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I think it's a decent idea.. but it also doesn't really seem fair to a "free market" that just because you built a more luxurious or overall better EV that it should be somewhat punished. Otherwise they could pop out 100 mile range $h! boxes for dirt cheap and that doesn't really help us much either. I don't think they all need to focus on more affordable EVs for the masses as long as the mainstream brands already are, which they are. They won't. Like you said, they will throw some of the savings into the price like companies do for anything that's "high efficiency" be it a refrigerator, windows, AC unit... -
So is President of the United States, Congressman, or Senator. Does that no longer make them a politician because it is their job title?
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Saying the “appointed idiot at the head of the U. S. Department of energy” isn’t political? That’s not some..politician..? It’s null depending on which side of the line you’re on. ..isn’t your Acura black..?
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I would not consider it an "ultimate marketing strategy" because it's what every auto maker does with their concept cars at shows. It's good, but not ultimate or ground breaking.
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So $7,500 -> $3,750-> $1,875(for those who don't want to math). I thought it was a tiered process. See, I still think that is a good idea. I don't think 7500 is necessary though. Drop it down to 5000, 2500, 1250. Plus, if this is a concern for you, you have 2 months to go buy your EV for a full $7500 tax credit!
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Absolutely. There are gas stations everywhere to fill up, no reason to make a big heavy gas tank taking up valuable space. *sarcasm(because it's tough to read that through internet words)* So in the next 18 months THAT much is going to change that was NEED this credit? Anybody find out if this was a step-down tax credit like I thought it was earlier? If so, it seems more necessary to ween people on but if it's a sudden cut-off anyway.. doesn't matter when if it's only a year to a year and a half away anyway. Also, you say "need" to happen sooner than later, why?
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So then what's the point? If its inevitably happening why subsidize it even longer? And why do we care what EV sales drop a little for? It's inevitable that they're coming. Other countries mandates on EV's and displacement are going to assure us we will be getting the same EV doses even if it isn't a 100% mandate like some countries/cities.If this was going to make EV's go away, I wouldn't want it but they're not going to go away from this tax credit that is close to running up anyway.
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I saw a minuscule 143 units. https://insideevs.com/monthly-plug-in-sales-scorecard/
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Because everybody uses roads... One individual drives their own car(or couple/family/etc). I have stated that gas tax could use an increase. With how little it's gone up and how much costs have increase, I understand that. I haven't opposed it, you just don't remember. I have said it a few times already, I'm not protesting or opposed to it, It just don't think it is as big of an issue as it is being made out to be.
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If my calculator fingers are correct GM has sold 158,063 plug in EV's through October 2017. Obviously this year is the biggest year with the Bolt and CT6(only 275 CT6's) and Volt going strong. So realistically, in about a year-year and a half GM will be out of theirs. I heard Tesla was even closer so I'll just guesstimate and say 8-10 months?
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How close are they now? I understand how that works but subsidizing 20% of somebody's personal vehicle? That's the Bolt, the Leaf would be almost 25%. Is that how civil society works, we help people buy cars? Now, an idea, maybe if it was a certain percentage up to a max dollar amount(so your 120k Tesla isn't getting like 20k in tax credits or some crazy sh!t)
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Did you have respect before? Politics have been corrupt and $h!ty since the beginning of time.
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Because nobody likes it, lol. I wouldn't buy that.. Numbers:looks:size ratio isn't there for me.
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Yeah and you and I are paying for these tax credits.. so people can buy their vehicles are cheaper prices. So unless anybody here is in the market for an EV in the next year it doesn't make any difference. Which, it doesn't seem like anybody is. Yes the Bolt does ave double the range but as I've been proven, most aren't driving that far anyway so why spend 7k more for something you'll hardly ever use? I know what the credit is for. It's been there. It's been going on. It doesn't need to keep going. How long do you want to compensate other people's vehicles for? I understand it was to kick start the "movement" and it has been kick started. Every automaker has a ton of EVs coming to marker in the next 5-10 years. Do you think this will suddenly stop them?
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With or without the tax credit does not change how much it costs GM to produce a Bolt. That's a consumer credit. Yeah I know it makes it more affordable for a broader spectrum of people... why does everybody deserve to drive an EV? If you can afford one and want one, buy it. If you're that close to being able to afford it or nor afford it, you likely SHOULDN'T be buying it anyway. Maybe instead of a $37,500 Bolt they should have done something more Leaf-like and start under 31k pre-tax. I don't have the answer but I don't think this credit is a necessity, or at least this amount. If I remember correctly, beyond the 200,000 cap, it dropped to $5,000 for X amount of units then maybe $2,500 for another X number of units before going completely away?
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It's not trolling at all. That's what has been proven to me by yourself and dfelt... on multiple occasions. All of this superior technology should sell itself. It isn't like they haven't been in the market for awhile now. I don't think it is a NECESSITY for the tax credit. It would be nice but I don't think this is that big of an issue.
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I absolutely know that, that's why I said that already.
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Well I would have been convinced otherwise according to members' talk. How often to people need to drive more than 230 miles in a day? Charge at home and we don't even need an infrastructure.
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Because loan companies keep extending loan terms. 60 months was long at one point. Now there are some 96 month auto loans!! NINETY SIX MONTHS!!! That thing is depreciating waaaaay faster than the owner is paying it off and then they get conned into GAP coverage too.
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I can't agree enough with this.
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Great deals but I'd want to wait another year for even more heavy depreciation. Those first few years depreciate really bad. Plus, what's the diference between 12,000 miles and 30,000 miles? Nothing, imo. I'd gladly take one of them off their hands! C400 would be nice. That's not a bad thing, I don't think... If anything, it brings them more cash as a "double sale". I'd think fleet sales would be more detrimental to a company than leases.
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And they have primed the pump... And according to ppl here EVs can be driven everywhere so there's already enough infrastructure so why do they need to keep priming a pump that's already primed? Or I guess, how much longer should they do this?
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Well, if EV's are all they're talked up to be then people will still buy them, right? I also don't think it's a huge issue. Like it's already been said, Tesla, GM, and Nissan are coming up on their 200,000 anyway. What's more important? Letting consumers potentially save $7500 on something that they probably don't need to be buying or spending the $7500 somewhere else or just reducing debt? FWIW, as far as I know, nobody here has even taken advantage of the credit anyway.. Nobody is on the verge of it(or at least spoken out about it).
