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If my calculator fingers are correct GM has sold 158,063 plug in EV's through October 2017. Obviously this year is the biggest year with the Bolt and CT6(only 275 CT6's) and Volt going strong. So realistically, in about a year-year and a half GM will be out of theirs. I heard Tesla was even closer so I'll just guesstimate and say 8-10 months?

How close are they now? I understand how that works but subsidizing 20% of somebody's personal vehicle? That's the Bolt, the Leaf would be almost 25%. Is that how civil society works, we help people buy cars? Now, an idea, maybe if it was a certain percentage up to a max dollar amount(so your 120k Tesla isn't getting like 20k in tax credits or some crazy sh!t)

Did you have respect before? Politics have been corrupt and $h!ty since the beginning of time.

Because nobody likes it, lol. I wouldn't buy that.. Numbers:looks:size ratio isn't there for me.

Yeah and you and I are paying for these tax credits.. so people can buy their vehicles are cheaper prices. So unless anybody here is in the market for an EV in the next year it doesn't make any difference. Which, it doesn't seem like anybody is. Yes the Bolt does ave double the range but as I've been proven, most aren't driving that far anyway so why spend 7k more for something you'll hardly ever use? I know what the credit is for. It's been there. It's been going on. It doesn't need to keep going. How long do you want to compensate other people's vehicles for? I understand it was to kick start the "movement" and it has been kick started. Every automaker has a ton of EVs coming to marker in the next 5-10 years. Do you think this will suddenly stop them?

I can't agree more!

With or without the tax credit does not change how much it costs GM to produce a Bolt. That's a consumer credit. Yeah I know it makes it more affordable for a broader spectrum of people... why does everybody deserve to drive an EV? If you can afford one and want one, buy it. If you're that close to being able to afford it or nor afford it, you likely SHOULDN'T be buying it anyway. Maybe instead of a $37,500 Bolt they should have done something more Leaf-like and start under 31k pre-tax. I don't have the answer but I don't think this credit is a necessity, or at least this amount. If I remember correctly, beyond the 200,000 cap, it dropped to $5,000 for X amount of units then maybe $2,500 for another X number of units before going completely away?

It's not trolling at all. That's what has been proven to me by yourself and dfelt... on multiple occasions. All of this superior technology should sell itself. It isn't like they haven't been in the market for awhile now. I don't think it is a NECESSITY for the tax credit. It would be nice but I don't think this is that big of an issue.

I absolutely know that, that's why I said that already.

Well I would have been convinced otherwise according to members' talk. How often to people need to drive more than 230 miles in a day? Charge at home and we don't even need an infrastructure.

Because loan companies keep extending loan terms. 60 months was long at one point. Now there are some 96 month auto loans!! NINETY SIX MONTHS!!! That thing is depreciating waaaaay faster than the owner is paying it off and then they get conned into GAP coverage too.

I can't agree enough with this.

Great deals but I'd want to wait another year for even more heavy depreciation. Those first few years depreciate really bad. Plus, what's the diference between 12,000 miles and 30,000 miles? Nothing, imo. I'd gladly take one of them off their hands! C400 would be nice. That's not a bad thing, I don't think... If anything, it brings them more cash as a "double sale". I'd think fleet sales would be more detrimental to a company than leases.

And they have primed the pump... And according to ppl here EVs can be driven everywhere so there's already enough infrastructure so why do they need to keep priming a pump that's already primed? Or I guess, how much longer should they do this?

Well, if EV's are all they're talked up to be then people will still buy them, right? I also don't think it's a huge issue. Like it's already been said, Tesla, GM, and Nissan are coming up on their 200,000 anyway. What's more important? Letting consumers potentially save $7500 on something that they probably don't need to be buying or spending the $7500 somewhere else or just reducing debt? FWIW, as far as I know, nobody here has even taken advantage of the credit anyway.. Nobody is on the verge of it(or at least spoken out about it).

I don't necessarily mean physical dimensions but things like mounting locations, trans mounting and things like that. but turbo plumbing probably isn't the easiest in the front end of a van.

Oh I definitely agree. I would have said the Chevy 6.2 but Ford doesn't make it, LOL. This would actually be a perfect fit for the new diesel that'll go in the F150... but it'll be expensive and if it's a rental vehicle I doubt Uhaul gives a crap how much better it is because it would cost them more. Plus idiot renters WILL end up putting gasoline in the diesel tank. Yeah I'm assuming the biggest hold up with not putting either V6 ecoboost is that the E Series is so old and designed with different motors in mind that there just isn't a good way to cram a turbo v6 under the hood anyway. It just seems like there as to be a better option for the V10. I UNDERSTAND why it's used... but still seems odd.. it's 2017. hahaha

Sh!t, only 5 years ago it was good still. They just started whoring it out in the last couple of years.

The ZL1 1LE and Z06 beat everything except the AMG GT R. Period. Mercedes has AMG Coupes like the C63 Coupe, E63 Coupe, SLC43(fake AMG), and SL63 so we're not comparing the sporty coupes of GM to sedans at Mercedes.

Ahhhh now things are making more sense! Fleet E-Series. I knew they were only for work vans but I hadn't thought of Uhaul or places like that buying them. I had to look it up.. 288hp or 320hp and 424tq or 460tq. What a freakin' dog of a motor. Nothing a simple 3.5 EB couldn't handle with ease.

Are they all like, made-to-order then? Like they have the chassis and when somebody orders them, then they assemble them? Man, that's one old-ass vehicle bones! lol

That's not GM's fault that FCA lost products to sell. Or Ford's or Toyota's...

Yeah they're definitely work-only vans. I just wasn't sure if there was just that much overproduced at the time or if they actually still produce these new sales.

I forgot about the Alfas, good point. That Guilia is pretty. Renegade is one as well but those vans aren't really new.. Hasn't Ram/Dodge always had work vans?