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My parents had an Envoy with that I6. The engine was just fine but I think those crappy 4spd autos really just sucked all of the life out of the engine. I think a modern 6-8spd would have faired waaaay better.

It was a weird sequence of events. It did get some premium stuff. 1. When the LX cars came out, the Intrepid sedan was only replaced by the Magnum wagon. Daimler-Chrylser assumed that they could get people out of their sedans and into a wagon. 2. The 300 was originally released mostly in top trim forms powered by the Hemi. 3. DCX quickly realized that people were not going to buy the Magnum in Intrepid type numbers (Intrepid was a best seller at the time), so rather than rush out a Charger, they quickly added lower content trims to the 300. They used the low-end seats and interior bits from the base Magnum, the 2.7 liter engine, 17-inch plastic hubcaps, etc. 4. DCX, in an attempt to keep volumes up, pushed these low-end 300 models with cheap lease deals. This devalued the prestige. 5. The Charger came out 2 years after the Magnum/300 to take over the low end of the market, but the damage to the 300's prestige was already done. 6. With the 2011 refresh, Chrysler introduces the C Executive (later renamed Platinum), the S, the John Varvatos edition, and the SRT. The Executive series is what you see in the pictures I posted above. Unfortunately, in spite of the attempt to move up market, people didn't buy them that way.

I'd have Chrylser aim for more Semi-lux like what Buick was trying to do a few years ago before they switched almost entirely to sub-compact 3-cylinder crossovers. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the CT6. It was better than any E-Class aside from the 63 at the same price, and it gave the space and ride of the S-Class. What happened was brand snobs like you insisted it wasn't an S-Class, so it was no damn good... when it was never intended to be an S-Class, it was E-Class price but Cadillac sized. It had a far more advanced platform than anything Benz had, it had self driving before Benz did, it had 4-wheel steering and the most advanced suspension.... and even after it was canceled, they still look better than an E-Class The Continental had some packaging issues but was still a very nice luxury car. Chrylser is perfectly capable of putting a nice interior in the 300. They just need to drop the rental spec trims.

Who will buy a Tesla pickup truck when Ford and GM have that on near total lockdown? As for KIA being the most reliable sedan, I have a bridge to sell you if you actually believe that. Also, how is KIA doing in terms of reliability after five years?

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WOW, JD Powers says the Kia is the most reliable Mid-Size Sedan. Most Reliable Midsize Car Isn't a Honda or Toyota, Says JD Power (motorbiscuit.com) Too Funny, but even Tesla is now saying they do not need the Truck. Europe and Asia has pretty much killed it as is due to it not conforming to pedestrian safety, so this really only leaves the U.S. market for a truck that will be 6 figures and at this point, many better options are out or coming out before this truck hits the market. The whole story is based on information from Tesla. LOL Why We No Longer Need The Tesla Cybertruck Anymore In 2023 (hotcars.com)

@oldshurst442 @ccap41 @riviera74 @trinacriabob Saw this and thought of you guys. I have to say this is a great modern update on the Mercury Marauder. Finally, This Reimagined Mercury Marauder Looks Mean Enough To Live Up To Its Name (hotcars.com)

Okay so you have insulted 3 out of the 4 (at damn near every turn) and the only reason for not bashing Tesla must have to do with stocks because it sure isn't because of the quality of the auto. Cadillac had FEWER sedans than Mercedes. It's like David said, and anyone who is not Mercedes fan looking for yet another chance to bash any American car company NOT named Tesla, it was lack of marketing more than anything else.

When you’re used to driving luxury cars and you end up with a base Ford Escape from the work fleet

Yeah. That confused me too. GM:Why do you think you can do software BETTER than Apple or Google?!

That be MEGA MEH MEH MEH!

I don't know why the 300 never REALLY got a premium interior. I think they should have been playing in the luxury market with Chrysler 20 years ago.

Ahhh! I hate this coupe SUV thing.

Yeah... I definetely see and can agree with your point of view. I am not against a new design language for either a Chrysler or Dodge. What I AM looking for though, is a mid to full sized sedan, from either Ford, GM or Mopar, with muscle car cues, not necessarily retro styled either, but definetely muscle car DNA styling. With a design language that speaks Ford or Chevy or Mopar. So yeah... I am on board with your opinion!!!

Let me give you more MEH then!!! LETS GO!!!

Beautiful. I have driven one Chrysler 300 as a rental (for one day, and reviewed it) and several Dodge Chargers. I love both cars. While the appointments are different on purpose and the Dodge is slightly more athletic, the decibel range of what was going on while driving them was about the same to me. I was expecting the 300 to have a slightly quieter cabin. @riviera74 I, too, look upon I-6s favorably. They operate very quietly. They'd have to tweak them to get better mpg out of them. When the Chevy Trailblazer of the 2000s went to a Vortec 4.2 L I-6, the rated mileage was far from stellar. That could have been the upright nature of the vehicle. It might have fared better in sedans and coupes. The one inline 6 we had when I was growing up was almost more reliable than our Olds V8s. @oldshurst442 I appreciate the possibilities you are posting, but I'm hoping car designers can do better than cranking out more and more retros, whether ICE or EV. When Chargers and Challengers had that vertically short inset rectangular front fascia and a similar treatment for the rear fascia, I did not like them at all. That's a chapter in Mopar history I want to forget. But that's just me. People who have those cars and go to car shows will disagree with me.

While I applaud the charger being made optional with the turbo inline-6, they really need to do a new 300 with that setup and give it the interior quality the Grand Wagoneer is getting. Make an EV version also, and the Chrysler brand is back on the map faster than you can say Genesis.

Maybe some people just don't want a full size sedan. But that all goes into the product planning mix being off, at the time Cadillac was really sedan heavy in an SUV market. And if the car was so great, it would have sold, the E-class and S-class still sold.

The Mercedes C-class has gotten better each of the past 3 generations it got better interior and materials. The E-class I think needs to improve, current car isn't really as well built as the prior 2 generations but it is a cheaper car. In 2009 the E350 was $53,200 base MSRP, which is $76,000 in todays dollars. A 2023 E350 is $56,750 base MSRP, they cut cost out of it, I hope they screw that strategy on the next gen and engineer it like no other car, and if it costs $70,000, who cares, people can buy the C-class. The AMG One has an engine that was never made for the road, it an engineering feat just to get it road legal at all. And Mercedes does have the S63 E-performance that has more torque than the Demon 170 that does pass emissions. And I haven't insulted every American car company, I have been very pro Tesla and stated how they will be the #1 car maker in the world in 10 years, maybe by 2030.

I would imagine once they engineer the inline 6 for the Charger, to do it in the 300 and do the emissions certification or whatever they need to do would only add pennies on the dollar. But how many people would buy a 400 or 500 hp Chrysler 300? But if it doesn't cost them anything, then why not. I think the ship has long sailed on making Chrysler a luxury brand, or even a relevant brand. You could put the Grand Wagoneer interior in a 300 with the 500 hp hurricane I-6 and charge $50,000 for it, and it wouldn't sell. We saw Lincoln try with the Continental and that bombed, CT6 bombed. Big sedans aren't a market, sedans in general aren't much of a market. And if it were an EV Chrysler, it would have to be superior in every way to a Tesla and cheaper than a Tesla to get people to even consider it, because Chrysler is the past, Tesla is the future.

Chrysler tried that upmarket push with the 300 back in 2005 and the Crossfire and Aspen, that didn't work. Buick's push to mid-luxury didn't work, Mazda is trying it now and it isn't working. People aren't going to pay $50,000 for a Chrysler when they can get a Lexus for that money or a Toyota/Kia/Honda, whatever for less. And that Chrysler may look good on the surface but I imagine that is all plastic wood, and probably in 5 years that interior will look terrible because the materials Chrysler uses are made to look good new, but not hold up over time. That is what cheap materials do. Stellantis is clueless on quality. Mitsubishi puts quilted leather in $30k crossovers too to try to pull that trick. CT6 had a bad interior and again the quality of materials is a problem. Way too much GM parts bin in that car, anytime I sat in one, all I could think was cheap plastic and budget cuts. Also weak and unrefined powertrains at the start, the V8 showed up way too late. It was a car with no market, if you are going to build a big luxury car it better be S-class good, otherwise make a mid-size car, but part of the problem was also the CTS was upsized to be a discount 5-series, so it put the CT6 into no-man's land in the market. And the badge snob thing is true, people aren't going to touch these brands with damaged reputations. Because Chrysler = cost cutting.