, they should have left the plastic covering on till the auto was sold and delivered to the customer then. So, ridicules!

At least the Mercedes dealer left the plastic on the floors to protect the carpet till sold.

$99k Tesla interior:

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The reviews of the EQS say it has the best ride quality on market, it also turns tighter than a Mini Cooper and most reviewers say the tech is better than Tesla.   You are still getting a lot for the price.  And right now the EQS is the largest and most luxurious EV on the market.

Here is the e-tron GT, which also starts over $100k, yet is only EQE size

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I don't see those 2 as any big threat, especially when the EQE is their size, yet not their price.  

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14 hours ago, smk4565 said:

$99k Tesla interior:

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The reviews of the EQS say it has the best ride quality on market, it also turns tighter than a Mini Cooper and most reviewers say the tech is better than Tesla.   You are still getting a lot for the price.  And right now the EQS is the largest and most luxurious EV on the market.

Here is the e-tron GT, which also starts over $100k, yet is only EQE size

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I don't see those 2 as any big threat, especially when the EQE is their size, yet not their price.  

MEH, Both to me are not worth the asking price. Tech is cool, but the interior screams minimalist cheap by the company. Guess some day have to see them in person to see if my feeling changes, but like @ccap41 stated, the EQ? line of electric auto's from Mercedes is the least attractive line of BEVs out there. I think a major refresh will have to happen sooner than later for them to get sales going past the badge snobs.

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That one picture, the seats look like molded plastic.  Nasty gray interiors in several pics. Ick.  The exterior is so bland, so poorly proportioned. Nothing imposing like an S-Class should be.  

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8 hours ago, ccap41 said:

Don't forget the least attractive. 

It’s sad when the superlative for the best or nothing is that at least it’s the “largest”. Most luxurious is subjective as hell, especially when it sits inside an ugly jellybean shell. 

22 hours ago, smk4565 said:

I don't see those 2 as any big threat, especially when the EQE is their size, yet not their price

The E Tron starts at $65,900, putting it in the same range as the much uglier (and not near as luxurious at its base price) EQE. Stop using the top of the line GT example to sugarcoat the ugliness that your favorite brand produced for supposed mass consumption. 

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19 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

It’s sad when the superlative for the best or nothing is that at least it’s the “largest”. Most luxurious is subjective as hell, especially when it sits inside an ugly jellybean shell. 

The E Tron starts at $65,900, putting it in the same range as the much uglier (and not near as luxurious at its base price) EQE. Stop using the top of the line GT example to sugarcoat the ugliness that your favorite brand produced for supposed mass consumption. 

This is Audi's EQE competitor, granted they have a dual motor base, so it is comparable to the EQE43 in in terms of power, but they are the same size.

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Those battery converted Q4's and Q5's that Audi is selling are no match for an EQE (or the coming SUV version).

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