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The dash of the last Riv reminds me a bit of the original Riv...it had a prominent console and center stack and leaned back dash, big gauges, etc...

Yes. I also remember how nice the sweep of the dash is, and I liked the circular gauges and how they lean back. The last Riv's exterior was a little strange from some angles, but, from the inside, I think I would have liked being its pilot.

The Challenger Demon with 770 ft/lb of torque gets by with a ZF 8spd auto. As far as aftermarket GM product, the Hennessy Exorcist has a stock 10 spd auto with 800+ ft/lb tq.

Not ‘burnt down’; burnt out motor. ?

^ True- the COPO's aren't street legal. But they are factory-built, and the same engines are factory-available for installation in your burnt-out Model S. More to the point; its a factory-built powertrain that goes 8's in the quarter- even in a street-legal car it should be in the 9s no problem.

With a tried & true Turbo HydraMatic 400 3-spd, this rig is solid in the 8's :

This was definitely random. I was looking at photos in the review of the new Kia K5 and saw photos of the last Riv in another link. I miss interiors and cabins like this. A lot.

Not useable F150 EV will have MORE trims Not useable. The bed is an awkward thing... If you cant see that, I cant help you It does NOT have more capability. YOU mentioned the Wrangler. And YES...its a toy! Yes...I said its a toy... I said its a BETTER, faster, bigger, MORE INSANE toy than the Cybertruck... Sure...its got a CULT following. Hummer EV will have an INSANE MSRP. More expensive than the Cybertruck. Must be better because bigger price tag? THAT is usually YOUR go to argument... NOT more capable. Its a toy. A toy that will sell (if it ever get to go on sale) ONLY to rabid Tesla fanbois. That will last 1 year, 2 years tops. The rest of the EV pick-up truck market will go to the F150 EV, Rivian, GM twins... No it doesnt. Cybertruck is VAPORWARE. NO Cybertruck has EVER been offroading. Just cult words from cult master Musk. You are a liar about the C8 that nobody could make it hook up right. All kinds of mis-information there with just 17 words... And again...that would be the BASE C8...with ONLY 495 HP and 490 ft/lbs of torque... And yet...its but a fraction off... the Cybertruck's times... GM beats Audi in a heart beat in ANY category... YOU are just a self hatin' American. I cant help you with that delusion. Sorry. The Corvette has always competed well against the 911. Its a back and forth battle since 1963. If you cant see that. Ill repeat: YOU are just a self hatin' American. I cant help you with that delusion. Sorry. Whatever excuse you are going to use to against my Corvette/911 argument...you can use it on yourself here... Its about time, doncha think? But as with GM losing 800 million, lets see how the year ends. Im will to bet that GM makes 2 billion and Tesla is back losing money again... Stop being such a self hating American...

It take exponential HP/TRQ to get that quick. A 808/770 car going 9.6 CANNOT go 8.6 with -say-909/870. I'd bet that COPO Camaro in the 8s is packing over 1050/1000. My brother's Firebird ran 9.6-9.8 with a just-under 700hp 406CI (car much lighter than a Challenger). His new motor dyno'd at just over 1100, the calculation (in the same car) puts it in the 8.4-8.5 range. That's 400 HP to gain a sec+ at the 8-9 sec range. Look at the Tesla Plaid- has hit in the very low 9s (unknown to what degree it was modified). That car stock is rated at 1020 total HP (COPO Camaro would be WAY lighter). Of course- the Tesla has no transmission (and AWD). With the TRQ peak at X RPM, factoring in the gears & traction... it's a significant and brutal load on a trans. Prudent move is to start with the strongest base. There's a very real reason the COPO went with the TH400 (hint: it wasn't laziness and they aren't using up a stockpile of 33+-yr old transmissions). If I recall correctly; the Challenger was built around the ZF trans, which I'm seeing has a TRQ limit of... 770 lb-ft. ?

We already DO know that all trucks mentioned will be a better product than a Cybertruck. Elon Musk billed the Cybertruck as a re-invention of the pick-up truck. And as he was showing the Cybertruck, its very obvious that the Cyrbertruck is NOT a re-invention of the conventional pick-up truck. Its a TOY. Ill get back to THAT later. The other trucks Rivian and Ford 150EV, minus the GMC Hummer EV, all showed us what and how EV pick-up trucks SHOULD be. In the regard of the Cybertruck being a traditional pick-up truck, it FAILED. If anything, FORD has re-invented the EV pick-up truck! THAT makes it a better EV pick-up truck. I said the Cybertruck is more of a toy. Well...had GMC NOT given us a HUMMER EV, Id be inclined to say...yeah! Tesla has given us a fan-TA-stic EV truck as its a unique offering, its EV and its a toy. THIS is what toys are all about! HOWEVER...GMC has given us the HUMMER EV... The HUMMER EV is a more shocking offering. Faster, bigger. MORE arrogant! Freedom mode. Crawl mode. Its INSANE! Therefore, even as a toy, the Cybertruck falls short... Its in 2nd place. There are more fans of the HUMMER brand than there are rabid Tesla fanbois. HUMMER has ALL the folk that bought Hummers 20 years ago. HUMMER has even got the green people on board as it IS an electric vehicle... HUMMER might NOT have the Tesla cult followers. But that is OK. HUMMER has got the folk that look at the Cybertruck and laugh at it! HUMMER has even got the folk that swear that they will NEVER part with their DIESEL HD pick-up trucks, but JUST the way the HUMMER looks and with FREEDOM mode "AMERICA PHOQUE YEAH!!!, HUMMER has WON these guys over... Tesla has got excellent EV powertrains and batteries. GM with the HUMMER EV has shown that GM is equal to Tesla. Ford with the Mach E has ALSO shown that Ford is equal to Tesla. More products to come from both GM and Ford... Porsche and Audi have fallen short. Really really short with their offerings that are rivals to Tesla's Model S. But Porsche is not a company that likes losing. As seen with the 911 and what Porsche engineering is all about the last 20-30 years, I wouldnt be counting out Porsche so soon if I were you... GM has been in the EV game since the mid-1990s... NOT their first merry-go round with EVs. The Bolt 1st generation was an excellent effort. A REAL attempt for an AFFORDABLE EV for the masses. The Bolt is simply NOT the same type of EV as the Model S or Model 3. The Bolt is the equivalent of an entry level, compact car. Both Model 3 and Model S are more like sports sedans. Enthusiast vehicles rather than utilitarian. Teslas in general are more geared for enthusiast purposes rather than utilitarian. Apples to oranges. EV nerds buy Teslas but most of these nerds are more akin to being boring Toyota and Lexus clientele rather than ultimate driving machine adrenaline junkies... The fact that Tesla EVs gives them a rush is mind boggling to me as these idiots also advocate for self-driving cars... The Mach E was ALSO an excellent 1st effort. It resides in the same realm of Tesla as the Mach E is more of an enthusiast offering. Smack right in between the Model Y and the Model X. And by Ford showing us how the F150 EV will be spec wise, Tesla's advantage of having excellent EV powertrains and batteries is now not so much of a big gap anymore... NOT in a good way... Wrangler sells well because its got a history that dates back to 1939... and it won a war. It won SEVERAL wars... And MANY folk LOVED that about it. And then the marketing machine really kicked in and did its thing and the Wrangler has got a cult following like no other. There are 2 other 4x4s that RIVAL the Wrangler. HUMMER and Bronco. Hummer is an EV while the Bronco is not. Dont matter...Ford has another 4x4 that has a cult following... Its F150...and it WILL be an EV... To say that Ford and GM couldnt compete with Tesla is just...naive.

We don't know those other trucks will be better than the Cybertruck. I don't see GM, Ford or Rivian making a better EV car/SUV than Tesla, and really Porsche hasn't either for that matter either. Tesla knows EV's, I don't think it is so safe to assume that Ford or GM come out with what is basically their 2nd EV effort (after Bolt and Mustang Mach-E) and beat Tesla. Also all those other EV pickups will look the same, the Tesla will stand out, and it will be like how the Wrangler sells well because it is different and there are 10 similar mid-size SUVs out there that all look basically the same.

This is my plan for my 1994 GMC Suburban SLE from ICE to BEV with a Huge FRUNK and modernization where I deem while keeping it clean and pretty much looking original 1994 to a point. I love projects like this and respect you for wanting old to be kept old or hot rodded, but I like taking old and adding 21st century to it. Very excited for GM Electric Connect Cruise solutions that are coming. Especially the tri motor 1000HP crate solution. As per this story, The Chevrolet Performance eCrate Is Here to Make Electric Drivetrain Swaps Easier Than Ever (thedrive.com) Quote: Chevrolet Performance is even certifying dealerships and aftermarket companies as Electric Connect Cruise and Connect installers, making sure that they'll have the right training and equipment to work on these kits. Michigan's Lingenfelter Performance Engineering—as in, the fast Corvette people—will be the first company to test out the new certification program.

Mostly true. One could argue tho, that a motor vehicle is a pretty huge expense... making it a leading candidate for a different type of recycling :

As with any appliance, a burnt out motor means it’s time for recycling and replace with a new appliance.

Just bolt a Gear Vendors OD unit out the back; keep the bulletproof strength of the TH400 and add 3 more gears. Done. Most modern OD’s wouldn’t handle the TRQ of a 572.

Burnt Telsas usually melt down and aren't reparable, presumably because they are aluminum and the batteries burn pretty fiercely.... As far as that COPO Camaro, would be neat if they could make a street legal version of that car, something like the Hellcat Demon... but with a modern transmission (a 3spd auto wouldn't make sense on the street, it's not 1969).

That's a novelty for drag racing, though...not a real world daily driver type car like the Model S or Taycan.

A perfect example of the bizarro world that is known as the used car market. This my Flex right now, private party value. I paid $12,500 for it 18 months ago.

Plus i love the simple layout of it as well….

That graph takes some translating but from what I’ve seen from multiple articles on this is that the biggest issue with EV vs. ICE is the up front cost, ie EVs cost more to buy. Aside from that, there is no comparison when it comes to maintenance costs (again, Tesla’s stupid prices not withstanding).

Comfy!

Good thing they are no longer the only EV player in town because their constant price jumps are just dumb beyond words.

Will Competition Destroy Tesla? Apparently... not from this quarter :

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