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It was "fine" when it first came out in like 08 or so but it is literally the same damn thing in 2018. The Fusion passed it up in interior space and about everything else while it was left to rot. The Fusion is was really did it in. They do have an SHO Taurus still. 365hp/350tq. Or did I read that wrong..? lol

There are plenty of Tauruses where I live but I still hate them so much. Ugly, bulky car.

I'm amazed how well the Taco still does since the entry of the GM twins. It never even skipped a beat.

I was looking at YTD. not just December. Even then it's compared to last December.

Yeah, that is definitely a better looking design but that's also in cars that aren't 15k so I'd hope they did a better job. I'd agree with your wanting analog gauges mixed with an info display. I'd like the screen a little larger if I'm being picky but my car is small so I wouldn't expect to have a larger screen.

Yeah some of those car drops are pretty brutal.. Fusion and Mustang.

I have to assume this isn't what you're talking about even though it sounds like what you're talking about.. Mechanical guages + smal info screen.

I like the full customization for instrument clusters like the new Mustang. I'd be okay with an analog tach/speedo but still maintain an LCD screen of some sort for additional information. That's what I have now but I wouldn't be opposed to more digital for a larger display of the additional information. Heck, the LCD screen can be set to speed anyway. I am a fuel economy whore though. I love that information. My mom's 2012 Fusion gives crappy mpg information. Her's is like a damn bar that goes up and down for instant readout but it just isn't that accurate because the scaling and size of the screen.

I think MB lineup looks great and wouldn't change it. You should be preaching to every mainstream brand, not just Mercedes.

Oh wow, Thank you, @Drew Dowdell!

As much as I think I'd like the feel of a transmission shifting gears, is there any benefit for that in an EV? Are RPM's and spinning speed of a motor ever a factor in an EV to the point that you'd want to slow them down through gearing?

That'd be a deal breaker at this point...

It's amazing what people will pay for those though. The gf has had a lot of people tell her to let them know when she wants to sell it.

Literally, never said that. In fact, please quote me to prove me wrong. you've gotten to the point where your sh!t is just difficult to read because it's so half caps half normal. For the sake of us trying to communicate with you, stop that every other word capitalizing crap. I literally didn't even bother reading what I quoted as it's just a mess and it's likely like your other rant-posts. I'd like to see one of these in person and be able to give it a good walk around.

Dude, let it go. You're in love with the chevy motor. I'm not. Deal with it.

Did I ever say that the Chevy motor was some piece of junk or something? Or was it that I didn't agree that triggered you? That I laughed at the idea that a truck motor could possibly be considered the greatest v8 motor? That the 5.3 is a dog compared it its most direct competition..from Chevy guys' mouths. That it just doesn't tickle my fancy like it does yours? I get an egg in the face because @Cubical-aka-Moltar and I agree that it is a subjective topic?

Nope, It's that I just don't care. The Chevy V8's don't get me excited to hear them. They don't make be feel crazy to want to drive them. Yes, I want to drive everything in the world at least once but I wouldn't put a Camaro SS or Corvette high on those lists. ZL1 and Z06 versions scoot up there pretty high and they're BAD-A$$ cars but they just don't excite me like other cars do and that's all that really matters. Essentially the "would you spend your own money".

Fine, The AMG 6.2 sounds like absolute heaven and its characteristics are actually similar to the Chevy 6.2 but it sounds better to me. Personally, the ability to be in a truck or a police car means less than nothing when talking about the "best" V8. Cool, they're made for sh!tty vehicles where people don't care what's under the hood or what the drive wheels probable are, awesome. BUT THE ENGINE IS THE BEST IN THE WORLD!!! Give me the high performance end of the spectrum. You keep speaking LS but now it must be a production vehicles' engine? Isn't that just left for the 5.3? Ever talk to anybody who's driven the 5.3? I know two chevy guys and one neutral guy who say it's a dud. One bought an older 6.0, one got a 3.5EB F150, and the neutral guy ended up with a car. Classic Olds... tells somebody else they're raging while posting a half of a page. I'm not even going to try and convince you why I think the AMG 6.2 is "better" and I already explained why. If you'd like me to highlight it for you, let me know.

What in the f*ck are you even talking about at this point? If you're speaking of biased you're the only one arguing for only one engine here. So go into detail about how much better the Chevy engine is engineered compared to an AMG engine. Is it because it is a truck motor too? Is that your argument for the SBC? It is a truck and race motor? Hello Ford Coyote and FCA Hemi. You keep skipping over the AMG 6.2. Regardless, ...so what..? I can't love more than one engine family? You're right. And they're building a DOCH turbo engine.

Exactly! That's all that really matters. What it makes you feel and how much the driver likes it. There are just too many variables to truly decide what makes one engine "better" than the other when there are hundreds of thousands of other parts that play a factor in the vehicle as well...the rest of the vehicle. One example: fuel economy? gearing + aero efficiency + wheel weight/tire drag play a major role so the engine might be efficient or not and the other parts of the vehicle could drag it down or prop it up to look better or worse than it is. None of us here could factually separate the GM 6.2 from the Ford 5.0 in which engine ALONE is the most efficient. There are too many factors in both trucks and cars to make the engines alone just another piece to the puzzle.

I don't even know what you're getting at here. I not once denied anything like that. You're in full rant-mode right now. Sorry I don't have a huge boner over the SBC, for the most part. It just doesn't do anything special to me. It doesn't make me want to hear it or go drive a 5.3 Silverado. 6.2's? Yes. I'd love to experience the 7.0 LS7.

How much smaller are they compared to say the 6.2 AMG? Yes, it is an opinion that them doing that makes it any better than any other V8. I'm not dissing the engines themselves but using that as an argument as to why they are great, is weak sauce.

They will always lead the way in redneck ownership as well. Were they all the personal opinions you just went on about? Or did I miss something factual in there? I have no real dog in this fight. I just don't think there is anything special about the SBC. I'd rather listen to the brash 6.2's from AMG, 5.2 from Ford, and the numerous flat plane crank Ferrari and Mclaren V8s. Are they "better"? You'd say no because of opinion but there's nothing that draws a definite line in the sand from the Chevy motor to other motors. But like I said, which one gives you the most feels? It sure seems like its the Chevy motor for you. I can't get enough of the 6.2 from AMG and the 5.2 from Ford. Without even driving them they get me all excited just hearing them! None of the other engines in the world will have the following of a SBC because its a truck motor too that sells hundreds of thousands of units per year. The volume alone gathers a great following before adding in the Camaro, Vette, and CTS-V. The Ford 5.0 and FCA 5.7 are the only ones that can compete on the level of following.

I think the only thing that makes one "best" is how it makes the driver feel while piloting the vehicle. They all have different characteristics and I think "value", hp per liter, sound, compactness, efficiency, durability all looked at individually are terrible. Combine them all and you'll never find a Ferrari or AMG v8 with 300,000 miles on it so they wouldn't even be considered..which wouldn't be accurate, imo. Deciding factor? How much irrational love for it do you have?

Nobody forced you to lease this vehicle. There are plenty of other vehicles to choose from. Heck, even a V6 would have suited him, most likely. For sure, those could be had with plenty of discounts and it would have been a little better in the fuel economy field while still being able to smoke the 1.5T with its 300hp 3.6L.