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Of course- to each his own. I find them inconsistent, overwrought and disharmonious. [goes off to look for one he likes...]4 points
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Perhaps, but a Ferrari is still going to handle corners better than an EV truck or even something like a Model S, because Ferrari can build that car from carbon fiber and lightweight materials and undercut other EV's on weight. And they can digitize the sound, it's lame but cars pump in fake sound now with gas engines, no reason they can't do it on an EV. And it will still be a Ferrari, and the Ferrari name makes it worth 100 grand more than other cars.3 points
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30 years ago, I might have felt different but my current design tastes just do not jive with what Ferrari is offering. Okay so that might taking it a bit far.3 points
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Not mine, from a FB group. Bog oak, love the wood. Good get. I am debating about speakers at the moment. I really like the Magnepan LRS at $650, but really want to play with Tube amps. Not sure if I like something like the Klipsch heresy speaker enough to dump a grand or two into a used pair. Time will tell, not in a hurry to do anything soon.3 points
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The looming, unspoken 'industry shaker' is coming down the pike, and it is this: RE Ferrari and applicable to Tesla- once a GMC Hummer is as quick as a Ferrari & Tesla, what happens to those brands, their image & valuation? A Ferrari isn't luxurious, it isn't comfortable, it has zero utility... it's al about the image, the look, the visceral performance and the sound. Well, once everybody is electric (if that ever happens), there goes any differentiating visceral performance and that Ferrari sound. What's left is the look (and frankly; there's dozens of exotic-look cars out there)... is that enough to still warrant being 100 grand higher than more pedestrian cars? Exotic and ultra-high performance cars have image because their performance is world's better than the 'common rabble' That characteristic is coming to an end.3 points
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This never gets old...I may have posted this before but....it never gets old... For Oldshurst...3 points
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Not my personal sub, but it will move some air...3 points
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So glad I am not in the dating scene.3 points
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• Half of my truck is aluminum (tailgate, hood, all 4 doors). • A ferrari with enough batteries to beat a Tesla will weigh 4500 lbs. They’re already made mostly of plastics, alum, FG & CF- smk talks about them like they’re all-steel bodies now. I’m a connoisseur of Good Taste.2 points
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David being overly dramatic:2 points
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See, I just don't see that "beauty". I'm with Balth. That "beauty" is a mess several different design cues going on with most of their cars these days. Just way over done and no real cohesion to me.2 points
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The Heresy speakers by Klipsch and the Magnepan LRS I was talking about are both built in the USA, the Magnepans in Minnesota and the Klipsch heresy in Arkansas. Klipsch has been building that speaker in the US since the 50's or 60's, continuously. ...now just make it four door electric SUV....just busting your chops. Like this and the Mach E! He sounds like he is as much of a pack rat as you and I. Will get back to you...2 points
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Still a mess but to be honest, I have never been crazy about any Ferrari in the last 40 years and even if I had the dough, I wouldn't buy one because I don't want to invest in cases of fire extinguishers.2 points
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Chris, one thing to consider is that Magnavox from the 80's were commercial grade speakers sold at retail to help pump up their volume. They were bought and still owned by Philips in 1974 and one of the last companies to produce stereo and TV gear in the US up till 2005. I have a 1986 commercial grade set of Magnavox speakers and they rock! History of Magnavox The Great American Voice (magnavoxhistory.com) Crazy history note, Magnavox Plant #3 in Tennessee made the last of US built TV's sold under the label Akai in 2005 before production moved to China.2 points
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True. SuperScope produced these and while they are not technically “high end”, they do the job that is asked of them. Getting them for a steal was merely a bonus lol.2 points
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Agree, we are friends, no sarcasm intended, but we agree to disagree and I do understand your point, but as @surreal1272 pointed out, you buy a high end sound system and Best Buy does not put their logo on that equipment. I expect the same from the Dealership. This is Greasy cheap marketing 101 that I would expect from a less than reputable used auto dealership. If a New Auto Dealership does the job right, they will gain more in advertising by my word of mouth talking about how great the dealership is than a cheesy sticker on the auto or license plate frame. IMHO WOW, WOW, WOW, $3.50 cents for all that is just crazy cheap, but then it is November 22nd 1965, 2 years before I was born. So then bread was 49 cents a loaf on average and gas was 30 cents a gallon. Crazy is according the Government statistics for average hourly wage in 1965 it was $1.85 per hour, so one has to wonder about this price for this service. Agree, hard to wrap ones head around this bill. @surreal1272 The 70's and 80's allot of Asian labeled TVs and Sounds systems were made in the US from unknown high end companies. Pretty crazy, but when you find stuff at a Goodwill or garage sale, and if it is cheap enough, then it is usually worth the time to buy it and try it out. Worst is maybe a few new capacitors soldered in.2 points
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(Does his best Tim Allen "grunt") Same but yes, the prices are just obscene. On a side note, I did find a pair of old school Sony floor speakers at a thrift store (about seven months ago) for $16 (for the pair). They work flawlessly so I put them with my semi-old school setup in my workshop. Notice where they are made. Didn't know Sony ever even made anything here until I did a little research. It was back in the 70s when Sony was just getting into the US market and they used a company called SuperScope to build and distribute these speakers (SuperScope also made cassette decks and other gear for Marantz at that time). The speakers are noting fancy but they sound pretty damn good and you can't find these cheaper than $250 (with shipping) on Ebay. That's a "win" for me.
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Same subwoofer I use. But completely differently. It works very well filling in low HZ with classical and jazz. But I am not immune to rattling the dishes in the cupboards....the neighbors cupboards....2 points
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He only said that BOTH (at the same time) should not be allowed. Clear distinction there. Hell, if a I buy a $50K home theater system from an electronics store, they don’t slap their store stickers on the receiver and speakers. Only car dealerships think they are that special.2 points
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My humble opinion is that FoMoCo styling in the '70s was, on average, fairly awful. It's the low point (on average) for FMC.
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I strongly disagree with this, buddy. Friend. (Not a sarcastic tone, btw. Had you been an obnoxious poster, then my referencing to you as 'buddy' and 'friend' would be sarcastic, but I kinda, like you? maybe??? So my tone is...um more or less, genuine? I guess... ) OK...back to disagreeing with this POV. Since a dealership is a store. A PRIVATELY owned store FRANCHISED to sell a brand of vehicle by a certain OEM, then that owner of said dealership has the right to advertise his store on the product he is selling. And if the dealership in question is a special and prestigious dealership like as an example Yenko, Dana, Nickey that all sold Chevrolets that hot rodded Camaros and Chevelles during the original muscle car era and those Camaros and Chevelles were beasts on the drag strip that were even nationally recognized, I would say, they have a RIGHT to advertise their dealership on the best billboard there is. On the car itself!!! No, I wouldnt want a sticker or vanity plate or frame on my new car with the dealer's name on it. I dont like the look of something like that on my NEW car. However, something like what Balthy posted on the post above seems like an honest and genuine restoration that captures the era. I would most certainly would want a period correct vanity plate or frame on a restored cruiser like that. If I was into the restoration game, and had my own business for such things like that, I would sooooo do a replica Dana Camaro for instance... or even do a modern version of that Camaro using a new 6th gen Camaro and doing a modern take on that race car...2 points
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...and I'm explaining this again. The company's STOCK is worth that. OEMs have a lot more in assets than just stock capital. Ferrari has 1 assembly plant. GM has 47 assembly plants/ foundries/ sub-assembly operation locations.2 points
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^ Like I said, a lot of vintage enthusiasts love 'em, and they can be pretty cool. Plus, in the (likely) event the dealer is defunct, you aren't advertising anything.
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You're right. It's lighter, it has 300 more HP, costs $200K more than a Vette, yet runs the same 0-60 time (2.9 seconds) and a dam near 1.4 mile so what exactly is the point of the weight savings, the CF panels, and the 300 extra ponies? Oh yeah, that name that runs side by side with a sub-$100K Chevrolet. In other words, outside of the name you value so much, it offers no real upsell over the Vette unless you just really really love putting out engine fires. I wouldn't trust Ferrari with a D cell battery much less an entire EV. And there is no way in hell that Ferrari can make a sub 4,000lb. EV without massive compromises.1 point
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A Ferrari 296 is lighter than a Corvette, the Ferrari 488 is 300 lbs lighter than a Corvette, it is lighter than a Porsche 718 too. I think Ferrari could make a sub 4,000 lb EV, which makes their weight 1,000 less than what a lot of others will be probably. The 488 is a 3,000 lbs car, take out 600 lbs for engine and transmission, add 1500 lbs of batteries and electric motors and it is still 3900 lbs. And if battery tech is better by 2030, maybe it is a 1000 lbs of battery and only a 3400 lb car.1 point
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And again you have stated a Vaporware product as Ferrari has nothing of what you state. ?1 point
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More recycling :
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The Berretta GTZ was roomy and I fit in it just fine.1 point
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What an ugly mess, the front end looks like it was a big mouth billy bass that got stepped on and flattened to a point of it just sucking. Yea, I see nothing attractive about this car at all! This 1991 Chevrolet GTZ Beretta looks better than that Ferrari!
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This Camaro is pure automotive porn...love it.1 point
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You can choose to not get the track version...
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This a hodgepodge mess of elements that are fighting like the Hatfields & McCoys. No fluidity, no harmony. Looks like it was designed by committee.
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Too many amps here. He's a tube junkie. Basement has piles. Message me some criteria, I'll get a list of what may fit your search.1 point
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Going to continue with the sidebar. Not having much luck w/ ferrari. The brand is very inconsistent; from some angles a given car looks great, but then you rotate around it and it tends to get seriously warped. I know; I'm supposed to love it just because it's a Ferrari, but my eye won't let me overlook inconsistent design elements / poor linework. Here's an example of what stands out to me : - - - - - Fake, generated engine sounds =
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There are not dozens of manufacturers that consistently make cars as beautiful as Ferrari does. There are only a few companies that I can think of that have ever put a stick to the beauty of most Ferraris. Aston Martin, Lamborghini, old Jaguars, original SLS Mercedes, ford GTs, select Porsches and that's about it. I'm sure there are others that I can't think of but there aren't many in that regard.1 point
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Anyone looking for a Marantz receiver? I hear they're relatively coveted. My son has a few vintage stereo pieces he wants to liquidate.1 point
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Actually thinking of buying a tube AMP. Just bought a Schiit Vidar which works wonderfully in my living room system. However, setting up an upstairs system and thinking Tubes. This puppy here....its clear when its loud....which is often... https://www.schiit.com/products/vidar It's Chinese but well built, thinking of this for the upstairs system. https://www.china-hifi-audio.com/en/willsenton-tube-amplifier-c-77/willsenton-r8-kt88-el34-x4-tube-integrated-amp-power-amplifier-headphone-p-2268?zenid=303c2d79e416a811a4c650fd8e48fe81 Part of me just wants to buy a big old heavy duty high wattage receiver from the 1970's with the silver front but prices on Marantz and Yamaha stuff has gotten stupid. Best to you, Chris1 point
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GM back in 2019 rolled out what their BEV platform would be like using the BEV global platform that will evolve in supporting a complete portfolio of BEV or battery electric auto's. The goal of the BEV platform was to use a new GM digital vehicle platform that enables future technology by supporting data processing of up to 4.5 terabytes per hour, a five fold increase over the current electrical architecture at the time with connectivity supporting up to 10 Gbps. This is what would allow GM to have over the air updates to their products for decades to come. https://media.gm.com/media/us/en/gm/home.detail.html/content/Pages/news/us/en/2019/may/0520-digital.html A video showing this nervous system can be viewed at the link above. The global modular platform called BEV along with the Digital electrical nervous system that is currently in use on all ICE auto's along with the BEV platform is what is bringing us a number of current electric auto's starting with the Hummer truck and SUV and future Chevrolet and GMC pickup. This is also what is driving the quick development of the Cadillac Lyriq and their ability to show off what they call the Creator Series as the auto develops. A vision crystallized in the attention to details. You can read the story by the interior design manager here: Cadillac Creator Series: Learn about the LYRIQ Electric SUV along with all the other chapters covering the amazing Lyriq. Lyriq.mp4 With so much having been seen of the Hummer twins and the Lyriq, gm has taken another step in driving interest in the future of their products by releasing a multi-part series on an up coming BEV for the Buick product portfolio. What can only be considered prepping for an actual concept reveal is the Buick Electra Concept drawings posted to the GM Design Instagram account GeneralMotorsDesign. GM Design (@generalmotorsdesign) • Instagram photos and videos Even new BEV designs in the form of the Cadillac van and BrightDrop delivery van is shown from GMs design studio on their Instagram account. While design style is a personal matter of taste, this new century promises to offer plenty to debate on as GM rolls out such a wide product portfolio of new auto's. GM Corporate Newsroom - United States - EV News Cadillac Creator Series: Learn about the LYRIQ Electric SUV GM Design (@generalmotorsdesign) • Instagram photos and videos GM: New electronics platform rollout through 2023 will allow OTA updates - Repairer Driven NewsRepairer Driven News GM Digital Vehicle Platform Debuts, Enables Adoption of Future Technologies1 point -
I disagree with you and Disagree with David. Personally...I disagree with david and agree with Ocnblu on this one. I find the current generation of GM trucks really beautiful. Also disagree with you when you said you didn't want black or white. Personally, I like both the Chevy and GMC in black and White. Would love to have both of you here so we could discuss over coffee. Thought of Robert Hall and his dogs when I saw this... This fits my fetish for 50's cars perfectly. thanks for posting it. Wish I had owned a Ford from this era.1 point
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Here’s something to consider as well. Will Ferrari still be making those kind of profit margins when they go EV? Not likely. Also, this whole conversation got sidetracked by a certain someone bringing up Ferrari in the first place. Here’s what needs to be considered. Large profits or not, it doesn’t change the fact that the Vette competes with the like of Porsche and even some Ferraris. It has been like that for a while, as a matter of fact. With the Vette going mid-engine, those slight gaps in performance between it and the rolling fire traps have closed and that is just with a BASE ENGINE VETTE. That is something brand cachet snobs need to consider before acting like only a silly name matters.1 point
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License plate frames are the devils work too and I hate them, never allow them to stay on my auto, but always took them off if they were there. Both the vinyl stickers and license plate frames should not be on the auto.1 point
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https://luxurylaunches.com//ferrari-made-a-staggering-95000-of-profit-on-each-car-it-sold-in-2019.php That was 2019, Ferrari made $1.4 billion EBITA last year so probably a little under $1 billion net income, and they sold like 9900 cars. They are in the $95-100k profit per car the past few years if you just look at profit and cars sold. Obviously some of that profit is t-shirts and merchandise, but without that brand name they wouldn’t move merch.1 point
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‘Professional Grade’! ?1 point
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UPDATE ON GM's BEV's. Seems according to the Robb Report and Automotive News both are reporting that GM current 2 door Camaro will survive this decade with minimal change as an ICE and a replacement will be a PowerFul BEV Camaro in 4 doors. Yup, 886HP, 0 to 60 in 2 seconds and 500 miles on a battery charge for the 4 door Camaro. The Chevy Camaro Will Be Replaced by an All-Electric Sedan: Report – Robb Report Automotive news via MSN goes even further with this additional info: Chevy Camaro Reportedly Being Replaced By Electric Sedan (msn.com) The Chevrolet Silverado and GMC electric pickup trucks will be out in 2023 which we have read here already, 2024 is where the Electric Escalade will come out and in 2025, the MALIBU lives on as an electric sedan. By 2035 every vehicle that GM produces will be electric with just the Heavy Duty Pickups retaining ICE. For those looking for one last Hurrah of a Camaro Z/28, forget about it. Seems GM is focused on the EV Camaro and that this DOHC V8 Z/28 has been canceled. Cancelled Camaro Z/28 Packed High-Revving C8 Corvette Z06 DOHC V8 (motor1.com)1 point
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Seems every auto site is now posting what they expect a 4 door Mustang EV will look like to compete against a 4 door Camaro. Or they are posting a photoshop of what a 4 door electric Camaro will look like.
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Balth not liking them doesn't surprise me one bit but I'm surprised you don't think modern Ferraris are attractive. New 296 GTB for good measure.
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