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They're an in-between. Not full luxury, but not a pedestrian brand either. That is actually their traditional spot in the market hierarchy. Buicks were the cars for bankers and doctors who wanted a fine car, but didn't want to be ostentatious by driving a Cadillac or Imperial. I'm fine with Buick maintaining that position and I think their pricing needs to be a bit less ambitious to match that.... And for Eff sake drop that horrible 2.5 liter.

I don't believe there is a rule of thumb for what a repair place 'should' charge- it's a matter of what they feel the market will bear, for the most part. However, 20% is common, I believe- it is in the construction trades. That may well be their discount from local, regular parts houses, so the price you 'see' looks really close. That said : the idler pulleys on my 2500HD went bad & threw the belt. It was late in the day, and it was right next to a local independent garage. He agreed to fix it, but couldn't get the pulleys until tomm, from the GM dealer. I volunteered to pick them up & deliver them to him when he opened, to speed the job, and he agreed. Unfortunately for him, he didn't arrange to have the dealer put them 'on his tab'. I was there a bit before the parts counter opened at 8AM- the pulleys were still packed. I paid out of pocket- parts guy didn't know me. I paid $32, garage tried to charge me $80. That's far too much.

German collusion with Americans in my driveway.

Your link predicts a ONE percent rise next year. Where exactly do you draw the line over which growth becomes "rapid"??

COOL Story of going 300mph on water, sadly it ended in a crash and death of the driver, but WOW. The Story here is that the daughter gave the rights to the boat to a museum that raised it up off the lake bottom and is restoring it. https://jalopnik.com/infamous-bluebird-jet-engined-speedboat-is-back-after-s-1828134184

The Forester is one of their best sellers too. This would put the nail in the coffin for the BR-Z. I'm surprised the Toyota numbers are as high as they are, but that must include Lexus as well.

They are fantastic deals to be had! Too bad nothing from Buick even remotely interests me...

I simply responded to '52,000 LaCrosses sitting on lots at $10K off sticker- check any dealer site' by checking 'my' Buick dealers, where they had 1 2017 available @ 3600 off. Then I searched for an unsold 2017 3-series and the first one I found was $10K off. Just looked at 'my' mercedes dealer, they have a brand new '17 S550 AWD stickered at $75K- that's got to be around $35-40K off. Yes; dealers do not like having last year's models still in inventory. However, it's commonplace for it to happen. Buick cars are not in any more demand than any other brand's cars, so I would not be surprised if a higher number were in Buick's inventory. But anytime someone runs into the room and says '52,000 cars they can't even firesale = ridiculously overpriced', I think it's logical to ask for more details than 'that seems to be what I've seen randomly googling around'.

Yet for those that want a deal and do not care about the latest tech in an auto, these are great deals to be had.

For me, usually I see 3rd party places charging me the same cost that Napa or O'Reilly's would charge me as they already get a discount from those parts places buying it at wholesale. Yes some places charge a delivery fee, but for the most part, it should not be more than a few dollars off from you buying the part. If it is more than 1/3rd more than what you pay, they are what is called Keystoning their cost to double it and take a crazy profit.

I think that's his whole point. They still have 2017's because they can't move them unless there are huge discounts. Cars sitting on lots for 1-2 years..it bad.

I couldn't find a more recent LaCrosse article so I figured I'd post my comment here. Buick's website shows their 2019 lineup sans Regal, possibly because it recently got released. I'm sure they'll add the Regal to 2019 sooner than later. At any rate, there are SIX LaCrosse levels to choose from. It was interesting to see that the base model is given an unflattering 1SV designation, as was the case for the decontented Verano as it was on its way out. The base model is something like $29,### and it is only available with a 2.5 L 4 with start-stop, a 6 speed automatic transmission, a choice of 2 exterior colors, and 1 interior trim model. When it's all added up, I believe it priced out at $ 30,495. Not bad for their flagship. BUT ... is this the same 2.5 L 4 that powered the Chevy Malibu in 2013 and 2014? If you want one trim level up, so you can get the 3.6 V6 (it pushes you up to a 9 speed automatic transmission), along with a REAL choice of exterior colors, you will be hitting a MSRP in the mid $37K range. Obviously, there's much more standard equipment in the car, but $7 K is a big jump. I have never read much about the new LaCrosse nor have I driven one. I then proceed to read some consumer reviews. A good many are pleased as punch while some are pissed. They say that noise isn't suppressed as well and the ride isn't as nice as it was in the previous gen LaCrosse which they traded in to get the most recent gen LaCrosse. I like the svelte current gen LaCrosse much more so than the chunky looking last gen LaCrosse. I never warmed up to the last version. However, between the huge price changes with the trim levels, the iffy consumer sound-offs, and the confining high center console, I don't know what to think of this car. I just wish a person could get a more simple one with a 3.6 V6 (one of Ward's Top 10 engines, as we all probably know) and a few colors to pick from with a MSRP of less than $ 37,000. I don't need 9 gears, either.

Amazing how similar all those 1940's cars are. ? Reminds me of what we have now with all the same plain generic appliances we have out there.

Going through my collection of old Life magazines.

weather.com apparently believes "partly cloudy" and "mostly sunny" are 2 different things. The tiny graphics are significantly different, yet those words describe the exact same conditions. - - - - -

this is random with a little time on autotrader and google and not at all uncommon from what i see browsing from time to time http://www.everettbgmc.com/VehicleSearchResults?offer=76455410&search=new&year=2017&make=Buick&model=LaCrosse&trim=all&cs:o=76455410 even without the stupid 'dealer trade discount' that is still fairly typical of what you see if you look around at competitive dealerships

The last 2-3 years the Encore has been Buick's entry model and often is sold at prices around the 20 grand mark....more optioned at 20-25k. I don't have numbers for Buick as a whole but the salesguy I talked to recently at a BGMC dealer said the Encore is by far the most popular (Buick) seller at their dealership. Pricing is the big reason. What that says to me, Buicks cannot support European level pricing. So that's why we have 52,000 LaCrosses that they can't even mark down to 40k and move. So to Balthazar's point go look at just about any Buick dealer website anywhere, the ones that post their prices if they have to mark it off 10 grand off sticker, that's an overpriced sticker. GM's tendency the last few years is then advertise 15, 18, 20, 22, 30% off MSRP in national and regional ads and on their own websites. What the hell more proof do you need. It's ridiculous to say they don't have the incentives they used to. That's wrong, they have just as many or more. They haven't blasted the incentives on the Envision as much on the Buicks until about the last 9-12 months or so. Buick has a huge problem with not selling through their model year inventories. There is always a lot of dealers that have still 2017's that are new. By this time next year there will still be tons of 2018 new Buicks rotting on lots everywhere. Why? TOO HIGH MSRP vs what people willingly pay. Buick's terrible at leasing too. 2018 Regal comes out of the gate with a 24 month residual of less than 50%. What does that tell you. People that analyze the market say the MSRP is too high too! So partially the Encore takes some of Envision's sales if the pricing is too close. When the Encore is cheap, why step up to the Envision if it's 10-15 grand more? Unless you like horrible dash PLOOD. Buick's sales would explode if they created great leasing for all their vehicle lines. Buick is perhaps among the most lease averse brands out there. The Encore and Enclave are the only ones that get good lease support, that's why they sell so well. Admittedly the Enclave is such a good product in such a hot segment that it may not need incentives as much as the rest of Buick. But the Encores are heavily subsidized.

GM's strategy on everything the last few years and surely for awhile back even now is to pump up the MSRP's to ridiculous levels compared to the competition and incentivize the hell out of them. Gives the marketing types a reason to keep their jobs, keep changing the incentives twice a month, between regions. They can sit and look at sales spreadsheets on their office computer screens while they sip their mochas. "Oh this month we need to move the GMC Sierras!". and then 'all Sierras 22% off MSRP!' And the other models sit and rot on the lots until they get their turn at special month of incentives. The way Cadillac is going, it may be the next to go, and then we will be glad that Buick is the last remaining premium GM car brand.....because of how well Buick does in China.

According to green car reports in Aug '17, CA is ranked 48th in public chargers vs. their EV pool. You'd think with their pushing they'd be in the top 5- so they have a LONG way to go in that fundamental infrastructure step. Ignoring it and implementing an IC ban is a reciepe for mass calamity.

GM is getting what it deserves. Build it here, you morons. The only thing "idiotic" is the idea that a Buick should be built anywhere else but the USA. Or at least North America... at the VERY LEAST. Yes, the Buick Envision is a completely invisible product with no design flair, nothing at all special to distinguish it as a Buick... it is a cheap Chinese knock-off of a "Buick" and I said that from the moment I saw it. Also I GUARANTEE you that between its forgettable design and execution, PLUS the fact it is widely known to be an "All-American" Buick made in CHINA are YUGE reasons why it is not selling well. Duh.

The thing is detergents as a whole have been steadily reduced over the years as engines have become more themerally efficient and get closer to complete combustion.

So you're saying we're both plaiting our hair but we're starting from opposite corners of the room?

Then Pontiac would have also been selling 1.4 and 1.5 litre turbo cars too, to bow to the gods of CAFE like Chevy has had to. Lots of CVT equipped next ever G6's...... May have been best that Pontiac was let to die rather than the 'first ever G2' crossover....... or more Vibes