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Cadillac sold 390K units worldwide in 2019. Interesting how we commonly read about Tesla's global sales and you have to hunt for U.S. numbers, but it's always the inverse when talking about Cadillac.

mercedes has ceded an entire decade to Tesla in the EV segment- a decade they may never earn back. And Tesla outsells mercedes in EVs about 21 to 1 right now.

The competition might break Tesla, but the real questions are Who and How? Is Tesla only competitive in the USA, or Europe and China too? Which luxury make will drive Tesla sales down in the next five years? We will have to wait and see . . . .

This thread is asking if competition is going to destroy Tesla. Ive answered this before in this thread. And the answer remains the same: CERTAINLY NOT FROM MERCEDES!!!

Oozing with style. Styled like its 1999 1999 2009 And a glimpse of the wildly hopeful and awesome future that Mercedes will sell us. Meant for kings of kings.

@smk4565--I am not going to keep going in circles with you but here are the facts. YES, they are late. They decided to put out not one, but TWO EV sedans out before even mentioning the SUV that won't come until late this year. Meanwhile, Cadillac at least had the good sense to put out an EV SUV first before considering any sedans, being that they are lower marketshare rides. Remember when you constantly whined about GM and Cadillac specially not having enough SUVs? Remember saying EXACTLY that? Well, Cadillac has one EV SUV coming out next months while Benz will have ZERO by then and it will do it for HALF THE PRICE (est. price off the EQS SUV is pegged at $114K). Like I said, late to the game.

And again, the obvious bias is obvious. You act like the Germans, who are late to the game to begin with, are the only game in town to compete with Tesla. Just the dumbest of fanboy logic SMK.

I didnt really enjoy the song. But I did get a giggle or two and warm fuzzies with the '80s references.

Backing is all well & good, but it's not the same thing as getting the product 'right' for volume production. Everything takes longer than intended these days, and in post 2019- even longer than that.

Ultium is lithium-ion (I know you know this). I've read industry insiders saying solid state for production is over 10 years out.

FAILURE AGAIN, The whole PURPOSE of 10 years stated data is to compare the bell curve of where they were and where they are and how the sales are doing. YOU CHOOSE TO HIDE the Facts of that data by saying you do not want to really look it up. MAN UP, If you want to Support BENZ, then MAN UP, POST THE FACTS, Be Honest otherwise you are no different than a deceitful lying sales person who wants to live in the grey cloud of fuzzy facts rather than address the real facts. WHY? Instant Gratification! Man UP!!! RESPECT is EARNED by Facts and Hard Work. I am NOT Perfect, and I know I have messed up some of my own facts, but I will always admit I made a mistake if someone points it out and I have overlooked it. I try my best @smk4565 to engage you and discuss the facts of the auto industry, but where you FAIL is when you ignore the REAL FACTS of what is going on. Man Up, Do the Work and Post the 10 years of SUV sales by model so EVERYONE can either say YES, SMK is Right, or We debate why they have peaked and sales are falling off. Cadillac has killed off product that sales were not supporting, Sales have gone done, but they have focused on being a true Luxury Auto Line. That is a big Difference where they are focusing on their niche market, Mercedes has choosen to become the Chevrolet of German Brands and BMW is right there with them. I saw a BMW 2 series today, wow, what a piece of junk. No different than the A, B and C series of Mercedes. I can only imagen that the BMW 1 series is just as bad. HOW will the Germans beat Tesla when they cannot focus on the segment that grew them? Cadillac will be more competition to Tesla than Mercedes or BMW and NO showing off the EQS top of the line interior that is on so few EQS that you cannot say they will beat Tesla.

And @smk4565 continues to follow idiots in this world with FUD and grey scale evasive tactics rather than stick to the facts that would take away his delusion of Mercedes is no longer a luxury auto maker, but a mass market auto maker with some luxury autos and many generic appliance autos. You STILL have not provided any evidence as I have to assume that if you actually did the work like me, you would find that Mercedes SUVs are also down, down down over the past decade as they have peaked in the Past! ? Will you ever actually compare an Apple to an Apple? I doubt it.

Lower weight is only relative to current battery packs. They'll still weigh A LOT more than the current Vette.

Kind of a guilty pleasure...discovered this new song from 80s-90s boy band New Kids on the Block w/ Rick Astley, Salt n Pepa and En Vogue..I was never a boy band fan, but the 80s references in the video are great...parodying Twisted Sister, Bill Idol, Max Headroom, Flock of Seagulls videos, etc...very catchy been stuck in my head the last couple weeks, get the warm fuzzies for 1989...happy memories of rolling in my 5.0 back in the day listening to 80s music.

I don't really want to look up 10 years worth of sales data, so I'll just compare 2011 to 2021 so it is a 10 year spread. 2011: Fast Forward to 2021: GLA: 14,322 R-class: 2,385 GLB: 26,667 GLK: 24,310 GLC 51,805 M-class: 35,835 GLE: 65,074 GL-class: 25,139 GLS: 24,282 G-class: 1,191 G: 8,523 Total: 88,860 Total: 168,873 They nearly doubled SUV sales! Also how is Mercedes not a luxury car maker? And keep in mind the Cadillac XT4, Lincoln Corsair and Lexus UX are priced below the GLA. And nothing at Cadillac, Lincoln or Lexus is priced like a G-glass, S-class, SL, AMG GT, EQS or Maybach. In fact, Acura, Lexus, Infiniti, Volvo, Alfa Romeo, Genesis, Cadillac, Tesla, Lincoln, Audi, BMW and Porsche combined have 5 vehicles with a base price over $100k, The Tesla Model X, the 911, Audi e-Tron GT, R8 and Lexus LC Convertible (the coupe starts under $100k). Mercedes by themselves has 5 starting over $100k, and we have an EQS SUV debuting later this month. And I am using base model price, so like an Audi RS7 is over $100k, but the base A7 is not. If the EQS SUV is over $100k, then Mercedes has more $100k+ vehicles than all 12 competitors combined! And I think the EQS SUV is going to put a dent in the dated Model X, because this interior p vs The 2nd interior could be from a Mazda, with their dinky little tacked on Samsung tablet, doesn't look like a technology leader to me.

Tesla sold 936,000 cars in 2021. Mercedes Cars: 2,093,476. Cars and Vans: 2,427,686 BMW (not counting Mini or Rolls) sold 2,213,795 cars which was their all time best. Tesla is growing fast, but they are still over a million cars a year behind, and that growth rate may slow once all 40-50 car brands in the world have EV's. And maybe Tesla gets the Cybertruck rolling, follows it up with a smaller pick up or commercial van and gets a lot of commercial business, maybe they bring out a car under the Model 3 to hit a lower price point and keep this rapid growth rate up. I think what Tesla does and what the other car makers do to try to stop Tesla will be quite interesting over the next 5 years. I showed the EQS SUV interior (because Mercedes already put the photo out even though the full debut isn't until April 17), which is a direct competitor to the Model X. Apples to Apples comparison, both are 3 row electric SUV's over $100k And the hyperscreen is standard on all wheel drive EQS's.

Wait, why is Cadillac a "true luxury line" ? As I just stated the XT4 costs less than the Mercedes GLA that you say is mass market appliance or whatever. The Cadillac CT5 (their top sedan) costs less than the CLA. Cadillac sells 3 products (of their 6) that are below the Mercedes CLA, which everyone here likes to say is cheap and down market. And Cadillac has an XT3 coming that will slow below the XT4, the test mule out on public roads so I assume on sale next year. On to Tesla, the weak spot of Tesla is they have a 4 vehicle line up and the Model S and X are dated and aging. Cybertruck and Roadster have been delayed. They don't have a full size SUV or car and they don't have any compact vehicles either. And it takes them a long time to get new product out. The Germans will put EV's out faster and quickly have more choices than Tesla does. Supply chain and chip shortages are hurting getting all those out, but Audi has basically 3 EV's and sport back body styles on 2 of them, so they call that 5 EV's. Mercedes will have 5 EV's on sale in the USA by next year, maybe 6, Audi should have the electric A6 next year. By 2025 the Germans luxury brands will have more EV's than Tesla, and they'll have better build quality and interiors and fresher styling, that is how they beat them. Tesla does have brand name strength and mostly they vertically integrate (although Mercedes is going to make their own batteries, semiconductors and software also) so Tesla can maybe deal with supply chain issues better than most since they do a lot in house. Tesla is strong and in good position, but they also haven't had everyone come after them all at once before.