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Random, did you guys realize Elon Musk was the creator of PayPal?? I just found this out yesterday.

Hey dfelt, What do you think about this workout? http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/kris-gethins-12-week-muscle-building-trainer.html I've done the first 9 weeks, I believe. And I've done be best not skipping anything listed or days in general. Edit: Yesterday was Day 71.

The Evoque has a lot of off road goodies doesn't it? Like multiple terrain management, raise and lower suspension accordingly, those fancy front cameras to look around obstacles as you're creeping around them?

Just out of curiosity... what do you consider an "exotic"? I had this discussion with my friends awhile back and it seems everybody has a different perspective of the phrase "exotic car".

The Rover has serious off road capabilities though. It is larger like the GLS but the GLS is good for parking in the grass to watch fireworks or something but that's about it.

But almost nothing competes with what it can do. If you want a luxury off-roader you have like two choices..

Yes we can but you know there is a big difference between first year and five year depreciation and it doesn't take away from my sheep remark given the evidence I presented. Depreciation % makes a buyer a sheep? GMC Yukon is on the top ten list of 5 year depreciation %, Chevy Impala, CTS, MKS are all on two of the top 10 depreciation lists I saw.. I don't think any Lincoln buyer is a following some trend obliviously. That's a lot of sheep out there then.

You don't have to exploit the full potential of 0-60 to appreciate the quicker vehicle. Depreciation does not make one vehicle better or worse than the other, hence S Class. It's also funny that I found an article stating the G Class is in the top 10 lowest depreciation in the first year of ownership. http://www.autoblog.com/photos/cars-that-depreciate-the-slowest/#slide-3339824 Regardless of opinion the G Wagen sells very well for what it is. That's why the average transaction price was only $1100 under MSRP. People love it. People pay for it. We can agree to disagree.

So why ever buy any BMW/MB over a Corvette, Mustang, Fusion, Impala, Edge,? "dynamics" don't make a car "better". They have less room, less efficient, if one metric is better..like lateral grip.. does that make it better and worth buying over an Impala or Camry? "Better" is an relative term. Better for you is different than better for me. What SUVs do what the G does and does it better? There are only a few SUVs that even compete in the category the G does. Range Rover, Wrangler, Land Cruiser and they are all over the place in comparison to each other. Nobody looking for a Mercedes is thinking of a Jeep or Toyota. Heck those two are slow as balls in comparison to a G550. Maybe the customer wants a Land Cruiser but they want some balls under the hood. If you are buying an luxury SUV for its "balls", then you are buying the wrong type of vehicle. I stand by my assertion, even though I do see what you're getting at but you cannot deny the sheep mentality towards something like that when there are better options. A Land Cruiser has plenty of power and has a far better rep off road and it is unsurpassed in the reliability and high resale department. The drop off on the G wagon after just a few years is insane. Why does it have to be the wrong type of vehicle? Why can't a vehicle run a mid-low 14's in the 1/4(g550) and still be able to rock crawl with a Wrangler off the showroom floor? Sheep will flock to ANYTHING that is rare/exotic with a label to it though. Hell, people are going to buy those nasty GLC Coupes, GLE Coupes, X4's, X6's... I bet A LOT of it is because the brand. But the G Wagen actually has some very impressive capabilities both in straight line performance and off the beaten path. Toyota HANDS DOWN has a great rep for reliability but this Land Cruiser is an 8 seater.. That's a big-ass SUV compared to a G Wagen. Hard to even compare them other than their off-road worthiness. I'm not sure what the resale will be on an 85k Toyota but it'll likely be dog$h! a long with anything else in this price range and up. G Wagens don't have a terrible resale considering. Alright, I randomly KBB'd a 2005 G500 and Land Cruiser @150,000 miles and the only option box I checked was the color and I made them both black. Both to private parties and both "good" condition(middle choise) Land Cruiser: $12,702 G500: $23,283 Same thing for 2010 but 100,000 miles instead. Land Cruiser: $31,746 G550: $44,723 Seems like they both keep roughly the same % away from each other as they depreciate.

What motor is in the G(squared) (or whatever it is called) Is it the G550 engine? or the G63? Orrrrr the G65's V12? I am assuming it isn't the G350d's diesel motor.

From my perspective, if one can find better options for far less money but only buy the overpriced one because of the badge on the hood, that is the very definition of being a sheep.I understand.. but kind of disagree.. That would put Audi, BMW, MB, Bentley, Rolls... all out of business. Yes, nobody makes cars like Rolls does but "for the money" they are as overpriced as they come because you could buy an Impala and have it all customed to make it uber luxurious for waaaaaay less than the 250k+ or whatever it costs. There is an awkward medium in there. There's no medium here. If there are far better SUVs out there for far less money (and there are) yet your average Benz buyer still flocks to the G? Sheep. So why ever buy any BMW/MB over a Corvette, Mustang, Fusion, Impala, Edge,? "dynamics" don't make a car "better". They have less room, less efficient, if one metric is better..like lateral grip.. does that make it better and worth buying over an Impala or Camry? "Better" is an relative term. Better for you is different than better for me. What SUVs do what the G does and does it better? There are only a few SUVs that even compete in the category the G does. Range Rover, Wrangler, Land Cruiser and they are all over the place in comparison to each other. Nobody looking for a Mercedes is thinking of a Jeep or Toyota. Heck those two are slow as balls in comparison to a G550. Maybe the customer wants a Land Cruiser but they want some balls under the hood.

I saw the thread..read it.. but couldn't listen to the songs at work. Then I forgot when I wasn't at work.. I'll try and remember later!

I'm surprised nobody bit at all?!?! I LOVE these kinds of threads! Absolutely great choices! What does a used Ram SRT10 go for these days? I have to assume they held their value just because the Viper motor alone is worth a pretty penny. I guess I should have kept mine all red and/or black and I'd be fine with all of my choices being black. I'm not a huge red fan though.. Maybe..just maybe the Cobra could be red to stand out and be a little flashy but after looking at my choices again..they are red/black ...even the watch..lol

2014 G Wagon sold 3090 2015 G Wagon sold 3616 If that is your idea of HUGE DEMAND, I would hate to think what you think is profitable demand should be. The G Wagon by any other company would have been killed off as a retail auto with numbers like that. Now I admit, the web site I looked at could be wrong, but then I did not see G Wagon in the listing for numbers sold in the cheers and gears section, so did a quick search and came up with these numbers based on other auto sites. No matter how you look at it, it still looks like a failure. Then do you consider the Miata(2014 sales: 4745, 2015 sales: 8591), Panamera(2014: 5740, 2015: 4985), Jag F-Type(2014: 4112 2015: 4629) all to be failures? Especially the Miata, right? Development costs must make margins a hell of a lot tighter than a G Wagen. Miatas must be failures then... AXE THE MIATA! F-Types are so new the R&D cannot be paid for already. That too much be a failure especially because they start well under 100k. FAIL. Uh oh, Genesis Coupe has only sold 1514 units in 2014 and 1029 units in 2015. That vehicle must be a failure as well. Yup, I see no value in those auto's so would not bother with them. Failures too! Course your talking to an SUV guy who has little use for the sardine car market since EPA forced MPG which forced down sizing, which put them to be a coffin on wheels. So yes, I will stick with my big full size SUVs thank you and I still consider the G Wagon a failure along with the cars you mentioned. G-Wagon is a MAJOR FAILURE when I look at the pictures Drew posted of the Brand New one on the auto show floor with different screws, poor fit n finish. For the price, the buyers are taken to the cleaners for a sub par SUV. You really think the Miata is a failure?!?! (I thought this was my golden ticket to a good rebuttal - lol ) What sales credit a vehicle for not being a failure in your eyes?

From my perspective, if one can find better options for far less money but only buy the overpriced one because of the badge on the hood, that is the very definition of being a sheep. I understand.. but kind of disagree.. That would put Audi, BMW, MB, Bentley, Rolls... all out of business. Yes, nobody makes cars like Rolls does but "for the money" they are as overpriced as they come because you could buy an Impala and have it all customed to make it uber luxurious for waaaaaay less than the 250k+ or whatever it costs. There is an awkward medium in there.

Go to MB's website... 26 Colors. Half of the 26 are $6500 option but there are mixes of reds, blues, browns, greens on top of the whites->blacks. I made all of those plural because there are more than one of each "black" and "green". Check out the "black opal metallic". It says black but it looks very blue in the picture. I bet it's an awesome color in person.. as it should be for 6500 bucks.

OH NO you don't. Here 'we' only quote base MSRPs. G-wagon is a "$119K vehicle".i8 and R8 are sports cars and the Continental is no where NEAR the price of the g-wagon. Invalid. Just looked briefly at the g-wagon builder…. did everyone here know the 550 is only available in black, white or grey? Only 3 colors???? This is what I have been referring to- there's no choice! What're you talking about? I just looked and there are 13 choices of colors...Then 13 more premium colors to choose from. 26 paint choices.

I read somewhere today that they produce 56 Gs a day so you can do the math for yearly numbers.

2014 G Wagon sold 3090 2015 G Wagon sold 3616 If that is your idea of HUGE DEMAND, I would hate to think what you think is profitable demand should be. The G Wagon by any other company would have been killed off as a retail auto with numbers like that. Now I admit, the web site I looked at could be wrong, but then I did not see G Wagon in the listing for numbers sold in the cheers and gears section, so did a quick search and came up with these numbers based on other auto sites. No matter how you look at it, it still looks like a failure. Then do you consider the Miata(2014 sales: 4745, 2015 sales: 8591), Panamera(2014: 5740, 2015: 4985), Jag F-Type(2014: 4112 2015: 4629) all to be failures? Especially the Miata, right? Development costs must make margins a hell of a lot tighter than a G Wagen. Miatas must be failures then... AXE THE MIATA! F-Types are so new the R&D cannot be paid for already. That too much be a failure especially because they start well under 100k. FAIL. Uh oh, Genesis Coupe has only sold 1514 units in 2014 and 1029 units in 2015. That vehicle must be a failure as well.

See, that's actually why I am fine with it. It's still a raw OLD off road 4x4 dressed up for the Hollywoods of the world. They don't drive great, they don't stop or turn very well, terrible mpg but they're old school. Nothing else is like it other than a Wrangler, really. Yeah, it'd be cool if it got an all-new chassis but nobody wants it to look any different. Make it even more off-road worthy for those who won't even take a step in their own yard let alone take one of these in the mud. In your opinion, what would YOU change about the G?

I'd love me some G Wagen but that red and black on looks like trash. If money can be left over(as you did) Give me the A-Team Chevy Van and with the remaining 100k give me a: 03-04 Terminator(25k) ATS-V 65k Used Street Triple 675 6k The remaining 4k or so would go towards a used Rolex Datejust. It would look about like this. The face would have to be white or black and I want the diamonds at the hour markers.

No it's giving the customers who want a G...a G. They sell every one they make, they're hand made still.99.99% never touch 200mph in their exotics but it's something they need to do. People buying cars like this or a 458 aren't buying the car to DO what it can do. They're buying the capability to do it and frankly to say, " hey my car can do this." Personally, I don't understand the hatred towards the G because of how capable and tank-like that they are. They're a modern old school like the Toyota (I forgot the name of the one they're making a retro version of) that everybody freakin loves. If they got rid of it people would ask, "why can't we get a vehicle to do XXX?" So they just never stopped making it as opposed to most that make soemthing super awesome and get rid of it a few years later. Like the Chevy SS. Its the almost perfect enthusiast car, 6.2 Chevy V8, manual transmission, sedan(because as adults coupes just aren't practical) and it's leaving us already. I just hope I can score a used one in a few years. It's not so much the hatred of a severely outdated brick on wheels as exposing SMKs defense of said brick. Sorry, but if this were from GM or Ford, he would have a 180 degree opinion of this.Oh and all that is being done for $140K+ which is insane for an outdated brick, I don't care how advanced the four wheel drive is or what kind of history it is has. The only history I see is a brick with the same boxy design since 1972. Sorry, but it does nothing for me. But what else can do what it can do straight off of the show room floor? Range Rovers, Wranglers and there's about nothing in between. So for perspective buyers it's either a Rover or a G.After reading a bit prior to posting it appears the Land Cruiser can also handle its own off the beaten path. Not liking it's style is one thing, that's fine. Even though I find it ironic that people say X is bland and Y and bland and then there's something with some actual character and people dislike that too. It's a lose-lose. Bringing up the Land Cruiser brings up an even better point. It can do everything the G Wagon can do, on or off road, and can be had for less than half the price and it also has a V8.Sorry but the G Wagon is one of the biggest examples of bilking clueless sheep buyers when you consider the much better options out there for far less dough. That's relying on your past instead of moving into the future, especially when considering the make involved. The only other options in the luxury 4X4 world are the Land Cruiser and Range Rover though, right? They've updated the interior and driveline multiple times so it isn't like they are completely leaving it stagnant. just the exterior. The next most stagnant exterior out of any vehicle on the road is the Wrangler and people eat that up as well. People just love the unconventional-ness of the G(and Wrangler)

No it's giving the customers who want a G...a G. They sell every one they make, they're hand made still.99.99% never touch 200mph in their exotics but it's something they need to do. People buying cars like this or a 458 aren't buying the car to DO what it can do. They're buying the capability to do it and frankly to say, " hey my car can do this." Personally, I don't understand the hatred towards the G because of how capable and tank-like that they are. They're a modern old school like the Toyota (I forgot the name of the one they're making a retro version of) that everybody freakin loves. If they got rid of it people would ask, "why can't we get a vehicle to do XXX?" So they just never stopped making it as opposed to most that make soemthing super awesome and get rid of it a few years later. Like the Chevy SS. Its the almost perfect enthusiast car, 6.2 Chevy V8, manual transmission, sedan(because as adults coupes just aren't practical) and it's leaving us already. I just hope I can score a used one in a few years. It's not so much the hatred of a severely outdated brick on wheels as exposing SMKs defense of said brick. Sorry, but if this were from GM or Ford, he would have a 180 degree opinion of this.Oh and all that is being done for $140K+ which is insane for an outdated brick, I don't care how advanced the four wheel drive is or what kind of history it is has. The only history I see is a brick with the same boxy design since 1972. Sorry, but it does nothing for me. But what else can do what it can do straight off of the show room floor? Range Rovers, Wranglers and there's about nothing in between. So for perspective buyers it's either a Rover or a G. After reading a bit prior to posting it appears the Land Cruiser can also handle its own off the beaten path. Not liking it's style is one thing, that's fine. Even though I find it ironic that people say X is bland and Y and bland and then there's something with some actual character and people dislike that too. It's a lose-lose.

FRISKY!! Seems like I haven't seen much from you for awhile. Back at a GM dealership, eh? Mind if I ask which one?

Love it. Exactly how I would equip mine.