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Cactus Grey looks fantastic on the new Bronco.

Sorry David. ZETA is hogwash! This 'protest' is a 100% pure 'millennials' type of tantrum. Rivian, Uber, Tesla, Lordstown, Lucid, Faraday Future... yes...yes...the US military...ALL branches...use phoquing petrol to power ALL war machines. News phoquing flash...ALL militaries of the WORLD use phoquing petrol to power all of their war machines. I have a feeling ZETA's protest is more of a sinister one rather than what they say is for the "best interest of the country". Its because its hypocritical in nature... Its because none of the so called electric car makers got THE contract so they are sulking no fair... Faraday Future has conned the public with a phantom vehicle...that was supposed to have been on sale 3 phoquing years ago. How the phoque will THEY provide a vehicle for the US government? Lucid has just announced yet another "go on sale" extension for their EV... How the phoque will THEY provide a vehicle for the US government? Lordstown and Rivian. These guys are just getting started and are on the cusp of selling their first models to the people. No recent delays...just yet. Lordstown's pickup truck is unproven in the real world with their new tech... As is Rivian's. Considering that GM/Ford and Dodge sell close to 3 million units of pick-up trucks/year...AND FoMoco and GM have annnounced their very OWN EV pick-ups, are we sure Lordstown and Rivian will make it to year 2 or 3? Id like to see investor's pour billions into these two companies as they did with Tesla to keep them alive JUST like they do with Tesla... Problem is...where will all this phoquing money come from to keep these two alive IF the public wont buy into Rivian and Lordstown trucks? Its bad enough that investor's KEEP on giving Tesla billions... Like Balthy said...its a GOVERNMENT project that NEEDS to be VIABLE LONG TERM... Want proof? WW2 and the Willys JEEP. The government gave FoMoCo the rights to build it as it had the know-how, and capacity to mass produce the JEEP reliably, cheaply and would NOT go under during a war... Tesla? They got sooooooo many projects going on now, with different delays on EACH and EVERY one of them...how COULD the government trust Tesla to deliver these on time? Reliably? Every single product launch Tesla has made...Tesla has botched. With the possible exemption of the Model Y. The Roadster 2.0 is delayed. The Cybertruck is said to be different than the concept we saw. Tesla just announced a so called 'real' sub 30 000 dollar EV, which the Model 3 was ORIGINALLY... Like Balthy said... Its a government project. Cost effective it MUST be...and we ALL know that government projects are NEVER BELOW or even AT the initial estimates....is the US government going to KNOWINGLY award a contract like this to a company that KNOWINGLY goes OVER the initial estimates? And lastly... Oshkosh SAID that THEIR postal truck WILL be a BATTERY ELECTRIC vehicle. It will also be ICE only. It will also be a hybrid. BUT...it will also be BATTERY ELECTRIC only too... Its VERY disingenuous of ZETA to cry like this... NOT the other way around. And you know what? Oshkosh vehicles are KNOWN to be very reliable and durable in extreme situations. They have a LOOOOONG history of producing vehicles... There is nothing wrong with Oshkosh winning this contract. PS: I forgot to mention UBER. Uber is a most rotten, corrupt company that I have ever known in my 48 years of life... Uber skirts all kinds of different country's tax laws and taxi regulations. They do NOT pay their driver's a decent wage... ANY organization that has THEM as a partner...and I distrust THAT organization IMMEDIATELY!!!

I used to work for a company that did refrigeration and HVAC work for DG. I have been paid to drive a ton of Ohio back roads getting to them. Was not a bad gig. Stupidity knows no season... Inspired by the Hocky mask of a serial killer in a horror movie, we set out to modify out pickup truck and kill its resale value... He doesn't have a fetish for short men with a thing for sheep.....pretty simple explanation.... I am on a 40's and 50's car binge altely...pic from Casablanca with a car, just for kicks...

So; this :

These are the toughest of people to deal with ... the ones who think they know everything but really "don't know how much they don't know" ... a keeper of an expression!

Sometimes I let my freak flag fly, somethings just can’t be explained. The fwd and transverse engine goes against my beliefs, but I dig the styling and that it’s a 2dr Ht. Very unique.

Essense, ST package, AWD. It was the best blend of features and price for us. It came with the black 20" wheels with the ST package. I would have LOVED the 20" silver wheels that are an option of the Essense, but it looks like GM is not making those yet. You either get the Avenir with those specific Avenir 20's...you get the Black ST 20's, or the 18's.

if i could just figure out how to make this brown, and put a diesel hybrid AWD powertrain in it with manual transmission, add some cladding, jack it up, add some arbitrary swoopy windows and fender flares, and then we'd have the ultimate category killer, AWD diesel hybrid manual crossover coupe minivan.

https://jalopnik.com/the-holy-grail-of-gm-minivans-was-never-sold-in-the-u-s-1841977990 "We all know what Chrysler’s coolest minivan is: the turbo, manual first-gen Dodge Caravan. We all know Ford’s coolest minivan: the rear-wheel drive, manual transmission Ford Aerostar. And we all know that GM’s most interesting people-movers were the “Dustbuster” minivans. Except the Holy Grail variant of those was never sold stateside."

Lease ended on 2018 Pacifica. Apart from looking at the Traverse and Enclave, made the seriously easy decision to re-up on a 2021 Pacifica Limited all wheel drive. Ridiculous incentives made it possible for a great deal, and we totally loved our 2018. Sorry GM but your GM Card top off was not much extra incentive. 20 INCH wheels on a van? Thank you STELLANTIS.

No prob. It's a contract to build / supply parts for, and that component lasts 10 yrs. How long they are 'designed to last' I haven't read, but a good supplier should always under-promise & over-deliver. I would hope the bar is raised from the Grumman's to at least 40 years, but I doubt the Fed is thinking in that direction when there's so many 'wrongs to right'. These upstart BEV company's are the equivalent of a kid's lemonade stand vs. McDonalds. Or: [Like that one? Made it myself!]

We of course every advocacy board wants a fat revenue stream so they can set up layers upon layers of administration and bureaucracy. And get custom letterheads. But it's not REMOTELY "sad" that a intended 25-yr old vehicle gets stretched an even further 9 years- THAT'S where you make gravy on your contract (as the buyer). You misread again. The prior contract was 1987-1994 to build that fleet. They were well engineered enough to last up to 34 years so far, but not only is the new contract going to TAKE 10 years to build/replace the current ones, I see no start date for the new contract! That means the current Grummans may be FIFTY years old before finally retired. The current contract is how long the increasingly inefficient Gov't is allowing them to build the same quantity of vehicles it took 8 years to build before. In other words, it allows a 25% LESS efficient contractor. [OK, there's some more (largely unnecessary) tech and they're larger vehicles... but "SIMPLER POWERTRAINS" (on the BE's), ammirte?]

Actually up 34% vs. a year ago (total industry was down 6%). Which was still off the peak set in 2018. Report says Mustang Mach-E was responsible for almost 100% of Tesla's market share PERCENTAGE loss, but Ford only built 6700 units in 2020. Lo-ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong way to go

How laughably out-of-touch with reality. I wonder if ZETA has any concept of how many petroleum products are in a given BEV?? Struggling, flighty, upstart companies are not fit for long-term Gov't contract work. God; look no further than Tesla. Long-term viability is a key factor in infrastructure evaluations. Imagine the same backlash against not allowing upstart construction companies to get contracts to build major highways bridge spans or commercial aircraft. They're also not going to be able to come remotely close to being competitively priced.

The Bronco looks very good as a base model. Which is the one I would want, because it comes with steel wheels, which are easily repaired if they are damaged off road.

I like that color, along with Area 51 which looks a lot like TRD blue.

The 2022 Kia Sedona looks pretty sharp.

"Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the beak" - Mike Tyson

Buick show vehicles...

2021 Kia Sedona US version ~

Cora's first snow 45666.3gp Cora crashed after playing. ? Wonder if she got into the Dessert wines?

Seen three accidents today...spring must be almost here.....

Its not unusual... (wink wink) But Ill tell you one thing, the first sign of a dead dove and Im playing this song 24/7 turned up to 11...

IMO, Pontiac's full-sizers were on the downside of their peak after '66, tho there are still ones I definitely like. Like this '68 Catalina; it really makes the painted bumpers work here:

^ Your undying fascination with that turd is indefensible.

Too bad the Renault Avantime was never sold here—talk about in a category of its own—2dr hardtop coupe luxury minivan...

Which Trim Level? Any added features/amenities? Which color? FWD or AWD?

First picture is the actual first drive on Mars!

Top measuring tape is made by someone with dyslexia Very sad no matter who the maker is to have new auto's get hit due to a stupid semi truck driver. Wonder where this moron was that he thought he could block the tracks. Wonder how much damage was on the train.

How come oldshurst442 never calls me "mon cher ami"?

Moi aussi. J'ai toujours voulu visiter Montréal et Berthiersville (je veux voir le musée Gilles Villeneuve).

I only had a dog as a teen, providing 12 years of joy through college and entering the workforce. She was 35 pound, natural dock tailed, blue merle Australian Shepherd. (This is obviously a faded photo.) She far exceeded what I could have hoped for in being a smart, fun, and loyal pet. Is it any wonder I'm stuck on the idea of getting a Miniature Australian Shepherd? Also, there is no dog versus cat scenario for me. I prefer a dog but there are a fair number of cats with great personalities out there.

Bientot mon cher ami.

^ that reminds of DGs I've seen in areas of rural Ohio...outside small towns, in the middle of nowhere I've seen DGs..and the Misny billboard is definitely a Cleveland staple.

Will stop posting car pics as I ahve to go home, finish my laundry, and deal with some repairs and issues around the house. But I really like the pre 55 post war GM cars...this is damn near perfect.

And brown.

New Connect 5.0 with 10 inch screen is quite impressive and amazing. Took delivery Friday wife had it all yesterday...I haven't even driven it yet. grrrr

Interesting that the 2021 Kia Minivan reminds me of the Pontiac. ? I do wonder how well this would sell here if they brought it from China, built in America and sold the Buick Luxury Minivan. Seems to be a very popular executive transport auto in China. Interior is very Nice I have to say. First Buick Avenir model is a China-only minivan (motorauthority.com)