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You can get a coupe Wrangler and I hope the brand never makes another "coupe" SUV.

Bingo... ..the average consumers don't want cars anymore, only CUVs.. I miss sedans and coupes, but that is a very minority viewpoint in today's marketplace of generic consumers and gray/white/black CUVs. (Of course I'm being hypocritical with a black SUV and a gray CUV in my garage, and 3 vintage coupes I don' t drive...but that will change in time).

Agreed. If you're going to get a CUV with a sloped back roof line like that, you might just skip a CUV/SUV entirely and just get a wagon since you're going to have about the same amount of cargo room in the back lol. Let me reiterate that ANY SUV or CUV using the "coupe" body style is NOT a CUV or SUV at all, since you just killed one of the main reasons for buying one (again, cargo room). And the interior (and bear in mind, they are showing the top level trim here so let me know what the larger selling base models will actually look like) is nice but damn, I'd have to close my eyes just to approach it and sit inside because that exterior...

It's nice and all that they're racing but that's a pretty low series. It'll be more exciting when they have their hands in series like F1, NASCAR, or one of the GTD or prototype classes in IMSA.

We are a multi-cultural world and if the idiot politicians cannot get over the move by society to various languages or the business standard of using English, they will hurt and fall behind society losing out and humans will move leaving them behind for forward growth elsewhere. Morons in my book.

@oldshurst442. @David. I see your points.. and agree on many. I get the slowed production for the sake of quality control, but don't like it. I ened up going back in time and buying a 2016 Checy Impala LTZ used, as a getaround-everyday car because I didn't want to put miles on my "Special" cars.. and the Escalade, being humongous, and taking 93.. isn't exactly my most effcient. Would U believe I considered a f@#kin Tesla.. and even a Mustang MachE? A Lyriq would just be treated as another special car in my stable.. as would the Hummer.. if they were readily avail. But a BLAZER SS EV?.. or even better.. a Malibu or Regal would truly fit the bill. None avail.. some never will be since GM and Ford have sworn off cars in favor of nothing but CUVs, while the transplant makers continue full on car production. @oldshurst442 and yes.. HELL YEAH the VRod is still awesome.. not to mention full on customizable due to European companies holding it tight to their chest. VRods are extremly loved in Europe. Still.. despite being outta production since 2017. I Loved it so much that after I sold my Night Rod Special in the Spring of '21.. I felt instant regret and tried to buy it back but to no avail.. then forced to seek out another in as great condition.. and alas.. did.. literally that Sept aquired a Vrod Muscle. Luv it to death... and while its no Hayabusa in terms of 200mph.. it can still hit 145 lol.. if I so dare

@oldshurst442 Seems Magna is expanding in your neck of the woods. Six site that will expand and create over 1,000 more jobs. Magna Announces New Facility and Expands in Five Other Locations Across Ontario to Support New Business Details of the new and expanding facilities include: Brampton: A new 490,000 square-foot leased facility to manufacture battery enclosures for electric vehicles. Operations to begin in Q2 2023, roughly 560 new jobs are expected at full production. Guelph: Magna is adding e-coat, molding and welding capacity to its exteriors plant to support new electric vehicle production. The expansion will total 120,000 square-feet, and production is planned to begin in Q2 2023. Approximately 175 new jobs are expected. Belleville: Magna’s lighting plant is adding to its capabilities for printed circuit board assemblies and will start operations in Q4 2023. Up to 100 new jobs are expected. Newmarket: Magna’s mechatronics facility which produces vehicle access systems including side door latches, electronic control units, and power systems – is growing its business and expects approximately 75 new jobs. Windsor: Magna’s mechatronics plant adds new business for powered aluminum tonneau covers. The facility has recently started those operations and is planning to add roughly 110 new jobs. Penetanguishene: Magna’s mechatronics facility is growing its tailgate hinges production and more than 15 new jobs are planned. Magna's SmartAccess Power Door System Hits the Market in Style Seems the Ferrari Purosangue will be the launch vehicle for these new SmartAccess doors. The system will launch with several other Asian and North American automakers in 2023. SmartAccess™ can also offer a host of additional consumer-related features including: Ability to customize the door feel to specific consumer desires, Gesture control allowing the wave of a hand to open or close the side door, Non-contact obstacle detection where the side doors can sense a post or adjacent vehicle and stop the door in a controlled manner, and Keypad for seamless keyless entry.

Totally different paradigm. Wrangler is a convertible of sorts. Yeah, the lower trims will probably just be gray and depressing inside.

Ohhhh you mean the XT4 is the leading Cadillac, in sales? Maybe I'm still confused what you meant by, "Very cool, Cadillac is leading the luxury segment in selling XT4 class SUVs."

I was thinking more of an SUV coupe...like a fastback Grand Cherokee, conceptually similar to the MB GLE coupe. An Eagle revival as an AWD lifted sport wagon could be very cool also, though.. given the success of Subaru w/ their Outback wagons, I'm surprised Jeep hasn't done an Eagle wagon revival....

At least they are racing cars they make. Not auto related, but I was cracking up laughing at the lack of being able to explain what Woke is in this interview by one that attacks woke people. ‘This is Gonna Be One of Those Moments That Goes Viral’: Conservative Pundit Short-Circuits When Asked to Define ‘Wokeness’ (msn.com)

I find it interesting that in this shrinking segment, the Acura RDX has arguably fallen off a cliff, while the Envision and the XT4 are fighting to be second to the best-selling Lexus NX.

The deal is that most French Quebecois IN the Montreal region ARE bilingual and speak French AND English. The deal is that English speaking Quebecois IN the Montreal region, whether of English decent or of other nationalities speak 2 or 3 languages. French included. And none have an issue with that. French people in the Montreal area have NO issues with the English language. They understand the realities of what you said. The scare tactics are for the French people AWAY from Quebec's business, sector, which so happens to BE Montreal. Sure, French people living far from Montreal do NOT speak English. They dont need to. But its a common way to get elected. Scare tactics and faslehoods being spewed... In fact, our Premier BOTH times he was elected, he had the numbers to get elected from regions that have NOTHING to do with Montreal. Montreal and most of its surroundings did NOT vote for this party in power. But...there are 2 other Quebec parties that follow in those protect the French language footsteps and are MORE of a separatist nature than the one in power now to the lone Liberal party of Quebec that seems to want to protect the English language but phioques everything else up. English, French AND the other nationalitiles are not really trusting the Liberal party of Quebec the last 15 years.... So...a lot of not good in the political realm here. Quebec is still doing not too bad in the economic side of things, but for EVs and whatever that entails in the world of electricity and batteries when Hydro-Quebec is a GLOBAL force in, this is NOT good news and a very very big step backwards in my opinion.

EV platforms will allow OEMs to produce sedans and coupes more easily and more economically effective but it is still the market place that determines if OEMs will WANT to produce coupes and sedans. The market will determine if there will be a sedan and coupe market. If North Americans wont buy a sedan or coupe, then there is no sedan or coupe to be produced.

It seems Ontario is on a roll lately as the Province also bagged Volkwagen's first North American battery factory. Great news for Canada and especially Ontario. Im a little saddened for Quebec and the news about VW's choice for Ontario rather than Quebec...but Quebec's backwards politicians sometimes focus on antiquated issues and scare the population that the French language is in danger and therefore introduce stupid laws to 'protect' the French language and also continue to ever so whisper about separation from Canada into the equation and thus scare away big global endeavors away from the Province. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-volkswagen-picks-ontario-for-its-first-north-american-ev-battery-plant/ Canada’s effort to position itself as a major player in electric-vehicle manufacturing, and to prove that it can compete with massive new U.S. subsidies for automakers, has received a major boost from Volkswagen Group. The German auto giant on Monday announced that it has chosen St. Thomas, Ont., as the site for its first battery factory outside Europe, after considering locations in both Canada and the United States. Details of the planned investment, including the dollar amount and production capacity, were not provided and are expected in the coming weeks. But federal Industry Minister François-Philippe Champagne pointed to Volkswagen’s description of the facility as a “gigafactory” – a term that is meant to indicate massive scale – to describe it as “probably the largest single investment in the auto sector in Canada’s history.”

Ugly with a capital U-G-L-Y (in "coupe" form). End of discussion.

Very cool, Cadillac is leading the luxury segment in selling XT4 class SUVs. Cadillac XT4 Sales Outpace BMW, Mercedes, Acura In Q4 2022 (gmauthority.com)

Yesssss! VROD IS an AWESOME bike! I thought it was a commercial success for H-D. I know that there was a bunch of Harley guys that hated it, kinda like how some Corvette guys still hatin' on the C8, but I thought over all, the VROD sold well.

I do not think that is true. Not anymore. Sure...they want to produce trucks. V8 trucks. Hey...that is what makes them the cash. Ford has two EVs and both of those EVs are beholden to old school thinkers but told them outright: Your favorite Fords are now ELECTRIC...DEAL WITH IT. Their cash cow, golden goose F150. And their other icon. The MUSTANG Mach-E. And its a CUV. 4 door CUV. Cadillac has CUVed their Sedan DeVille and electrified it and called it the Lyriq. And you mentioned the Vette. And yes. The E-Ray is gonna go on sale soon enough. And there is a small pattern too. Start off with EV models that can make money from the get go. They make money on a Lyriq. They make money on the Hummer EV. Next up is the Silverado EV which is very closely related to the Hummer. At the price point that the E-Ray is at, they will make money with that one too. Especially when the C8 has been a success commercially. Would be even more so had it not been for chip shortgages and Covid closures. But...in (late?)2023 the Equinox EV and Trailblazer EV WILL be coming on line. In 2024 is when GM will be talked about and their EVs. Patience. Dont forget that in China... SAIC/GM/Wuling is selling tons of EVs. ANY hiccups will be rectified in China, GM will learn from that and GM USA will be better for it.

Id rather GM continue on the way they are on now. The EVs will be coming. Slow. But reliable. GM cannot afford any missteps, any bad press any bad anything. The Lyriq's production was purposesly slowed down for exactly the reasons I stated above. https://electrek.co/2023/01/11/gm-to-accelerate-cadillac-lyriq-rollout-after-122-deliveries-in-2022/#:~:text=After delivering only 122 Cadillac,customers receive the best quality. After delivering only 122 Cadillac Lyriq EV models in 2022, General Motors says it was purposely slow with the rollout as it worked through issues with its new electric vehicle and to ensure customers receive the best quality. With a stockpile of 2023 Cadillac Lyriq models, GM says it’s now confident in its process going forward. I bitched about quality issues of Hyundai and KIA and tied it with GM and how GM gets the shyte STILL today... We talked about Hyundai/KIA issues with their ICE vehicles, but they also have issues with their EVs... https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/hyundai-kia-ioniq5-ev6-rollaway-risk-recal/ Hyundai and its sister brand Kia are recalling their latest and greatest Ioniq 5 and EV6 electric vehicles over concerns that a software issue could cause their parking brakes to disengage and present a roll-away risk. This recall affects 10,729 Ioniq 5s and 9,014 EV6s in total. With the problem being software-based, the fix for this issue is luckily relatively straightforward and involves your Hyundai or Kia mechanic updating the software for the Shifter Control Unit. GM cant afford ANY of that kind of publicity. GM has a record of quality as of late. They NEED to continue this and rolling out EVs JUST for the sake of saying they have EVs out for sale is not necesssary as the ancient Bolt EV and EUV at the price GM is selling them now is comfortably in 3rd place. Making money for a better transition going forward with an ALL EV line-up in the very very near future. Their ICE trucks selling at a slight uptick making MORE money for GM. Why spend all that profit for unnecessary recall repairs while getting a black eye on quality and reliabilty again? GM is feeling a tad frisky in spending money. They want to go racing in F1 with Cadillac. I think THAT is a better way to blow through cash than recall repairs with even more money on useless JD Power commercials tooting reliability trying to convince people that GM cars ARE reliable. Yeah...remeber those commercials? GM's marketing department gets to advertise Cadillac, Ultium if they go racing in F1 and the exposure is ALL POSITIVE. No need to convince ANYBODY because the proof will BE in the pudding!!! Ill repeat. Hyundai/KIA and all those recalls and I YET to see ANYBODY complaing about how their wife's brother's uncle's sister bought a Hyundai and it was shyte and therefore they will NEVER buy a Hyundai EVER again. GM gets to relive the malaise era time and time again even in 2023... Rush the EVs, have as many as recalls as Hyundai has now and tell me with a straight face that GM will NOT get any blowback...

@ccap41 @Cmicasa the Great @oldshurst442 @Robert Hall @surreal1272 @Drew Dowdell @riviera74 @trinacriabob One thing I just realized I have never ever stated is that Kia/Hyundai have had an edge in rolling out EVs faster than everyone else at this point. Samsung and LG connections that go farther back in battery supply than the U.S. Legacy OEMs. GM is leading all OEMs right now in building battery plants and will be able to roll out much more models faster once all the battery production comes online. We are on the cusp of the next major revolution in the auto industry. Once battery capacity comes online, there will be nothing to stop the auto industry from making a much wider assortment of of EVs. GM is to EVs what Henry Ford was to the Model A and making autos for the masses. Ford is a solid Year behind GM in building battery plants and so is the rest of the auto industry. The Germans except for VW who is on pace to be equal to GM in Europe for battery production is leading. We have all seen the news stories about GM showing off 3 new EVs for Cadillac alone this year. An Escalade, XT6 equal EV and a Car EV equal to the CTs. We have not heard any rumors, but there is nothing holding GM back from showing off other GMC/Buick/Chevrolet models to come in the next 18 months as GM is going to have considerable battery production online by the end of this year and even more early next year. Remember GM is planning to be able to produce 1 million EVs very soon. I think with the Entry and Mid-level EV SUVs they are bringing out this year, that should really help them ramp up production. Thoughts?

Because they already announced the C43 and C63 power numbers and the GLC is a mechanical twin. C43 is already at dealers. The rumor mill is the E63 will go to a 700 hp inline six with over 800 lb-ft, which makes sense if a C63 is 671 hp, and the S63 is V8 with 800 hp, 1000+ lb-ft or whatever the number is. And I imagine that the swan song for AMG gasoline powered cars and none of this stuff will be around in 2030.

I mean, only if you exclude the Corsair and NX. I'm not sure why you'd exclude those as luxury vehicles though.