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Lets see. For: NOT a Toyota Against: Not a real production car For: still a classic GM Pontiac from the '50s Against: still truckish in looks. Verdict Ill pass.

What I was really going to say ... Last call for LaCrosse ... what that really means is last day for LaCrosse. Yesterday, I sold my car, for which doing research on it and clicking on the links brought me to C&G. (Lucky you!) I handle change fairly well, especially while traveling, but I don't handle moving on to another car all that well. I usually deliberate a lot on choosing a car because they are big ticket items and, when I have bought - or was given - one I liked, I have taken excellent care of it and don't want to part with it. I was in a funk when I came home yesterday, but, eventually, I was also relieved and am dealing with it better today. This is the last photo I've taken of the car. I had cleaned it thoroughly and, with the lighting, the photo doesn't show the sheen that's still in the metallic paint and the tidiness of the interior. It was taken yesterday.

I love MORR videos. I watch a ton of their stuff on my way to and from work on the bus. I watched this last week and man, that thing was junk when they got to it.

Rescue of damaged Navigator, it got stuck, then a flood came...

Ouch, glad it was not worse, it could have been so much worse. Yup, need to always be alert and follow better safety.

That is sexy, should have been built, I know folks that would have bought it then. Course now everyone wants raised SUVs and Trucks except for a minor portion of folks that still want cars. ? Wonder if @oldshurst442 would buy it and drive it?

Agree, she nails it for woman to not walk away from but run away from. I have a brother-in-law that had bought one of the Buick GS supercharged V6 cars new, it never made it past 77K miles and he blamed it on GM building shitty autos. Sadly, the reason the motor failed him was he never did any maintenance on it. No oil changes and especially the required 30K mile Supercharger maintenance. Yes, GM figured out how to make a supercharged motor go 100K tune up/maintenance a few years after the GS first came out with this motor, but he failed to read his auto manual and know the maintenance. I have zero respect for those that blame an auto maker when they do nothing to take care of their auto.

Interesting about the issues w/ Mopar 3.6 engines..for every story I've heard of people having issues, I've read about people putting 250k-350k miles on them without issues. My Jeep is almost 10 years old, w/ 77k miles. Still no issues..

Cute opinion based articles disguised as "news" but hey, you got to have something right? All of the data about recalls and such have been well documented and Toyota earned scorn for the larger ones (like the UA debacle). Duh. Seriously. The fact is that they had to dive back into the 90's to fill the article up with this "data" is telling. Now, if I were to find some articles on GM and their debacles in JUST the last 20 years (the biggest being bankruptcy because of decades of neglect), how long would those articles stretch? Go ahead and actually compare for once. Seriously, Toyota has issues but this "crusade" to play "gotcha" just because some folks here had the nerve to actually compliment the company a few times or you just otherwise have a hate hard on for the company, is trolling 101 and just childish nonsense. You are no better than a certain German/Tesla pom pom waver who goes out of his way to be deliberately outlandish and confrontational. This is why I don't post that often here anymore. It's not worth the hassle of dealing the same wash, rinse, repeat nature of attitudes here. Sorry but that is just how I see it. Another time but I will leave this little nugget about GM from 2014 because "lest we forget...". "GM has recalled more vehicles in 2014 than it has sold since its filed for bankruptcy in 2008." https://www.dividend.com/how-to-invest/a-full-look-at-the-2014-general-motors-recalls-gm/ And I'm out (for while because hip surgery calls on Monday).

And remember @smk4565, it has been YOU that has crowed on about the Cybertruck for the last three years, years that were promised a Cybertruck by Elon and his fans the following year, each year. You had ZERO issue with the possibility of quick production and even touted their ability to do so during those three years. Now you are on here making excuses about the repeated delays buy saying that this is "normal" (it is clearly not) and then throwing in some non-related BS about sales. FFS. That is what is wrong with people lately. Can't just admit their error and move the F on. Good luck with that (same goes to anyone here with the same level of stubbornness).

Like I said, endless excuses and that fact will never change. BTW, not one part of what I said about timelines had $h! to do with sales bar mover. aHad no jack squat to with whether Kia is better or not. This was about concept timelines and the FACT IS THAT THE CYBERTRUCK HAS BEEN SLOW TO DEVELOP and that is a FACT backed by Tesla's own CEO, not your pom pom waving fanboy OPINION. Get that yet or do you want to make up more reasons why you are wrong? Finally, those were just TWO examples of the many vehicles that have hit the floor quicker than the Cybertruck. You can add in literally dozens of others that have been quicker than it but hey, "sales, sales, sales" when you run out of excuses right?

So just make up any excuse to cover up the fact that he said production was originally supposed to start in 2021 when he announced it in 2019 (having been in "concept" concept before then). And that 4 years is a lie in this day and age and you know that. Kia's EV9 is going from concept to production in less than 3. The Mach-E was announced 2019 and was on sale the next year so just stop with the endless excuses when even Elon has confessed to the endless delays delaying the Cybertruck. Again, you ignore facts to make up excuses and feelings. And touting that dumb bulletproof video is just sheer ignorance and fanboy BS. That is a lawsuit waiting to happen. Notice they didn't shoot at that once unbreakable glass (that Elon broke in front of the world). Keep drinking that Kool-Aid though.

4 years concept to production is pretty common in the industry. Also Cybertruck is an all new product with a new manufacturing process, so they had toe work all that out. Plus it is bulletproof as confirmed today by Elon that they emptied an entire Tommy Gun magazine into the side of one. And the tri-motor has over 1,000 hp making Ram TRX and the F150 Raptor R look like weak sauce.

Camino and Baltazar might have different ideas. Shop safety...only takes a second..