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Enjoying the 70's midsize love, just here to post a funny meme. Happy Monday, Happy 2022 everyone.

Here's the key part. 0 deaths vs. 124 deaths. There have been ZERO deaths from the Hyundai" Kia engines issues. Not even a reported injury from them. The same can not be said of the GM ignition debacle. If folks don't see the reason(s) for the perceived media disparity, knowing that fact, then this entire page here has been one big waste. Some folks here tend to see what they want to see because bias is real. And I'm with you Robert. There has been PLENTY of coverage on the Hyundai/Kia engine problems.

I know you are looking for a paranoid conspiracy theory, but maybe there have been more pressing real world issues that have dominated the new cycles the last few years? Also, how many cases of actual fires have been attributed to this issue? Any fatalities or injuries? Googling 'Hyundai engine fires' have turned up plenty of mainstream press articles, not just from automotive news sources, so it has gotten coverage. This one ABC news article mentions 31 fires. https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/us-steps-probe-hyundai-kia-engine-failures-fires-81954665 But this seems like a thread derailment issue, since this is a thread about Tesla.

Wow! Another thread, another headache from just reading the last page here.

The definition of 'bait & switch' is; they'd have to advertise a specific vehicle at a specific price, then once you engage with that dealer asking about that vehicle, it's "unavailable" and they push you towards another, higher-priced vehicle. That's 'bait & switch'. A dealer clearly advertising a vehicle at -say- $10K over the sticker price is NOT 'baiting & switching', that vehicle is right there, available, with the price clearly stated & they'll gladly sell it to you, so there's obviously no scenario requiring 'cracking down'. If you pay it, you agreed to it. Anyone who has a major issue with a market adjustment upward should decline all market adjustments downward, including OEM rebates and dealer money off. Otherwise, that person is denying the OEM their 'fair price' (by the same arbitrary metric). Otherwise it's 2 people doing the same thing; trying to make the best deal for themselves.

Speaking of Colonnades, I see that Greenlight has come out w/ a 1/64th '73 Chevelle 2dr diecast. One version out is a gray one from the movie 'Drive' (great gritty crime movie, love the soundtrack). I'll have to get one to go with my other Greenlight Colonnades ('76-77 Pontiac Le Mans 4dr sedan and wagon).

^ Ain't it interesting how that's not a general knowledge/pop culture thing like 'GM ignition switches'?? Know how many Pintos Ford recalled for fire issues (everyone knows about 'exploding Pintos, right??) 1.5 million. You should be able to buy -say- stickers or t-shirts with cartoon, burning hyundais / kias and late night hosts should be using flaming hyundais as a punch line in jokes. Nary a whisper. 'taint no big thing.

Pulled directly from manufacturers' websites.

You'll gladly accept a discount if they're offered but throw a fit and want dealerships shut down if they had an adjustment up? Go read a book on supply and demand. It's only a bait and switch if they're advertising it at MSRP and when you walk in it has as adjustment.

No one would decline a discount when the OEM gives them. This is about managing your franchises. I have not seen fast food franchises add an adjusted market value price to the food that McDonalds markets at a set price. Ford, GM, etc. needs to enforce this same fair pricing of what the buyers are expecting when you see their ads. To me, the adjusted market value stickers is bait and switch that the states need to crack down on.

'76 Century Special - triangle window - true-to-form plain Jane - base V6 - strange wider than usual whitewalls '76 Century with the formal roofline - has some options, while some are not present - this car was being sold in FL for about $ 11 K. In the video, notice the plug for an engine block heater (1:10) and no air conditioning inside (2:00) (this is a northern car)! Also, check out the under the hood simplicity (1:00) and the not so great engine rumble as it's fired up and revved (3:40). The V6 front fender badging is removed. The rear treatment as it's driven off says "pocket Eldorado." Yesteryear's cars were very distinctive, while most SUVs and CUVs look alike. And, if you have time (a lot of time), you can listen to the dude from SW Florida who is quite the talker ... At the very least, check out the way it's decked out when he opens the door. That is one crazy interior.

According to what I read, hyundai/kia has recalled EIGHT million vehicles for engine failures/fires. Of course, you're not going to see that repeated / remembered by 'journalists'... at all. [unlike the thread posted today by Ninety-Eight Regency...]

These past few days hadnt been kind to my free time. Alright... about the Colonnades in general. I prefer the first Colonnades over the later year models across all brands. I do like the fact that the later year models had T-Top options. I love T-Tops. My favorite Colonnades. The first car posted being the most liked and in descending order after that. '73 Cutlass Hurst 455 '73 Grand Am 455 And yeah, the Monte Carlo actually makes the list at #3, but like the other two above, its a '73. I prefer the single round headlight front end rather than the square, stacked headlight front end of the MC's later years. I do have to tell you that the Colonnades are not my favorite style of '70s car though. The F-Body comes first. And then the full sized cars (coupes or sedans) from GM both pre-downsized and downsized full sized before anything Colonnade. Mind you, I wouldnt mind a nice restomod Cultass or Grand Am with a mild 300-400 horsepower and equal torque LS swap to daily drive. But I wouldnt dump too much money into one either. Id reserve stupid money re-builds to restomod its predecessor. The A-Body from '68-'72. Or even '64-'67.

On a minor side note, I always like to see people in their upper 90s make it to 100. Unless they were some serious criminal or tyrant, that is. Bob Hope and George Burns made it to 100. I just checked and Kirk Douglas made it to 103. Amazing. Everyone was cheering them on. Prince Phillip of England left us at 99. Just yesterday, the same happened with Betty White, just 18 short days of becoming a centenarian. For as depraved as Hollywood can be, she remained a class act. Rest in peace.

Gateway is notoriously high-priced. I have no use for either decade of Chevys. On a tangential search, I am likewise shocked to have seen about 10 Vegas selling for asking prices from circa $12K to $19K. In my mind, a Vega should never exceed $1000 even for a mint Cosworth, but; hey.

Dealers that pull those stunts should lose their franchise, have their inventories seized and returned to the manufacturers, and buildings bulldozed. Make them hurt.

This is going to HURT not Help EV sales and another reason that Ford needs to step on the Dealerships if they want to succeed, otherwise plan for a funeral as new auto companies that stick to selling MSRP will take over. Ford dealers marking up F-150 Lightning by $30K due to strong demand - Electrek Keep a fare profit in it for the Dealer and enforce MSRP selling like Bose does so the price is the same no matter what dealer you go too. Then make sure the service experience is worth it for repeat business, otherwise let them die.

Wrong generation for me, wrong model of auto! Now this is more my style, but would want it in Burgundy. 1986 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Classics for Sale - Classics on Autotrader This also is awesome! Sold though Very cool, but crazy stupid price that I would never pay for any of them. 1986 Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS Aerocoupe For Sale - Gateway Classic Cars This one says 10K miles only and asking $43K for the auto. Crazy

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a38516720/2022-bmw-m5-cs-by-the-numbers/

All used vehicles and all overpriced? Terrible service? Poor product knowledge? Take your pick...

Screams Used Car Hell of Manipulation much like a Ford Dealership which I hate and have avoided all my life just about. Hate that pushy, lie to sell a used auto when they do not know anything. Both those places I would never recommend a person to buy from unless they are just idiots themselves and then maybe it is a good fit after all. LOL