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Mercedes-Benz USA Reports October Sales of 28,995, Up 1.0%

Nov 1, 2017 – ATLANTA

Mercedes-Benz USA (MBUSA) today reported October sales of 28,955 units, an increase of 1.0% from the 28,659 vehicles sold during the same period last year. Mercedes-Benz Vans reported October sales with 2,446 units and smart reported 140 units, bringing the MBUSA grand total to 31,541 vehicles for the month. On a year-to-date basis, Mercedes-Benz retails totaled 271,205 units.

"We are on track for a solid close to 2017 as we continue into the fourth quarter," said Dietmar Exler, president and CEO of MBUSA. "Momentum is growing with our newly launched S-Class Sedan, AMG models and the strong demand for our SUV lineup."

Mercedes-Benz volume leaders in October included the C-Class, GLE and E-Class (including the CLS) model lines. The C-Class took the lead at 5,996, followed by GLE sales of 4,817. The E-Class rounded out the top three with 4,681 units sold.

Mercedes-AMG high-performance models sold 3,256 units in October, with a total 26,822 sold year-to-date (up 52.9%).

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I see MB continuation of being a German version of Toyota or GM or Ford or FCA is on track. A 3 pointed star in everyone's garage is the focus equal to your income level. How noble of them.

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7 hours ago, balthazar said:

This car outperforms all of the 37 AMG models except just one.
Too bad the company that builds it 'doesn't push performance'.

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...its better looking too!

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17 hours ago, smk4565 said:

They are on pace for 30,000 AMG’s sold this year which is tremendous I think. In a world of dumbed down cookie cutter front drive crossovers and 147 hp compact cars, it is good that some one is still pushing performance.

I am assuming you are including Benz in the FWD crossover and compact car category right?

 

And AMGs? LMAO! That used to mean something before they slapped that on every other car they make, regardless of whether they had any real performance cred.

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10 hours ago, balthazar said:

This car outperforms all of the 37 AMG models except just one.
Too bad the company that builds it 'doesn't push performance'.

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GM makes 4 performance cars: Camaro, Corvette, ATS-V and CTS-V.  Zero performance SUVs, which is the #1 selling body style.   I'll still take 37 performance models over 7-8 if you want to split down trim levels of the Camaro/Corvette.  And that is still more than Ford/Lincoln, Acura/Honda, Nissan/Infiniti, they hardly have anything, 2 performance cars each.

The ZL1 is quite the achievement though, it is faster than a Z06 Corvette at less money, plus you get a back seat, so it is a tremendous performance value.  Not a luxury car though, but a great track performer, one of the best at any price.

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15 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

GM makes 4 performance cars: Camaro, Corvette, ATS-V and CTS-V.  Zero performance SUVs, which is the #1 selling body style.   I'll still take 37 performance models over 7-8 if you want to split down trim levels of the Camaro/Corvette.  And that is still more than Ford/Lincoln, Acura/Honda, Nissan/Infiniti, they hardly have anything, 2 performance cars each.

The ZL1 is quite the achievement though, it is faster than a Z06 Corvette at less money, plus you get a back seat, so it is a tremendous performance value.  Not a luxury car though, but a great track performer, one of the best at any price.

And moving the bar again while ignoring the fundamental problem with your statement. Ever heard the phrase “quality over quantity”?

 

And “performance SUVs”? Talk about an oxymoron with little justification for its existence other than to satisfy 1,000 people a year. Yeah, that’s a great use of R&D money (sarcasm wholly intended here). 

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1 hour ago, surreal1272 said:

That used to mean something before they slapped that on every other car they make, regardless of whether they had any real performance cred.

It's sad because it's true.. now that they have the equivalent to M Sport at BMW with the fake-ass C43 and E43 crap...I hate it. I love me some real AMG but the watered down-ness SUCKS. 

21 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

And that is still more than Ford/Lincoln, Acura/Honda, Nissan/Infiniti, they hardly have anything, 2 performance cars each.

Ford/Lincoln have more than 2 performance cars each.

Fiesta ST

Focus ST

GT350/R (I won't count the Mustang GT as it's reptitive, just the top line Shelby)

Raptor

GT 

I wouldn't put them in the same class but theirs an Edge Sport, Explorer Sport, and Taurus SHO(I hate the Taurus!) but they're more performance than every other mainstream brands have. 

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26 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

It's sad because it's true.. now that they have the equivalent to M Sport at BMW with the fake-ass C43 and E43 crap...I hate it. I love me some real AMG but the watered down-ness SUCKS. 

Ford/Lincoln have more than 2 performance cars each.

Fiesta ST

Focus ST

GT350/R (I won't count the Mustang GT as it's reptitive, just the top line Shelby)

Raptor

GT 

I wouldn't put them in the same class but there's*** an Edge Sport, Explorer Sport, and Taurus SHO(I hate the Taurus!) but they're more performance than every other mainstream brands have. 

I fixed a typo that bothered me. lol

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21 hours ago, smk4565 said:

They are on pace for 30,000 AMG’s sold this year which is tremendous I think. In a world of dumbed down cookie cutter front drive crossovers and 147 hp compact cars, it is good that some one is still pushing performance.

Why are all of those AMG models all up to 100 horsepower and 100 lb-ft of torque behind any class competition from Cadillac?

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2 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

And moving the bar again while ignoring the fundamental problem with your statement. Ever heard the phrase “quality over quantity”?

 

And “performance SUVs”? Talk about an oxymoron with little justification for its existence other than to satisfy 1,000 people a year. Yeah, that’s a great use of R&D money (sarcasm wholly intended here). 

If you are going on "quality" the AMG GT R can beat anything GM has ever made, there is a more hardcore version of that car coming too, probably an AMG Black Series.

But line up the cars, the E63 is faster than a CTS-V (or any Japanese sedan or any Audi or Alfa Romeo) the C63 is faster than the ATS-V.  Saying the Corvette Z06 beats an E63 on a race track is sort of a pointless comparison when one is a mid-size sedan once is a sports car.

And I don't think performance SUVs is to satisfy 1,000 people a year.  20 years ago, there was the M3, M5 and C36, E55, and that was it.  Now there are probably 20+ performance sedans out there, because people wanted sedans and not coupes.  Today's sedan is the 90s coupe, and it is getting replaces with the SUV.  By 2025 there will be more GLE63 SUVs sold than M5's or E63's I bet.  Porsche sells more SUVs than they do cars.  

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9 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

If you are going on "quality" the AMG GT R can beat anything GM has ever made, there is a more hardcore version of that car coming too, probably an AMG Black Series.

But line up the cars, the E63 is faster than a CTS-V (or any Japanese sedan or any Audi or Alfa Romeo) the C63 is faster than the ATS-V.  Saying the Corvette Z06 beats an E63 on a race track is sort of a pointless comparison when one is a mid-size sedan once is a sports car.

And I don't think performance SUVs is to satisfy 1,000 people a year.  20 years ago, there was the M3, M5 and C36, E55, and that was it.  Now there are probably 20+ performance sedans out there, because people wanted sedans and not coupes.  Today's sedan is the 90s coupe, and it is getting replaces with the SUV.  By 2025 there will be more GLE63 SUVs sold than M5's or E63's I bet.  Porsche sells more SUVs than they do cars.  

So the only comparison you make out the 37 AMGs is by using one the most expensive examples? Yeah, real convincing there. I am referring to the fact that there are 37 AMGs and they are not the exclusiveness they once were. 

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2 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Why are all of the AMG models all up to 100 horsepower and 100 lb-ft of torque behind any class competition from Cadillac?

How so?  The C63 has 503 hp vs 465 hp in an ATS-V, the E63 has 603 hp vs 640 in the CTS-V, and the E63 is still a faster accelerating car due to AWD and better low end torque.

The GLE63 has 267 hp more than an XT5, the GLS63 has 157 hp more than an Escalade.  The G65 has 201 hp more than an Escalade.

Yes they have a 362 hp C43 and 396 hp E43, both of which do 0-60 as fast as a Ford Mustang GT and quicker than a CTS V-sport.  The C43 is the ATS 3.6 V6 competitor., one is just vastly quicker than the other.

And we haven't even touched on the fact that Mercedes-AMG will be taking their hyper car to the Nurburgring next year and the record will be shattered.  And I still say Mercedes needs to build more of them, they have around 1,000 people on the waiting list, but are only making 300, dumb move.  Even it if takes 5 years, they should build 1000 of them.

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15 years ago, the AMG meant something because you only had one or three models (top tier models at that). Now they slap it on Damn near everything. It is just like when Chevy ruined the SS designation by slapping on FWD cars. Point being it has deluded the brand by slapping on everything, hence my quality of quantity remark. 

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9 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

How so?  The C63 has 503 hp vs 465 hp in an ATS-V, the E63 has 603 hp vs 640 in the CTS-V, and the E63 is still a faster accelerating car due to AWD and better low end torque.

The GLE63 has 267 hp more than an XT5, the GLS63 has 157 hp more than an Escalade.  The G65 has 201 hp more than an Escalade.

Yes they have a 362 hp C43 and 396 hp E43, both of which do 0-60 as fast as a Ford Mustang GT and quicker than a CTS V-sport.  The C43 is the ATS 3.6 V6 competitor., one is just vastly quicker than the other.

And we haven't even touched on the fact that Mercedes-AMG will be taking their hyper car to the Nurburgring next year and the record will be shattered.  And I still say Mercedes needs to build more of them, they have around 1,000 people on the waiting list, but are only making 300, dumb move.  Even it if takes 5 years, they should build 1000 of them.

What do you mean "How so?"

You show it yourself. Every Cadillac engine has more power than the Benz version. 

 

N/A V6 - Benz doesn't even make one and has you make due with a Turbo-4 instead. Cadillac's can go to 335hp. But just for good measure, Cadillac's 4-cylinder also beats the standard issue Benz 4-cylinder too. Sure you can get the CLA AMG43, but unlocking more power from the Cadillac LTG is just a stage kit away. 

Turbo V6 - Benz tops out at 396. Cadillac has a 3.0TT which isn't even a "V" engine that does more than that, the 3.6TT makes up to 460. 

V8 - Benz makes 383 horsepower to Cadillac's 420. 

Force-fed V8 - Again, Benz comes up short. 

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1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

But line up the cars, the E63 is faster than a CTS-V (or any Japanese sedan or any Audi or Alfa Romeo) the C63 is faster than the ATS-V.  Saying the Corvette Z06 beats an E63 on a race track is sort of a pointless comparison when one is a mid-size sedan once is a sports car.

The ZL1 1LE and Z06 beat everything except the AMG GT R. Period. Mercedes has AMG Coupes like the C63 Coupe, E63 Coupe, SLC43(fake AMG), and SL63 so we're not comparing the sporty coupes of GM to sedans at Mercedes. 

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@smk4565 MB has turned the AMG badge into a whore as it allows an AMG appearance package to be sold on just about every model they build. As such, like Chevy did to the SS badge by destroying it's street cred, MB has done to AMG destroying it special status and street cred.

On top of this is what Balthazar posted about the crazy insane

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2 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

What do you mean "How so?"

You show it yourself. Every Cadillac engine has more power than the Benz version. 

 

N/A V6 - Benz doesn't even make one and has you make due with a Turbo-4 instead. Cadillac's can go to 335hp. But just for good measure, Cadillac's 4-cylinder also beats the standard issue Benz 4-cylinder too. Sure you can get the CLA AMG43, but unlocking more power from the Cadillac LTG is just a stage kit away. 

Turbo V6 - Benz tops out at 396. Cadillac has a 3.0TT which isn't even a "V" engine that does more than that, the 3.6TT makes up to 460. 

V8 - Benz makes 383 horsepower to Cadillac's 420. 

Force-fed V8 - Again, Benz comes up short. 

Model by model though, the CTS-V outpowers the E63, the C63 outpowers the ATS-V.  S560 outpowers any CT6, GLS550 outpowers Escalade, don't even need AMG engines for those.

If you just want to compare 4 cylinder to 4 cylinder, MB will fix that in 2018 with the 308 hp 48 volt turbo 4, there is an E400 with 329 hp, 354 lb-ft that is way more torque than a Cadillac 3.6 V6.  They have 3 body styles of E400, sedan joining soon.

Cadillac has 2 models with a V8, Mercedes has 20-some, I wouldn't call Cadillac the superior performance brand.

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