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Maybe yes. Maybe no. Only the Chinese scientists involved and all the CCP political leaders in the loop know what is what. To this moment, none of that is clear. To this moment, all information released then, and now from CCP is very very erroneous, disingenuous, misleading... And lets us not forget...contradictory. Bats. Wet markets selling these bats. Bats. In a lab. Where scientists were analyzing, testing, experimenting with bats. Whether these bats were infected naturally with this virus or it was man-made... Some say the Wuhan lab was testing for cures to HIV and were testing this on bats. All that seems to be the common theme. But nobody really knows. Only the Chinese scientists involved and all the CCP political leaders in the loop know what is what. To this moment, none of that is clear. To this moment, all information released then, and now from CCP is very very erroneous, disingenuous, misleading... And lets us not forget...contradictory. Well...we (as in the greater people of the world) do not really know what is going on for sure, and that is why we (as in the greater people of the world) could come up with several tin foil hat conspiracy theories. Because: 1. Only the Chinese scientists involved and all the CCP political leaders in the loop know what is what. To this moment, none of that is clear. To this moment, all information released then, and now from CCP is very very erroneous, disingenuous, misleading... And lets us not forget...contradictory. 2. And because this novel coronavirus 19 thing is kinda like something humanity has never quite seen before. Experienced similar pandemics, but not quite like this one. So it lends itself to quite a few conspiracy theories. Because mainly Only the Chinese scientists involved and all the CCP political leaders in the loop know what is what. To this moment, none of that is clear. To this moment, all information released then, and now from CCP is very very erroneous, disingenuous, misleading... And lets us not forget...contradictory. And when I say only the CCP folk in the loop know what is what, I mean: if its a natural thing that occured, and it werent an act of maliciousness, just an innocent but careless accident, then even they dont know what to do. And hence why they tried to cover it up. Tried to cover up their carelessness and mistakes. Which of course lends itself to tin foil conspiracy theories BECAUSE CCP is such a closed and secretive political party. But that is the thing, NOBODY seems to know what is what and what to do about it. Social distancing. Only a theory. A somewhat successful theory. Lockdowns. In theory it was to slow down contagion so hospitals are not overwhelmed. And different situations with different countries defined what overwhelming hospitals meant. Which also means different solutions for different countries were in order. Lots of hits and misses and trial and errors involved. All theories of how contagion works for this novel coronavirus 19 is still debated and theorized and explained and revised to this moment. And because of what I said about the CCP No need to throw Trump under the bus for this. He could have handled many things on Covid19 better. A lot better. Sure. But his detractors being Monday Morning Quarterbacks wont solve anything going forward. But Trump and his administration better make the RIGHT moves going forward though. Unlike what his party and administration have been doing so far. Enough correct information is available so the pandering to the party hardliners should stop. But THAT includes his detractors too. Right about now, the country that is the USA should be standing together in fighting this. NOT trying to advance their political agendas and sabotaging each other just because political views differ. Im sorry to hear about this. Health to your family. I am happy to know that she is doing great with her health.

Maybe. Probably @Drew Dowdell knows. I believe he owned one. But what @riviera74 said about it being a temperature sensor sounds just about right.

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I saw 3 Corvettes today. A kid that works for me, his dad owns a C6 Vette convertible. Yellow. His dad picked him up after his shift. Had a Z something or other fender logo. Looked like a Z06 logo but the Vette itself did not look like a Z06... Have to ask him about it tomorrow. I saw a C7 modified Vette. All black. Fender flares. Front grille was modified. Had a toothy grille. I didnt see what C7 it was as he was driving a little on the swiftly side. Looked kinda like this diecast model. Especially the grill. And then, I saw an awesome, 1972, red exterior, red interior, T-Top Stingray. Great condition. Awesome sound coming from the 350 under the hood. I asked him about it at the red lights we both were stopped at.

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10 000 dollars for a Bolt is a GREAT price. You know what? 10 000 dollars for a brand spanking Corvette C8 new from the showroom floor is ALSO a GREAT price. In both scenarios, 249 a month for 36 months is NOT too much for people to afford. But we all know that such a low price for either is not reality. The thing is, the technology involved does not lend that to happen, right? Not yet at least. PS: I thought GM was losing money on the Bolt that was sold at 349. Yes, marketing and lack of qualified sales people hold back the Bolt, but prices for EVs for the masses is not yet in line for them to be sold at and for the masses...

I was JUST about the comment on $10 000 being unrealistic but I agree with his statement.

Again. Im 100% in agreement with your sentiment. No...its NOT rational to quit on the largest automotive car market on the planet. My post was more in touch with my emotional side rather than my logical side of thinking.

100% my thoughts on every point you touched. Im not one to discriminate against a country. (I said country. I never discriminate against the people.)(and there are a few countries to which I have saltiness for) China’s political leadership stinks. From their bullying of certain territorial waters to their bullying of doing business in China and especially their cover up of Covid 19, I think GM should reconsider wtf they want to do in China going forward. I understand that China has billions of people and GM sees dollar signs, but at what American cost does that mean? And yes. I sees plenty of Mazda in this. But then again, its a CUV. They all look the same anyhow.

And @daves87rs @USA-1 we are having a nice discussion. I like it. Having a lower priced corvette for the masses with a possible ttv6 will probably alter the Vettes image in a negative way Vettes are just out of the reach of regular folk. THAT is one aspect that appeals to people. Keeps folk wanting to work hard to get one. Its like a carrot on a stick dangling in front of a rabbit. And because so many are bought new year after year after year, the used market is full of cheap Corvettes. That is how most Corvettes become people’s dream machines anyway since now on the used market, a Vette was picked up on the cheap, and money is left over to be personalized and tuned and hot rodded. THAT would be another aspect that appeals to Corvette loyalists. A Cadillac supercar will NEVER be able to compete with that. Used Corvettes of a decade ago, or 5 years ago are bought in the used market on the cheap, modified to the nth degree and money spent on them can range between very few dollars spent to astronomical amounts and the performance of these machines are not even touched by the new supercars of the day. Again. Cadillac has to deal with 67 years of Corvette history consisting of great sales over the years, legends, myths, race victories, restoration of classics and hot rodding madness. The Corvette IS the top. Best of the best

In other words... @smk4565 You want General Motors to fund BILLIONS of dollars investing in TWO supercars AT THE SAME TIME IN THE SAME TIME FRAME??? PORSCHE does not even do that... Ferrari does not even do that... Mercedes does not even do that...

Several mistakes in your thinking... 1. GM does NOT build the Corvette. Chevrolet does. GM is a multinational corporation that owns several automotive brands under its umbrella. Chevrolet Motor Division is one them and its Chevrolet that builds the Corvette. GM, with the profits being made from its Motor Divisions and its other entities allocates the monies and funds projects to its motor divisions so they continue to build automobiles. 2. If and when Cadillac decides that a hyper car is needed in their portfolio, Cadillac management will ask for monies to start the project. 3. A business case has to be built for it. 4. If Cadillac project managers see a good viable business case for it, then they will pitch that idea to GM management. Yes, accountantants will be there. Money has to be made. Its a business. 5. If GM greenlights the idea, CADILLAC with its engineers will start the project. But, obviously there will be targets needed to be achieved. All kinds of targets ranging from moneatary budgets, engineering parameters, performance parameters, marketing, target market analysis, etc. With the Corvette, many times the program was almost canceled. If a business case was made for the C8 in the mid 1990s, when GM was buying up SAAB and had monies tied up in Saturn and Fiat and was bleeding money on other failed projects like the W-Body at that time, if the Corvette engineering team, and Chevrolet project managers pitched the idea to make a mid-engined Corvette that would be LOSING money on all models excpet for the highest of trims...you think GM would green light such a money losing endeavor in the 1990s? The answer is of course NO! And indeed, the C5 was NOT greenlighted. The Corvette was about to be canceled after 1996. And that would be on a car that had already a solid busienss case with the C4. The C4 was a RESOUNDING success. So much so that Chevy wanted sooooo many things to do with the C4 that GM had greenlighted everything for it. Like a DOHC V8 for it. GM had greenlighted all kinds of special programs for the C4 and spent lots of monies experimenting with the C4 platform. But by the time the replacement C5 Corvette was to arrived, GM had invested its monies funding other projects that no monies were left for a replacement C5 to arrive. A rogue group of Chevrolet employees that consisted of Corvette engineers, other Chevy engineers, mechanics and the like all got together and started, on their OWN time, engineering ideas and engineering concepts and actually engineering and building mock-ups with budgetary constraints to get a frankenstein C4 as proof that a C5 Corvette program need not a huge budget to be produced so that the Corvette could live on. GM beancounters and managers saw what little investment was needed to continue on with a C5 using the frankensteined C4 and hence the C5 continued on. A new frame was engineered, some new parts were introduced, other parts were re-used and so-called cheap interior materials were used to get the C5 up and running... This is why I told you that C5, C6 AND C7 are closely related because in effect, they are. THIS is why the Corvette program is financially successful, because Corvette engineers and Chevrolet tooling use rthe most of what they can with what they got. A 2006 C6 Corvette used a 2006 Malibu steering wheel. parts bin economies. Its what makes the Corvette program run. But for C8. All that is new. Everything is new on it. new parts, new tooling. New platform. And an almost no expense budget was introduced. But the IMAGE of a Corvette is NOT about it being a boutique sports car like a Porsche 911 or Ferrari 488 or a strospheric hypercar like a AMG-ONE. Image, target market, price tag etc of the Corvette has been fleshed out since 1953. And THAT also means that at Chevrolet, the technological tour de force that it is, it has become a HALO car for Chevrolet. And BECAUSE GM owns Chevrolet, it owns the Corvette. But...you talk about having a car ABOVE a Corvette. You want Chevrolet and GM just to throw ALL THAT TECHNOLOGICAL HISTORY OUT THE DOOR TO CREATE ANOTHER SUPERCAR ABOVE THE CORVETTE???!!! HOW? Part of what makes a Corvette SO SPECIAL IS THE 67 YEARS OF HISTORY IT HAS GOT UNDER ITS BELT. ALL THE RACES ITS WON ON THE INTERNATIONAL STAGE. ALL THE SPECIAL TRIMS THAT MADE TOUCHED THE AUTOMOTIVE WORLD. L88, ZL-1 STINGRAY, STING RAY, SEVERAL ZR-1s in HISTORY, SEVERAL Z06s IN HISTORY. You tend to forget and you tend to put compare Corvette as if its a brand on its own. ITS NOT. Corvette is NOT PORSCHE. Corvette is just a model amongst several models in the Chevrolet line-up. Porsche is a brand. Porsche produces SEVERAL models. Corvette is just ONE CAR. Cadillac...and THIS IS WHERE I GOT two people confused with what I said @frogger and @ocnblu Cadillac....for Cadillac to be succesful in this realm, they need a supercar to be better than a Corvette. And THAT is a car in the same automotive family. A Cadillac supercar could NEVER succeed with Corvette being there. No! NOT because Chevrolet and "GM" wont let it. CORVETTE HISTORY wont let a Cadillac supercar succeed. CADILLAC HISTORY wont let a Cadillac supercar succeed either. Its NOT Cadillac. Cadillac needs a supercar that is TOTALLY different than a Corvette. A mid 2000s Cien that was mid-engined WITH A V12 MAY have been that car. An XLR that evoked looks from an EVOQ concept was NOT that car. NOW, that Corvette is mid-engined...FORGET IT!!! A Corvette will ALWAYS be THE super sports car that will come out of Chevrolet and under the GM umbrella. And the Corvettte engineers and marketing team KNOW what the Corvette is, and what it will always be and will be the leader in performance for Chevrolet, for the GM family and for the world. Corvette was ALWAYS pushing the performance envelope. A Ferrari F40 had a o-60 time of 3.8 seconds, went above 200mph had over 400 HP. WAS the performance leader of its time. The Porcshe 959 was in step with the F40. So was the Corvette. The ZR1 0-60 in 4.4 secs. Close to 200 MPH. Chevy had several C4s PASS 200MPH as experimentals. But the ZR1's price tag was nowhere near the F40s and 959s price tags. And THAT is the Corvette. YOU keep on telling me that cars costing 1 million, 2 million dollars are FASTER than the C8 BASE Corvette in 2020. I tell you that a 150 000 Zora will match those million dollar cars. And that its not out yet. And that in 4 years other cars will come out. NOT THE AMG-ONE. Its a 1 year, 275 limited run vehicle. The Zora is here to stay and WILL be evolved. And when the C9 comes out, the C9 performance will continue where the C8 Zora would have left off. The base C5 left off where the fastest C4 ended. The base C6 left off where the fastest C5 (Z06) ended. The base C7 left off where the fastest C6 (ZR1) ended Thwe base C8 left off where the fastes C7 (ZR1) ended, and the C7 does THAT with 200 HP LESS... THAT is the Corvette. And for Cadilllac to compete with that? And HOW do you get a car above the Corvette? The CORVETTE is what is on top!!!

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False. Cadillac thrived with that very image during the depression. So did Mercedes. You have a habit of discussing and comparing the most of extremes together. 3 richest Americans and all the oil barons dont give a shyte what happens to the world because in anyway, their products and services are the ones that keep the world going round anyway...WW3 or Covid 19. Its like you compre a 2 million dollar AMG-One and say its waaaaay lighter than a BASE 60 000 Corvette Stingray... Of course it SHOULD be lighter. I said above, the Corvette is engineered to a lower price point. Sacrifices have to be made somewhere. The AMG-One is a no expense spared engineered vehicle. Than you blame GM beancounting for this... Like WTF???!!! You cant expect GM to have a no expense spared Corvette to be sold for only 60 000 dollars... That would mean that the Corvette would have to be sold at 2 point something million dollars and limited to a 1 year limited run of 275 units. THAT is not the Corvette's business case. Nor is its image and target market. And the AMG-One is NOT expected to be cheapened for price point sake sold to the masses. The thing is, the Zora's mission IS to be an AMG-One PERFORMANCE competitor... AND THAT it will be... With the economy argument. Billions of dollars have been lost to Covid so far. Those billions lost have NOT BEEN pocketed by ANYBODY. Bezos and the other 2 richest Americans aside. And those oil baron sheiks, because oil has still been produced and made into gasoline and other products like plastics so they still make money, those billionaire sports clubs owners and other businesses have simply halted... NO MONEY BEING MADE. Let me put it this way. I own a restaurant. I cut my hours down considerably. But I also cut down on my staff considerably. Because I could stay open, I got a drive through, I was able to make money. The same amount actually. I had to work a tad harder, but my profits havent suffered. My sales went down a tad, but I matched that with cutting my expenses equally so that is how I have been able to keep my profits up. And... Im like Bezos in this regard. I got to continue to make money. But some of my workers, I had to lay off. McDonald's close to me also has stayed open. They too, hardly lost a beat. Likje Bezos.... OK...Amazon sales went up. But local brick and mortar stores hit a rougher patch, as now peoples thirst to consume is 100% done online.... But...rich hard working owners of other businesses in my neighborhood had to close down for 2 whole months with NO revenue coming in. McDonald's and myself are in the minority. The reality is that MOST businesses are NOT like me. Stop arguing with extreme situations...start discussing things more in line...

Jeff Bezos aside...because he owns a company that actually thrives in these times. But, If I just go with all the MLB, NHL, NBA and NFL owners, millionnaires and billionnaires, and airline industries, automotive companies, restaurants of all kinds other than the huge franchises .and all other similar situations in business where regular folk simply stopped consuming, these guys say they are suffering, even if they are lying so they dont pay their players (sports teams owners.).. if 95% of the population suffers and the 95% of the population dont consume the products and services these millionnaires and billionnaires offer and peddle, where does their money come from? If the 95% of the population suffers and dont consume, spend and invest in the stock market...trust me, these billionaires fast become millionaires if not poorer. The millionaires fast are worth just hundreds of thousands of dollars if not poorer. Folk that have hundreds of thousands of dollars risk of not having anything. Trust me, AMG cars and Ferraris and Rolls Royces are the ones to go bankrupt FASTER than Chevrolets Fords and Hondas... Leading up to the war, and in the Great Depression, the luxury marques such as Duesenberg and Cords disappeared rather than Chevy, Ford and Dodge.

These are mine. The 2021 TLX also peaks my interest. And the Mazda 6. Did I read that correctly? A RWD inline 6 Mazda 6 for 2023?

They are getting rid of the V8 in certain areas... Dont play stupid. Im afraid the SL will not even survive 2021 the way things are going let alone 2030. And yes, maybe with Covid generation economies, the C8 will eat into its market share.... Whether YOU like it or not, the C8 is that much of a game changer regardless if it is a Chevy or not... It a short little while, the 2021 Z06 will be available for owners to buy. OK...with this Covid era economy, the Z06 will be a 2022 model. The thing is, Chevrolet is going all out with the C8 Vette and the C8 vette itself is selling like hotcakes. With NEW market share that NEW consumers are buying into....regardless of a Chevy nameplate... And yes...4 cylinder outputs are out of this world. Its still prestigious to have a V8 under the hood. More so now than ever. Dont try to spin the failures of M-B in your favour... And...last bit NOT least AMG does NOT have lots of sized of vehicles. Mercedes has that. But if the economy goes even MORE south, AMG will NOT have ANY buyers as even the stinkin' rich will cut back with unnecessary purchases. And even THEY will be looking for bargains. EVERYBODY LOVES bargains. And like I said above, the C8 Corvette WILL quest their thirst for something new and shiny, that goes crazy fast and has "that look" that cars in this league demand...

Yes it is When the high performance versions of Corvettes first comes out, not the base ones, Vettes usually lead the pack only for Ferrari and Porsche to counter back.... Again...keeping in kind that the Corvette, even the high performance versions, still priced waaaaay below the others... We got a new level of sports car called the hypercar to contend with, that would be the AMG-One or Laferrari... but again, the Corvette has an answer to that... but it aint out yet. It will 3-4 years from now. But Ill just repost what I said above because you got deaf ears. Hypercars are at and above 1 million dollars. The AMG-One is 2 point something million dollars. The Zora Hybrid electric with close to 1000 HP will be at 150 000 dollars... Porsche 911 money... A Corvette is the COMPLETE opposite of what Cadillac, high end M-B, Jaguar, Aston Martin, Ferrari, Bentley, Rolls Royce etc is all about. All those high end, posh brands I mentioned all cater to the folk that want the finer things in life. That could afford the finer things in life. That want something unique and rare and that almost nobody else has got. All those high end brands in turn try to engineer and produce the best of the best to attract the very few that can afford those brand's products. The ONLY thing the Corvette has in common with that is, that the Corvette offers best of the best performance. And at a price. Low price. The high end stuff also comes at a price. High price. I repeat. The high end stuff is sold at high end prices. The Corvette is engineered to a price point. A price point well BENEATH of those high end stuff and sold well beneath those high end prices. Those high end products are also limited in numbers. Mostly produced by hand and perosnalized to every inch of the finer details. The Corvette is mass produced. Machines and robots for the most part produce it. Many IMPERFECTIONS exist on the Covette as where the other high end products, imperfections are hard to come by... because the owners of those cars PAY a PREMIUM and EXPECT perfection. Corvette's target market really dont care about any squeaks and rattles and if the steering wheel is the exact same one as a Chevy Malibu. (C6) Actually, they wear THAT as a badge of honour as MOST Corvette owners are proud that the Corvette is a CHEVROLET. And want to point the middle finger to the folks that drive high priced sports cars... The high end stuff is usually bespoke to that particualr model. The Corvette, BECAUSE its a CHEVROLET has parts bin economies built into it, so that the PRICE is low low low as low as can be because the performance technology is really best of the best... The high end stuff is really made for the those 1%ers. Those white gloved, snooty, entitled and cuddled folk that look down upon the working guy but NEED the working guy to maintain their riches... The Corvette is made for the blue collar guy. The very guy that works for that white gloved, snooty, entitled and cuddled folk that look down upon the working guy but NEED the working guy to maintain his riches... Or for the self made man that made his money getting his hands dirty. Because since the 1980s, new money has come to be, those lines are blurred between high end stuff and Corvettes with Ferraris and Lambos producing and selling lower priced cars, but higher, way higher than Corvette to cater to the guy that made millions on 4-5 restaurants he bought and managed with family and friends or in the .com era where those guys in the beginning were mere millionnaires and over time got to be billionnaires and now could buy that million dollar plus limited run Ferrari. Yeah...kinda like the AMG-ONE. The Corvette is a performance car that gives a middle finger to those types of cars and owners... Yes...THAT is why a Corvette was, is and will continue to BE a Chevrolet. Cadillac does not NEED a sports car to peddle to the new money folk or the old money folk. What Cadillac needs is a vehicle, that caters to the arrogance of those types of owners... And THAT could mean many things... And THAT is the beauty of Cadillac. Cadillac's image was and still is of brash, arrogantly loud styled vehicles. And THAT could be anything... And THAT is why Corvette is Corvette Chevrolet is Chevrolet Cadillac is Cadillac and Corvette shall always be a Chevrolet. With the C6 and then the C7, sure, people wanted MORE from the Corvette. NON-TRADITIONAL Corvette owners... That is why with the C8, time was right to go ME. Performance was at its limits with 750 HP front engine RWD... Actually, the C6 Corvette with 'only' 650 HP and 638 ft lbs torque was the limit with front engine RWD configuration. The C7 has all kinds of voodoo airflow technology and high tech tire engineering to keep the car stable and to squeeze the most performance out of it. With the C8, this ME config now gets to explore what Corvette engineers could do AND it also introduces the car to new target markets... but the Corvette STILL remains...my long ass rant as definition because you really have deaf ears... A Corvette is the COMPLETE opposite of what Cadillac, high end M-B, Jaguar, Aston Martin, Ferrari, Bentley, Rolls Royce etc is all about. All those high end, posh brands I mentioned all cater to the folk that want the finer things in life. That could afford the finer things in life. That want something unique and rare and that almost nobody else has got. All those high end brands in turn try to engineer and produce the best of the best to attract the very few that can afford those brand's products. The ONLY thing the Corvette has in common with that is, that the Corvette offers best of the best performance. And at a price. Low price. The high end stuff also comes at a price. High price. I repeat. The high end stuff is sold at high end prices. The Corvette is engineered to a price point. A price point well BENEATH of those high end stuff and sold well beneath those high end prices. Those high end products are also limited in numbers. Mostly produced by hand and perosnalized to every inch of the finer details. The Corvette is mass produced. Machines and robots for the most part produce it. Many IMPERFECTIONS exist on the Covette as where the other high end products, imperfections are hard to come by... because the owners of those cars PAY a PREMIUM and EXPECT perfection. Corvette's target market really dont care about any squeaks and rattles and if the steering wheel is the exact same one as a Chevy Malibu. (C6) Actually, they wear THAT as a badge of honour as MOST Corvette owners are proud that the Corvette is a CHEVROLET. And want to point the middle finger to the folks that drive high priced sports cars... The high end stuff is usually bespoke to that particualr model. The Corvette, BECAUSE its a CHEVROLET has parts bin economies built into it, so that the PRICE is low low low as low as can be because the performance technology is really best of the best... The high end stuff is really made for the those 1%ers. Those white gloved, snooty, entitled and cuddled folk that look down upon the working guy but NEED the working guy to maintain their riches... The Corvette is made for the blue collar guy. The very guy that works for that white gloved, snooty, entitled and cuddled folk that look down upon the working guy but NEED the working guy to maintain his riches... Or for the self made man that made his money getting his hands dirty. Because since the 1980s, new money has come to be, those lines are blurred between high end stuff and Corvettes with Ferraris and Lambos producing and selling lower priced cars, but higher, way higher than Corvette to cater to the guy that made millions on 4-5 restaurants he bought and managed with family and friends or in the .com era where those guys in the beginning were mere millionnaires and over time got to be billionnaires and now could buy that million dollar plus limited run Ferrari. Yeah...kinda like the AMG-ONE. The Corvette is a performance car that gives a middle finger to those types of cars and owners... Yes...THAT is why a Corvette was, is and will continue to BE a Chevrolet. Cadillac does not NEED a sports car to peddle to the new money folk or the old money folk. What Cadillac needs is a vehicle, that caters to the arrogance of those types of owners... And THAT could mean many things... And THAT is the beauty of Cadillac. Cadillac's image was and still is of brash, arrogantly loud styled vehicles. And THAT could be anything... And THAT is why Corvette is Corvette Chevrolet is Chevrolet Cadillac is Cadillac and Corvette shall always be a Chevrolet. It be a money loser for Cadillac to do a supercar/hypercar based on a Vette or bespoke like a Cien concept.. Whether YOU like it or not, the Corvette is best of the best. No matter WHAT price point we are talking about. BECAUSE it is engineered to a low price point, the Vette engineers sacrifice some stuff on it. But...with the C8 we see that some of those constraints have been loosened... Honestly, Id love to see Corvette engineers do to a Corvette program with a budget that AMG-One had with AMG engineers. Ill say it again, the Zora Hybrid C8 to come will EQUAL if NOT surpass what the AMG-ONE will do... And even if...EVEN IF it does not and just misses the mark just a tad, which it might, Ill admit...remember...AMG-ONE is 2 point something million dollars. The Zora will be at 150 000 dollars... A FRACTION of that price tag. WITH TTHE SAME TECHNOLOGY. Maybe a tad less use of exotic weight saving materials materials on the outside and maybe a tad less extravagant materials on the inside to cuddle the owner... BIG DEAL like I said...A CORVETTE IS A HUGE MIDDLE FINGER TO POSH, SNOOTY BITCHES THAT LOOK DOWN ON THE VETTE!!! Sure... Like I said...THAT could mean ANYTHING. It COULD be a Cien. But really no. Its more of a Sixteen, Ciel, Elmiraj or some sort of wacky, more arrogant type of SUV that even outdoes the Escalade. Or the Escalade itself 'escalated' to a higher level... with cigar humidor interiors and whiskey holding cabinets and PHOQUE YOU IM A RICH AS$&HOL3 written all over the exterior design.

A Corvette is the COMPLETE opposite of what Cadillac, high end M-B, Jaguar, Aston Martin, Ferrari, Bentley, Rolls Royce etc is all about. All those high end, posh brands I mentioned all cater to the folk that want the finer things in life. That could afford the finer things in life. That want something unique and rare and that almost nobody else has got. All those high end brands in turn try to engineer and produce the best of the best to attract the very few that can afford those brand's products. The ONLY thing the Corvette has in common with that is, that the Corvette offers best of the best performance. And at a price. Low price. The high end stuff also comes at a price. High price. I repeat. The high end stuff is sold at high end prices. The Corvette is engineered to a price point. A price point well BENEATH of those high end stuff and sold well beneath those high end prices. Those high end products are also limited in numbers. Mostly produced by hand and perosnalized to every inch of the finer details. The Corvette is mass produced. Machines and robots for the most part produce it. Many IMPERFECTIONS exist on the Covette as where the other high end products, imperfections are hard to come by... because the owners of those cars PAY a PREMIUM and EXPECT perfection. Corvette's target market really dont care about any squeaks and rattles and if the steering wheel is the exact same one as a Chevy Malibu. (C6) Actually, they wear THAT as a badge of honour as MOST Corvette owners are proud that the Corvette is a CHEVROLET. And want to point the middle finger to the folks that drive high priced sports cars... The high end stuff is usually bespoke to that particualr model. The Corvette, BECAUSE its a CHEVROLET has parts bin economies built into it, so that the PRICE is low low low as low as can be because the performance technology is really best of the best... The high end stuff is really made for the those 1%ers. Those white gloved, snooty, entitled and cuddled folk that look down upon the working guy but NEED the working guy to maintain their riches... The Corvette is made for the blue collar guy. The very guy that works for that white gloved, snooty, entitled and cuddled folk that look down upon the working guy but NEED the working guy to maintain his riches... Or for the self made man that made his money getting his hands dirty. Because since the 1980s, new money has come to be, those lines are blurred between high end stuff and Corvettes with Ferraris and Lambos producing and selling lower priced cars, but higher, way higher than Corvette to cater to the guy that made millions on 4-5 restaurants he bought and managed with family and friends or in the .com era where those guys in the beginning were mere millionnaires and over time got to be billionnaires and now could buy that million dollar plus limited run Ferrari. Yeah...kinda like the AMG-ONE. The Corvette is a performance car that gives a middle finger to those types of cars and owners... Yes...THAT is why a Corvette was, is and will continue to BE a Chevrolet. Cadillac does not NEED a sports car to peddle to the new money folk or the old money folk. What Cadillac needs is a vehicle, that caters to the arrogance of those types of owners... And THAT could mean many things... And THAT is the beauty of Cadillac. Cadillac's image was and still is of brash, arrogantly loud styled vehicles. And THAT could be anything... And THAT is why Corvette is Corvette Chevrolet is Chevrolet Cadillac is Cadillac and Corvette shall always be a Chevrolet.

Stop the idiocy dude. THE XLR WAS ON A C6 LIGHT PLATFORM... AND IT DONT MATTER... STOP PHOQUING TROLLING!!! THE POINT IS... CADILLAC IS CADILLAC CHEVROLET IS CHEVROLET CORVETTE IS CORVETTE IT DONT PHOQUING MATTER WHERE CORVETTE FITS IN THE GENERAL MOTORS HIERARCHY CORVETTE IS A CHEVROLET CADILLAC DOES NOT NEED A CORVETTE, SLS, AMG-ONE, 812 SUPERFAST, COUNTACH, COMPETITIOR AND EVENTUAL PERFORMANCE DOMINATOR ORIENTED CAR IN THIS REALM TO SELL VEHICLES MERCEDES BENZ NEEDS THAT...FOR THEIR HIGHER END CARS TO HELP SELL THEIR LOWER END CARS ALL CADILLAC NEEDS IS TO BE ITSELF. STOP THE STUPIDITY

WRONG Chevy got the C6 a WHOLE YEAR LATER... And yes, the Corvette is faster. It will ALWAYS be faster. Its FASTER than Ferraris, Lambos, Porsches all costing double and triple the price... And the Corvette will ALWAYS BE a Chevrolet. The Corvette is NOT GM's or Cadillac's halo car. Its Chevrolet's. Cadillac is NOT a PERFORMANCE brand. Well...NOW it is. Using the CHEVROLET SMALL BLOCK. Its NOT a negative. It just is the way that it is. And Cadillac DOES sell. Cadillac sells just about MORE LUXURY vehicles than Mercedes sells LUXURY vehicles... Ive done this exercise with you before... Mercedes is a full blown, complete line maker of automobiles. Mercedes sells just as MANY Chevrolet level autos as Chevy does... Same market niches too. Its just that Mercedes is the COMPLETE brand. Chevrolet is a brand Cadillac is a brand General Motors is NOT a brand. Its just a multinational corporation OWNING SEVERAL AUTOMOTIVE brands... DAIMLER AG is somewhat that GM equivalent... The thing is, Mercedes the BRAND plays in the econobox market as well as the luxury market under the SAME BRAND Chevrolet and Cadillac are NOT the same brand. NOT the same MOTOR company...

AMG is JUST a tuner devision... In fact, AMG wasnt even RELATED to Mercedes Benz at one time. M-B bought out the company. AMG was just a slightly more than a tuner shop hot rodding not only Mercedes cars, but BMWs too... AMG now, is just the performance arm of Mercedes taking EXISTING Mercedes vehicles and adding more performance to them . AMG does NOT build its own vehicles. Only rare occasions they do. Like the AMG-One. But the AMG-One is just a 275 limited production run. Chevrolet is a full blown, complete line of production vehicles ranging from civilian use to police force to comercial line to racing cars and engines. Cadillac is also a full blown, complete line of production vehicles. Both Chevrolet and Cadillac are mass produced vehicles under a LARGER owned corporation called General Motors. NOT THE SAME THING as the relationship that Mercedes has with AMG... If "SS" was a tuner hot rodding shop, that produced hotter versions of Malibus, Chevelles, Impalas, Camaros, Cruzes, Trailblazers, etc and Chevrolet would have bought them and "SS" would continue to build better performing Chevroler vehicles UNDER the Chevrolet brand and NOT General Motors...THAN we'd have an apples to apple comparison. The closest we ever got to a Mercedes and AMG relationship with GM is with a tuner shop called SLP that did better performing G3 Firebirds, than G4 Firebirds/Trans Ams, then G4 Camaros with the Trans Ams that were bought straight from the dealerships and were sold as Trans Am WS6 and Camaro SS and then Grand Prixs and G8s... But GM NEVER bought SLP...

Not any more... Didnt I hear that AMG S Class coupe and conertible will nix V8s for TTV6s? And FYI The XLR was on a updated C5 chassis that was closer to the C6. But only YOU will find that as a negative. The C5 platform is STILL competitive performance wise in 2020 with TODAY's sports cars when HP is upgraded with suspension and brake tune-ups to match the HP... Being on a PURE C5 platform (which it wasnt anyway, was NOT a negative) It REALLY was on a updated C5, not quite full blown C6 platform. If you knew...the C5, C6 AND C7 are really really closely related to each other anyway...