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The LC is probably way more reliable and cheaper to maintain in the long run... Probably just means production started in 2007 for the 2008 model year...

Well, I am glad somebody else is buying new then! I NEVER, EVER, buy a new car and it is not a matter of affordability but one of value. The current car -- a 2014 CTS VSport Premium -- was bought in 2017 with 26K miles on it for $33K. Its new sticker price was $73K. The previous car, a 2011 Jaguar XF 5.0 Supercharged was bought in 2013 as a CPO for $40K, it was a $68K car new. The car before that was arguably the best value. It was a 2005 C55 AMG bought in 2008 at the depth of the recession with 24K miles on it for $26K it stickered for $60K new -- I put 90K miles on it. The other cars in the familty, a 2017 Acura MDX Advanced Pkg SH-AWD was recently acquired for $40K with 22K miles on the clock, beating an as new price of $58K, and the 2015 GMC Terrain SLT was acquired with 17K miles in 2017 for $18K and it stickered for $28K new. The point is that you save a lot of money by avoiding the first 2~3 years of horrendous depreciation. Regardless of your income, value is value. Trust me, rich people do not get or stay rich by throwing money away when they don't have to. Buying used cars and used homes are some of the best things you can do for your finances regardless of how much you make and how much you want to spend on your car. (I am not going to tell you exactly how much we make, but we paid Uncle Sam and the People's Republic of California in excess of $160K in taxes last year).

If somebody isn't buying new, you won't get to buy it used.

The argument of value of new vs used car can NEVER be won. Give me one example where for the price of new car you can not buy something better used? It is smart to get the best for your money which in most cases is a used car but for comparison sake it is an invalid argument.

Well, it definitely looks the part of heavy duty. It also looks far better than the Silverado HD but then again the Silvi is the most hideous looking pick up in a world still occupied but the Nissan Titan.

And, buying a 2~4 year old car as a CPO or used vehicle DIRECTLY props up residual values and DIRECTLY lowers the lease rates. Lease rate = (New Price + dealer profit - Residual value - manufacturer's incentives) * effective contractual interest / months of lease term Ever notice that cars which nobody wants on the used market are also those that are very expensive to lease or are money losers for the manufacturer or both?

Take it easy there old timer. My wife too, has high blood pressure. Its been about 5 months she's been taking pills. Doctors think its hereditary. She thinks its me.

Be careful Blu, you and I might not agree on EVs, but I would miss you if you popped a fuel line and checked out way too early! Take care, hit the gym and get #SpartanStrong my friend! ?️‍♂️

Personally, I would take this Land Cruiser in a heartbeat over the G-class (which starts at about $125k)

A 2019 EVO vs WRX comparison would be great if the EVo had stayed in production...but it didn't. My point on new vs used was that 48 K was a ton of scratch for a new Imprezza. how is this...new to new...at 48 grand for the special edition in question...you are approaching Shelby Mustang or Vette Money for a 4 cylinder econobox?

Speaking of a bunch of old guys arguing about cars... ocnblu spent 4 hours in the ER last night, after a 24 hour bout with spiked blood pressure and resting pulse rate. Home today resting, starting on blood pressure medicine. God I hate pills.

Pinto Sold for eighteen gran d at Barret Jackson... https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1974-FORD-PINTO-HATCHBACK-224920

Call me a bit 90s here, but I would rather build a fast car than buy one... Much more fun to drive when they are custom.......

Not really. We get the good stuff. Maybe not the super special one-off Japanese or German sporty stuff, but we get most of it. We did not get the Skylines or the Euro spec only BMW M3 from 1992 or 1993 and other cool stuff, granted. But hey, we got to produce our own cool stuff. The Prowler, The SSr. V8 FWD cars like in Northstar powered Olds, Pontiacs and Caddys and LT1 based 5.3 liter WBody cars. All kinds of pick-up tuck stuff. The Fusion Sport is kinda cool. The Buick Regal GS is kinda cool. The Tesla Model 3 is kinda cool. All Cadillac V Series cars are kinda cool. All the Hemi stuff is kinda cool. Hellcat, Scatpack or even just the regular V8 Charger... The Ford ST and RS stuff is kinda cool. I know we just bashed some of that just now, but those cars are still kinda cool though. Its just that we like to look down on our stuff and over value the foreign stuff... We also produce the good stuff and we consume it in excess. Mustangs, Corvettes, Raptors, V10 Dodge Rams, Chevrolet 454 SS pick-up trucks, Typhoons, Syclones, Scatpack and Hellcat Challengers and Chargers and Trailhawks and off roading Wranglers... There are other good stuff that we just dont consume and let it die off and then we only miss it when its gone... Pontiac G8s, Pontiac GTOs, Pontiac Trans Ams, Cadillac CTS V Wagons, Chevrolet SSs and RWD Chevrolet Impalas and Caprices, and the like.. All V8s you say? Well, there was never anything wrong with a Cavalier Z24, Pontiac Grand Am Quad 4, Olds Calais 442, Beretta GTZ, Cobalt SS, Pontiac Fiero V6, FWD W-Body 3.8liter supercharged cars, per se. OK...some of those engines could have been a tad more gasket problem free... We also think that the grass is greener on the other side and wish we got some forbidden fruit our way, yet, other places, ironically, think that way about our stuff and its our stuff to them that is their forbidden fruit... The Ford Mustang is finally sold all over the world and its selling like there is no tomorrow. Our old skool Cadillacs and muscle cars are being restored and sent over to Europe(Finland, Sweden, Norway) the Middle East, in record numbers...

Because... #1 Americans weren't really into Kamikaze AWD Superhero Sport Compacts. #2 The WRX STi is no longer particularly high performance in today's context.

Holy mother of pickup trucks

White with the Black Chrome Grill AT4 looks very Sharp!

I still think it was pathetic of Mercedes to wait decades to give it a reasonable update. Not like they didn’t have the money. ?

Actually, yes it does! It does no tmatter how long you keep the car. It applies to you the first 3 years you had the car. Yes, you have lower annual depreciation costs from year 4 to year 10. But you will always average out worse than the guy who only foot year 4 to year 10 depreciation. Let's do the math... Buy a $70K car new, keep for 10 years and sell it for $10K. You lose $60K total, burning a average of $6K a year. Buy a $70k car used at $40K, keep it for 7 years and sell it for $10K. You lose $30K at an average rate of $4.3K a year. You are spending 39.5% more money on an annual basis. And, these numbers are about right for an Acura which retains 57% of value over 3 years. It gets worse if you buy a car that depreciates more.

I know that but he was touting it long before the 2019 came out and never once did he call it “pathetic” that Mercedes had not updated it. That is my point, which I thought was pretty obvious.

We will always have plenty of peeps to LEASE New, so we have our CPO options!

I don't own a CTS V; I own a CTS VSport. Big difference there. 420hp 3.6TT vs 640hp 6.2SC. The Jag was a 5.0SC with 470hp, but it is a heavier car and it's 424 lb-ft isn't exactly a a lot. It doesn;t feel faster and it actually isn't faster.

Demand doesn't really work that way. Demand for new cars is a summation of all buyers' desire and ability to buy or lease it new. But that desire and ability is also affected -- and in no small part -- by the residual demand and hence value as a used vehicle. This DIRECTLY affects lease rates and heavily influences the desirability of brands. Trust me, a BIG part of the reason somebody bought a Camry or RAV4 is how much he believes it'll be worth in 3 to 5 years. At least 30% of the cars Toyota sold they probably sold because people believe (correctly) that Toyotas have one of the highest value retention rates amongst all the manufacturers. So, whether you are buying new or used, you are contributing to the demand for the brand, model and type of vehicle you buy. However, if there is relatively speaking a high resale value but weak new sales for a particular model, manufacturers should conclude that their product is overpriced for the demographics they are targeting with it. Again, not rocket science is it?

I'm right there with you @dwightlooi I've never bought a new vehicle and honestly never plan to out of value as well but I do know that enthusiasts always ask for these specific cars and then when automakers cancel them for poor sales.."we" wonder why. And all the crazy SUV/CUV boom, enthusiasts seem to hate but they refuse to buy new stuff to actually influence automakers. We essentially have no voice in the market yet we care the most about the market..

2019 G Wagen 550: 13/17/14 (city/highway/comb) 2019 Land Cruiser: 13/18/15 (city/highway/comb) Miles per gallon.

There was a lot of "copy" / "paste" going on for a lot of vehicle, though yes it is much improved.

Plus it is more spacious inside and probably more comfortable on-road and off. Off-road wise I bet it is at least as good G-wagon, or maybe even more capable.

I’m guessing, by your Toyota logic, that Mercedes was also strapped for cash (and similarly pathetic)...for four decades? I see some things haven’t changed around here. Fanboys will always be fanboys, even when logic is completely thrown out the window.

Don’t forget an absolutely insane resale value for the LC. Insane what even twenty year old models fetch with 250+K miles on them.

Says the fan of the recently updated, after four decades, G-Wagon. Even if money were no object, I’d still take a Land Cruiser over any G-Wagon. Even if their looks are a little dated, they are still built like tanks and will literally run forever with normal maintenance. I see someone beat me to the punch lol.

Yes, mild cosmetic updates...don't think there has been any substantive hardware updates?

Very Valid comparison as a Smart buyer Should evaluate a new auto and price versus what they can get in the CPO market and decide if the new over CPO is worth it to them. Honestly hard to justify buying a new auto anymore.

I do also....and also take blood pressure meds. We are of that age... Glad you are OK>.

I wouldn't say there hasn't been an update...

I'll take the Chevy LT Z71 2500 HD. I love the retro, heritage-inspired front end on it.

In my humble opinion. To me, all full sized pick-up trucks the last few years are all ugly. Dont matter if Toyota, FoMoCo, Nissan, Chevy, GMC or Dodge. I dont mind a little in your face, testosterone filled machoness in a very masculine oriented market niche, but what we got going on lately is a tad overboard. Hey, this is how I feels about it. In no way do I wanna stop the industry to stop this styling. Because obviously I am very much so in the minority to feel that way. So I could understand if somebody wants to set me straight and call me out of touch with reality and that I dont know what Im talking about. And Im fine with that if someone does say that to me. Its just that...well, this is how I see things how pick-up truck styling has become...in human terms... We are bordering on the ridiculous. Like I said...in my humble opinion.

? I feel for you. That is rough having high fever. You could literally not do anything. Even just tucked into bed is an energy sapping activity. Rest well. Eat well (if you can) and drink lots of liquids. Hope you get better soon!

Really? I'm not a fan on this one.

This, except the AT4, is an effing beauty queen compared to the 2020 Silverado HD

I wonder how high it is from the pavement to the top of the hood? 6 feet? This thing looks so tall it needs a forward vision camera to see pedestrians, small cars, small buildings, etc in front of it... From a design perspective, it is different than the Chevy, not sure if it's better or not...it's very busy. And the grille surround seems disjointed. Too many details.

Here we go again comparing new vs used and apples vs oranges ...

This is one of the finest products to come out of FCA in years. They really should have made plans from the start to make additional vehicles off this platform.

1 YEAR VANNIVERSARY! over 17,000 trouble free miles. Have fixed two tires for screws in both, maybe i better consider getting a spare. Had a couple recalls done along the way. The Apple Carplay is not working now after a phone update. Shop says unpair phones and retry. Haven't gotten that to work yet. Aside from this, Carplay was working almost flawlessly, especially compared to the Malibu I drive, where it only works 1/2 the time. This could be the best vehicle we have had. The nerdiness of a minivan eats at me when i drive it, but as far as vans go, its the most stylish, and IMO the nicest drive. It's a shame there is not a large crossover and large sedan on this chassis as well. Not everyone wants a Jeep or Ram, tell that Sergio up in the clouds. The pentastar v6 is AWESOME, GM only wishes their 3.6 was as smooth and responsive. Gas mileage in normal weather and normal 10% ethanol tainted gas is 22-24 combined everyday driving. On trips 25 is easy to get, we have gotten 27, 28, and 30 also. Even loaded, the van has balls and cruises effortlessly and passes well, north of 70 mph. The 9 speed tranny will rarely engage 9th, but miracles do happen and it does sometimes. That actually makes a diff on FE. The twist knob is quite functional and space efficient in a van, but i admit a small gearshift lever would be my preference, if it were a daily driver. They need to add some way to enable manual gear control. I think the console works ok but wish it had 4 cupholders in front and I wish the whole console was a bit more practical. Still, not egregious. The fold down armrests are nice, but again for a daily driver I would prefer a typical full console and nice big wide armrests. The front seats are really comfy and supportive and fit my wideness quite well. The opposite is the case in my Malibu, which has flimsy, narrow, insubstantial seats (with a lumbar bag that cuts into your back). The rear sto N go are indeed a compromise for seats when it comes to adults, but if we get another of these I may look at the 8 passenger config, which has a full armrest between the seats and would add a lot of comfort back into the second row. The Sto N go is totally worth it, you may only use it a few times, but when you do the small tradeoff in seat comfort is worth it for the cargo flexibility. The main screen and UConnect is large and looks great and is easier to use than the GM stuff I've been in recently including my Malibu. Something egregious is that the seat and steering wheel heat controls are only on the screen. They really do need to have their own buttons on the dash. The Autostop works well, it waits just a bit when stopped before it shuts off. ANd its much quieter about that, stopping and starting, again than the Malibu. Plus, having the switch on the dash to turn off the Autostop is AWESOME. I use that 30-50% of the time. I felt guilty getting it, and I didn't think we needed it, but the huge moonroof is AWESOME. It's been flawless and it really brightens up the inside of the car. The shade part does a great job blocking the sun when you don't want it. I'm spoiled now, I really wish my car had this big moonroof. Now I am thinking a Regal TourX with the big moonroof over a sportback with the small roof may be the way to go. Really sucks it seems like they are trying to kill off Chrysler........

Stephen King is just so funny with his Twitter play on his take of DC. Copied this off the Mashable web page. 6,743 people are talking about this

Co0part Superbird https://www.copart.com/lot/47786208

Still terrible. 101 fever Monday lesser fever Tuesday. Just out of it. Expect to stay home all week.