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"Tesla’s semi-autonomous AutoPilot technology will be standard on all Model 3s, as will a full-length glass roof, and a 15-inch center-mounted touch screen display, which functions as both the driver’s instrument panel and infotainment display with navigation, phone and media information." -
It isn't fully loaded at 37,500. Cloth seating. But, "Chevy Bolt hatchback pricing was announced at $37,500 back in January, though pricing could still fluctuate closer to the car’s winter launch. Standard features include a big 10.2-inch MyLink infotainment system with an EV-specific navigation function, 360-degree cameras, and Wi-Fi. Based on how Chevy positioned the Spark EV, there will likely be another higher-spec trim level priced in the low $40,000 range that will come with safety features like forward collision alert and blind spot assistance, as well as leather." http://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-model-3-vs-chevrolet-bolt-know-comparison/
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Oh good grief gorgeous. Again, overblown unless you want a car that might come out next year, or the year after, or the year after that, from a company with a limited sales network vs. an established brand that already has a physical car on its way that will end up being the same price or cheaper (given GMs pricing schemes). For most, this alleged savings will not be worth it for so little gain in range. So... you don't want the savings or the additional range..? That's fine I you don't and you can justify it however you would like but as of right now the claimed ranges(neither are EPA rated yet) are 200 miles and 215 miles, respectively. You're assuming a price point when it's been said it'll start at 37,500. Assuming it will be less is just hopeful and nothing more. You have nothing factual to support a lower price...
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The beauty about Tesla's buying system is that you order exactly what you want and don't order what you don't want. So if you really want your 35k Tesla, order it. If you want options, order them. It isn't like walking to a Chevy or Ford dealership or the best example would have been the sub 30k CLA that was never a real thing.
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You're right. Who would want a longer range? Oh good grief mister super cooler than anybody else in the entire planet. I only wits I could be half as cool as you but I can't because I'm just not.. I'm a grumpy internet guy who argues with any and everybody in every thread that I participate in. Of course people want longer ranges but here's the thing that you clearly don't get. At $35k(37,500), they are getting longer range than anything else in that price range by long shot. What is so hard to understand about that? Except the Model 3 and it's starting price is $2,500 cheaper. Allegedly and it will be out after the Bolt at this point. It also has a whole fifteen miles more range while being so "slippery". Like I said, it is overblown. Wouldn't it be nice to save $2,500 and have a longer range though?
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You're right. Who would want a longer range? Oh good grief drama queen. Of course people want longer ranges but here's the thing that you clearly don't get. At $35k(37,500), they are getting longer range than anything else in that price range by long shot. What is so hard to understand about that? Except the Model 3 and it's starting price is $2,500 cheaper.
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Efficiency is noticed daily. Every time you commute somewhere the vehicle's efficiency matters. Bolt looks terrible compared to the Tesla but better than the Prius, but that doesn't really matter as that isn't really the topic and it's opinion based anyway... If the 200 mile range Bolt could claim 220miles, wouldn't that be better? 0.08 isn't a "tiny" amount. If you keep the Bolt within city limits, it won't batter as your speeds will rarely see north of 40mph. Beyond that is where the benefits multiply for an efficient aero package on a vehicle. In thinking about this more, I bet Efficiency matters to about 25-35% of the population in an extreme manner and then another 25-35% will think about it but it will not be that big of an issue when they make a final decision on the auto they drive and the rest will not care at all. I fall into the last category, I do not care about efficiency as long as I get from point A to B comfortable and rested. If efficiency is there, BONUS. This comes from a guy that owns only full size SUVs with a suburban built out with a performance focused 402 V8 getting 9mpg loaded with people and pulling a trailer or empty just me driving.I love my space, comfort and high seating position. So Efficiency does not matter as to why I could care less about the .08 you are saying is so important. I found this story about trends and changes :http://www.strategyand.pwc.com/perspectives/2015-auto-trends Very interesting reading, I wish they covered the average CD of the auto industry as I think it is much higher than what is being discussed in this thread which would reinforce my feeling that only a small group really care about the CD numbers on an auto. Maybe I should clarify.. I don't expect any customer to look up the drag coefficient and buy or not buy based upon it. But They will look at the estimated range and if this same exact vehicle with the same batteries and motors was 5% more efficient..they would see (if the range was 200 miles) 210 mile range. 10 miles isn't a lot but it's reassurance in a world where EVs are 100% bought-into yet. I do, however, think a lot of these smaller vehicle EVs will be bought with efficiency in mind. I don't think they will quite be a status symbol kind of how the Prius is. Mostly because I just can't see people spending 35k for something this size unless it pays dividends in efficiency(I know there are tax credits but it's easiest to go off of msrp because each individual's tax credits will be different based on income and state).
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Who cares, in daily driving that little tiny bit does not make that big of a difference and the looks of the Bolt are way better than the Prius or Tesla IMHO. Efficiency is noticed daily. Every time you commute somewhere the vehicle's efficiency matters. Bolt looks terrible compared to the Tesla but better than the Prius, but that doesn't really matter as that isn't really the topic and it's opinion based anyway... If the 200 mile range Bolt could claim 220miles, wouldn't that be better? 0.08 isn't a "tiny" amount. If you keep the Bolt within city limits, it won't batter as your speeds will rarely see north of 40mph. Beyond that is where the benefits multiply for an efficient aero package on a vehicle. Sorry but this whole argument is overblown. 200 miles is still far more than any other EV is this price range. You're right. Who would want a longer range? The trip doesn't have to be long to play a factor in efficiency. Regardless as speeds increased drag takes a multiplication of energy to cut through the air. It would have just been nice if it didn't have to fight nature quite as much.
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Way better looking than the butt ugly i3 car from BMW. that is truly ugly just like the Prius. I take this bolt over the BMW i3 or the prius any day. The Prius' drag coefficient is only 0.24 though. Huge difference. Tesla Model X is also 0.24! Who cares, in daily driving that little tiny bit does not make that big of a difference and the looks of the Bolt are way better than the Prius or Tesla IMHO. Efficiency is noticed daily. Every time you commute somewhere the vehicle's efficiency matters. Bolt looks terrible compared to the Tesla but better than the Prius, but that doesn't really matter as that isn't really the topic and it's opinion based anyway... If the 200 mile range Bolt could claim 220miles, wouldn't that be better? 0.08 isn't a "tiny" amount. If you keep the Bolt within city limits, it won't batter as your speeds will rarely see north of 40mph. Beyond that is where the benefits multiply for an efficient aero package on a vehicle.
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Model 3 is 0.21! That's a slippery car!
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+1!2010 Ford Escape's is 0.29(Hybrid - but it was still quite the box compared to the '13+) The '13+ supposedly is 10% better but I can't find any numbers on it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile_drag_coefficient 2013+ Fusions are 0.275 Last gen Mazda6 was 0.27 1992 Camry sedan was 0.32 VW CC is 0.284 2011+ Dodge Durango is 0.33 2014+ Subaru Forester is 0.33 Every sedan nowadays is reaching and below a 0.32 drag coefficient.
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Way better looking than the butt ugly i3 car from BMW. that is truly ugly just like the Prius. I take this bolt over the BMW i3 or the prius any day. The Prius' drag coefficient is only 0.24 though. Huge difference. Tesla Model X is also 0.24!
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I think the sub-brand is strictly for brand identity and accounting. That way things can and will get written off and allocated differently. I don't see the issue with them doing this but unless something is coming out later this year I don't understand the "announcement".
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I also don't know how to vote as I'm a mixed back between compliment and rip-off.
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I think it is a slippery slope to try and enforce design cues as their own rights. What constitutes as ripping off a design cue if it isn't the exact slope/pitch/angles/lengths of the "original"? I see it as a rip off if it is on a vehicle made with plastics everywhere and just poorly executed and a compliment if it is done with class and isn't just a complete mimmick of the original. Like I think the Lincoln in general is more of a compliment to an elegant and simple design. I think the Celica's rear trunk lid screams plastic and therefore cheap.. but taking the relative style wasn't done poorly. Hummer vs Dongfeng.. As long as the Dongfeng is as badass off-road as the Hummer then I see it as a compliment. Land Wind is just a rip off, Geely Ge is also just a blatant rip off. The Kia seems more complimentary as they really only seemed to use the headlights. They did their own thing with the grill, much taller and rounder. Porsche and Nissan... well in that picture it seems more complimentary as well because the Nissan actually looks like the nicer car lol.
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I thought you were just trying to hammer home how absurd that comment was. Nope, My work computer no longer likes this site for whatever reason. I can't use the full editor for typing and I can't add links or pictures anymore. Well, I have to be in the "BBCode Mode" to make a link and even quote for whatever reason.
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Wow, Sorry for the near triple post.. internet must have been acting up because it never said it posted.. oh well now!
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It largely depends on curb weight and weight distribution. The GT350 weighs in around 3700 pounds. If the ZL1 weighs in at 3900-ish I'd say it's a legit comparo. Yes. Weight and weight distribution makes them competitors. Duh...
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It largely depends on curb weight and weight distribution. The GT350 weighs in around 3700 pounds. If the ZL1 weighs in at 3900-ish I'd say it's a legit comparo. Yes. Weight and weight distribution makes them competitors. Duh...
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Huh? The 1LE will start just above a loaded Shelby and annihilate it? I think you mean ZL1. And in that case, I'm more interested in seeing how that car and the Hellcat compare...a more direct competitor. But if you ask Bong he said the weights are similar or some crap so they have to compete.. *rolls eyes*
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45k for a 1LE. Doesn't sound terrible. I mean in my opinion, anything over 40k is an expensive car because 2 doors and limited capability doing anything other than $h!'n and get'n but should be a great performer for the money! And, thank you! Anything over $25K is expensive anymore. If you were born earlier it would be $20 and even $10K depending on the era.Very true. I honestly couldn't imagine spending north of 30k on a vehicle. Most of that is just the insane depreciation they take.
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45k for a 1LE. Doesn't sound terrible. I mean in my opinion, anything over 40k is an expensive car because 2 doors and limited capability doing anything other than $h!'n and get'n but should be a great performer for the money! And, thank you!
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It was a statement to the both of you. If you chose to, yet again, take it personally, that's your issue. But, yet again, think about everybody else who wants to discuss the cars or automotive world not the validity of one's opinion and be courteous to everybody else. You didn't just ask a question, you hounded him for it like you do everybody. Just agree to disagree that you both feel different about something.. because you two do on most topics anyway. Is there any rumors of what the 1LE package will cost yet?
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